Re: [backstage] Geotagging BBC news stories
On 7/21/05, Tony Hirst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk on 21 July 2005 at 21:52 + wrote: it seems you have the same motivation as I had when I mailed this list about RSS Annotation Streams! The whole idea sounds great. I have plans to expose some of the Mood News data but never thought of anything quite so detailed. How about an XML with the URL as GUID plus the data (rating, colour etc) ? Would it need a basic schema structure? Could lead to some very interesting client applications! Thanks, Davy -- Davy Mitchell http://www.latedecember.com - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html.
Re: [backstage] Geotagging BBC news stories
Is it against the TCs to provide an RSS file that is 99% the same as the one on the BBC but with geographical information added? On 21/07/05, Tony Hirst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk on 21 July 2005 at 21:52 + wrote: it seems you have the same motivation as I had when I mailed this list about RSS Annotation Streams! missed that - ah: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/msg00330.html and http://datamining.typepad.com/data_mining/2005/07/rss_annotation_.html I agree with the sentiment, and then some - if someone goes to the trouble of adding value to a story/feed, it would be good if those extras could be syndicated separately but identifiably too without others having to reinvent/reimplement the same technique/recreate the same annotation data. Perhaps this is format that we want to develop further? That sounds like an interesting (and perhaps useful) exercise...where to start? i tend to work back to generalised solutions from a couple of similar but different implementations of a thing...would it be fair to say that the annotation stream on its own would be relatively worthless without the original story it was annotating? or could you imageine it ever standing alone on its own terms? Back to the geotagged BBC stories, even something as simple as returning lat/long when passed a story ID would be v reusable... For example: http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/prototypes/archives/2005/05/a_map_of_the_ne.html http://boneill.ninjagrapefruit.com/wp-content/bbc/newmaps/ divines geo data and Duncan's http://backstage.min-data.co.uk/geotagged/ must have a script for locating stories So if someone can make story id/geotag info available, then I'm sure the lazy community (of which I count myself a part) would be v grateful :-) tony - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. -- Ben O'Neill [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html.
Re: [backstage] Geotagging BBC news stories
I think the separation of the original data from the annotation is attractive. Yes, the annotation would be almost meaningless without the original data, but it would save the annotation owner from republishing the original content and any considerations of legality, etc. In addition, it would drive traffic to the source of the original content (always a good thing). There are (at least) two possible approaches: a query approach (give me your annotation for this guid) and a syndicated approach. The syndicated approach is less of a resource strain as the provider just has to deliver something very similar to rss, they don't have to have a query service running, just a document server (web server). In terms of developing the idea, we could certainly start with getting feedback in this forum and even have some implementations provide a service (Davy?). But I'd also like to hear any advice about how we can rapidly formalize this and get the idea out there along with a proposal for an api/document format. If only we had that wiki we were all so excited about up and running... As the format is simple (guid mapping to some bundle of information), I guess we are thinking of something like: .. annotationStream feedURL= bbc feed that is being annotated annotationURI=http://www.latedecember.com/newsMood.xml;. annotation guid=... !-- put your annotation here-- /annotation ...more of above... /annotationStream Note that the stream points to both the rss feed and the annotation information (which ought to describe the syntax and semantics of the element at !--put your annotation here--) Davy, if you put a file up like this, I could easily integrate it into my data sphere thing and put up some screen shots - we could claim that constitutes the first implementation! Matt http://datamining.typepad.com On 7/22/05, Davy Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 7/21/05, Tony Hirst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk on 21 July 2005 at 21:52 + wrote: it seems you have the same motivation as I had when I mailed this list about RSS Annotation Streams! The whole idea sounds great. I have plans to expose some of the Mood News data but never thought of anything quite so detailed. How about an XML with the URL as GUID plus the data (rating, colour etc) ? Would it need a basic schema structure? Could lead to some very interesting client applications! Thanks, Davy -- Davy Mitchell http://www.latedecember.com - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html.
RE: [backstage] Geotagging BBC news stories
This sounds like it could be built on top of one of a social bookmarking sites. Then you could post your (geo)tags of BBC News stories to your social bookmarks account using the site's API...and others could use the same API to interrogate the site for the tags that have been associated with a particular BBC News story by asking for all the tags associated with the story's URL. It doesn't look like this would be possible using del.ico.us because it's API http://del.icio.us/doc/api does not enable you to request all the tags/extended descriptions used for a particular URL. However perhaps one of the open source implementations e.g. http://de.lirio.us/ or http://sourceforge.net/projects/scuttle/ could be modified to enable this? Joel -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matthew Hurst Sent: 22 July 2005 10:09 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Geotagging BBC news stories I think the separation of the original data from the annotation is attractive. Yes, the annotation would be almost meaningless without the original data, but it would save the annotation owner from republishing the original content and any considerations of legality, etc. In addition, it would drive traffic to the source of the original content (always a good thing). There are (at least) two possible approaches: a query approach (give me your annotation for this guid) and a syndicated approach. The syndicated approach is less of a resource strain as the provider just has to deliver something very similar to rss, they don't have to have a query service running, just a document server (web server). In terms of developing the idea, we could certainly start with getting feedback in this forum and even have some implementations provide a service (Davy?). But I'd also like to hear any advice about how we can rapidly formalize this and get the idea out there along with a proposal for an api/document format. If only we had that wiki we were all so excited about up and running... As the format is simple (guid mapping to some bundle of information), I guess we are thinking of something like: .. annotationStream feedURL= bbc feed that is being annotated annotationURI=http://www.latedecember.com/newsMood.xml;. annotation guid=... !-- put your annotation here-- /annotation ...more of above... /annotationStream Note that the stream points to both the rss feed and the annotation information (which ought to describe the syntax and semantics of the element at !--put your annotation here--) Davy, if you put a file up like this, I could easily integrate it into my data sphere thing and put up some screen shots - we could claim that constitutes the first implementation! Matt http://datamining.typepad.com On 7/22/05, Davy Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 7/21/05, Tony Hirst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk on 21 July 2005 at 21:52 + wrote: it seems you have the same motivation as I had when I mailed this list about RSS Annotation Streams! The whole idea sounds great. I have plans to expose some of the Mood News data but never thought of anything quite so detailed. How about an XML with the URL as GUID plus the data (rating, colour etc) ? Would it need a basic schema structure? Could lead to some very interesting client applications! Thanks, Davy -- Davy Mitchell http://www.latedecember.com - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html.
RE: [backstage] backstage.bbc.co.uk Open Tech 2005
Hey all, Because what I offer to the list is mostly blethering, and the occasional bit of being motherly for no reason... If anyone is coming down to Open Tech and needs somewhere to stay in london, I can offer sofabed (or floor) space in my 'luxurious' geeky house in Clapham. Not ideal if you have a cat allergy, but marvellous if you like Gin and Wifi. Drop me a line off-list if you need crash space? I'm trusting you not to be an insane axe-murderer, obviously... That is all! Kim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gavin Joyce Sent: 20 July 2005 18:45 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] backstage.bbc.co.uk Open Tech 2005 Hi, Can anyone recommend a good hotel in London? I am traveling over on Saturday morning for the conference and returning Sunday afternoon, but have not been in London for many years. Thanks, Gavin www.groupsms.co.uk On 24/06/05, Ben Metcalfe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ben Metcalfe Subject: [backstage] backstage.bbc.co.uk Open Tech 2005 there's a couple of fantastic speakers about to be announced too, so hope you can all come. I can finally announce that Jeremy Zawodny of the Yahoo! Developer Network will be speaking at the backstage.bbc.co.uk Open Tech conference. I know that many of you are remixing the Yahoo! Developer Network API's into your backstage and non-backstage projects, so this will be excellent opportunity to find out more about what Yahoo! are up to these days, and hopefully meet Jeremy in person. Hope you can also come. Don't forget you can find out more about the event over at http://www.ukuug.org/events/opentech2005/ Ben Metcalfe :: backstage.bbc.co.uk - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. http://www.bbc.co.uk/ This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically stated. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system. Do not use, copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in reliance on it and notify the sender immediately. Please note that the BBC monitors e-mails sent or received. Further communication will signify your consent to this. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html.
[backstage] Re: ticker works fine!
Excellent. http://www.webcoding.co.uk/backstage-v0.3.zip It now includes a configuration xml file where you can specify as many feeds as you wish to load. You can also include the delay time for items and feeds, application width, height, alwaysontop mode, to have window borders or not. There are also options for color settings, static information string -- preferences.xml example -- ?xml version=1.0 encoding=utf-8? preferences always-on-toptrue/always-on-top show-frame-borderfalse/show-frame-border !-- IF 0 then the application will determine its on width and hegiht -- app-width1024/app-width app-height50/app-height !-- 0 then all items are used -- maximum-items-per-feed2/maximum-items-per-feed !-- In milliseconds -- pause-between-item8000/pause-between-item pause-between-feed5000/pause-between-feed background-color r=153 g=0 b=0/ information - Backstage RSS Ticker v0.3 by [EMAIL PROTECTED], supported by backstage.bbc.co.uk/information feeds feedhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/rss/newsonline_world_edition/front_page/rss.xml/feed feedhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/headlines.rss/feed /feeds /preferences Paul Veltman wrote: Hi James Just downloaded your News ticker - ( XP, Firefox 1.0.5, Java(TM) 2 Platform Standard Edition binary, File version: 5.0.20.9 / JRE 1.4.2_08) (sorry, I'm a newbie) Works beautifully. Can position it anywhere (but extends out beyond the right margin). Nice work. Must have a look at the source code, and see how this magic works. Cheers Paul Veltman - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html.
Re: [backstage] Geotagging BBC news stories
(reposting) I think the volume of data that is potentially in this would not be suitable for a social bookmarking system. Imagine geocoding every news article in every news rss feed out there (say 10, 000 feeds). As for the redistribution of the rss content, the separation has one huge benefit. It means that a consumer could pick multiple annotation streams for a single rss feed. For example, I could listen t obbc rss, a geotagging stream and a mood stream and put them together (that is precisely what I want to do!). If the geotagger included geotagging and the rss but not the mood, and similarly the mood stream had the rss data, mood but not geo data, I would still have to do the alignment of differnet data. By making the separation part of the specificatoin, the whole thing is a lot cleaner and extensible - it all boils down to correct usage of guid. I'm still for something like the original file format I suggested earlier. Simplicity is very attractive in this type of endevour. Matt On 7/22/05, Joel Chippindale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This sounds like it could be built on top of one of a social bookmarking sites. Then you could post your (geo)tags of BBC News stories to your social bookmarks account using the site's API...and others could use the same API to interrogate the site for the tags that have been associated with a particular BBC News story by asking for all the tags associated with the story's URL. It doesn't look like this would be possible using del.ico.us because it's API http://del.icio.us/doc/api does not enable you to request all the tags/extended descriptions used for a particular URL. However perhaps one of the open source implementations e.g. http://de.lirio.us/ or http://sourceforge.net/projects/scuttle/ could be modified to enable this? Joel -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matthew Hurst Sent: 22 July 2005 10:09 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Geotagging BBC news stories I think the separation of the original data from the annotation is attractive. Yes, the annotation would be almost meaningless without the original data, but it would save the annotation owner from republishing the original content and any considerations of legality, etc. In addition, it would drive traffic to the source of the original content (always a good thing). There are (at least) two possible approaches: a query approach (give me your annotation for this guid) and a syndicated approach. The syndicated approach is less of a resource strain as the provider just has to deliver something very similar to rss, they don't have to have a query service running, just a document server (web server). In terms of developing the idea, we could certainly start with getting feedback in this forum and even have some implementations provide a service (Davy?). But I'd also like to hear any advice about how we can rapidly formalize this and get the idea out there along with a proposal for an api/document format. If only we had that wiki we were all so excited about up and running... As the format is simple (guid mapping to some bundle of information), I guess we are thinking of something like: .. annotationStream feedURL= bbc feed that is being annotated annotationURI=http://www.latedecember.com/newsMood.xml;. annotation guid=... !-- put your annotation here-- /annotation ...more of above... /annotationStream Note that the stream points to both the rss feed and the annotation information (which ought to describe the syntax and semantics of the element at !--put your annotation here--) Davy, if you put a file up like this, I could easily integrate it into my data sphere thing and put up some screen shots - we could claim that constitutes the first implementation! Matt http://datamining.typepad.com On 7/22/05, Davy Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 7/21/05, Tony Hirst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk on 21 July 2005 at 21:52 + wrote: it seems you have the same motivation as I had when I mailed this list about RSS Annotation Streams! The whole idea sounds great. I have plans to expose some of the Mood News data but never thought of anything quite so detailed. How about an XML with the URL as GUID plus the data (rating, colour etc) ? Would it need a basic schema structure? Could lead to some very interesting client applications! Thanks, Davy -- Davy Mitchell http://www.latedecember.com - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit
[backstage] 3D?
Hey People, Has anyone seen any good 3D scenes done in CSS/DHTML? I'm thinking up a news visualisation (with a very abstract/arty direction) trying to use client side technologies but no plugins and minimum image files (if any). I am very sleepy. Sorry if this doesn't make sense. Thanks Bye. Davy Mitchell http://www.latedecember.com - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html.
Re: [backstage] Geotagging BBC news stories
This is great. I will get something together asap. Thanks! Matt On 7/22/05, Davy Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 7/22/05, Matthew Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm still for something like the original file format I suggested earlier. Simplicity is very attractive in this type of endevour. :-) http://www.latedecember.com/sites/moodnews/moodnewsanno.xml Its one big xml of all the feeds as I don't store the feed URL in the db (yet!). Should be enough for a demo... Email me if you need anything changed etc. Interesting stuff!! Mood News development trundles on with a mix of back end and client stuff being added. It has been slowed by me hunting for the perfect Python IDE. A new version next week perhaps? Thanks, Davy Mitchell http://www.latedecember.com - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html.
Re: [backstage] Geotagging BBC news stories
More thoughts: the annotation spec should include information about when the rss feed was crawled and also when the annotation stream was created. I have some data now (both your annotation and some rss files with matching guids) saved to disc, I'll post the results sometime this weekend. MattH On 7/22/05, Matthew Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is great. I will get something together asap. Thanks! Matt On 7/22/05, Davy Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 7/22/05, Matthew Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm still for something like the original file format I suggested earlier. Simplicity is very attractive in this type of endevour. :-) http://www.latedecember.com/sites/moodnews/moodnewsanno.xml Its one big xml of all the feeds as I don't store the feed URL in the db (yet!). Should be enough for a demo... Email me if you need anything changed etc. Interesting stuff!! Mood News development trundles on with a mix of back end and client stuff being added. It has been slowed by me hunting for the perfect Python IDE. A new version next week perhaps? Thanks, Davy Mitchell http://www.latedecember.com - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html.
