Re: [backstage] First BBC Backstage Podcast: DRM and the BBC
Greetings, Interesting discussion - primarily useful for the we don't have the rights arguments that haven't been effectively aired until now. The reason for using DRM has often been stated thus: * We need to prevent our users from re-distributing content that we feed them. However, it now appears clear that the real reason is thus: * We have to be seen to be trying to do something to prevent our users re-distributing content. Given that no DRM scheme has _ever_ met the goal of preventing users re-distributing content, would it not be better for the BBC, consumers and pretty much everyone (except perhaps MS) in the long-run if the BBC simply denounced DRM as the snake-oil it is and refuse to deploy it? Indeed, this seems particularly pointless when I can simply point my desk antenna at the Crystal Palace transmitter and record the 20Mbaud H.264 1080p stream being broadcast in clear. Cheers, David -- David McBride [EMAIL PROTECTED] Department of Computing, Imperial College, London - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] First BBC Backstage Podcast: DRM and the BBC
On 14/02/07, David McBride [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Indeed, this seems particularly pointless when I can simply point my desk antenna at the Crystal Palace transmitter and record the 20Mbaud H.264 1080p stream being broadcast in clear. This is the kind of thing I think the BBC should be telling rights holders :-) -- Regards, Dave - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] First BBC Backstage Podcast: DRM and the BBC
Indeed, this seems particularly pointless when I can simply point my desk antenna at the Crystal Palace transmitter and record the 20Mbaud H.264 1080p stream being broadcast in clear. This is the kind of thing I think the BBC should be telling rights holders :-) http://strange.corante.com/archives/2006/05/17/xtech_2006_tom_loosemore_treating_digital_broadcast_as_just_another_api_and_other_such_ruminations.php - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] First BBC Backstage Podcast: DRM and the BBC
Indeed, this seems particularly pointless when I can simply point my desk antenna at the Crystal Palace transmitter and record the 20Mbaud H.264 1080p stream being broadcast in clear. This is the kind of thing I think the BBC should be telling rights holders :-) Perhaps we could get some of these superannuated lovvies to perform in some form of drama serial - something on Radio 4 first and then have Alan Yentob doing something lovvie about DRM on BBC one. All we would need then is an In Out Time on Digital Rights Management! Anyway, Ofcom have published 'A new approach to public service content in the digital media age': http://www.ofcom.org.uk/media/news/2007/01/nr_20070124a http://www.ofcom.org.uk/consult/condocs/pspnewapproach/ Brian Butterworth www.ukfree.tv Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.441 / Virus Database: 268.17.39/685 - Release Date: 13/02/2007 22:01 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] University Tour dates
Hi All, Thought I'd you might all be interested in some confirmed dates for the Backstage University tour. Manchester Metropolitan - 5th March Newcastle - 12-13th March Northumbria - 14th March Ravensbourne, Kent - 15th March Hull Scarborough - 16th March (maybe) The idea is during the day to be on the university campus and during the evening/night have a social event near by. We are hoping to partner with a local social event instead of doing our own exclusive one if possible. For example, we're talking to the Geekup guys for Manchester. Any ideas would be very useful, otherwise we look forward to seeing more of you guys in person. Cheers, Ian Forrester || backstage.bbc.co.uk || cubicgarden.com || geekdinner.co.uk - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] First BBC Backstage Podcast: DRM and the BBC
Hi Tom! On 14/02/07, Tom Loosemore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Indeed, this seems particularly pointless when I can simply point my desk antenna at the Crystal Palace transmitter and record the 20Mbaud H.264 1080p stream being broadcast in clear. This is the kind of thing I think the BBC should be telling rights holders :-) http://strange.corante.com/archives/2006/05/17/xtech_2006_tom_loosemore_treating_digital_broadcast_as_just_another_api_and_other_such_ruminations.php *Very* interesting - thanks for linking this up. Do you mean to imply that rightsholders have been approached with tales of Was fantastic, but had to limit it to a couple of hundred people within the BBC. Was a bit too popular for their own good and they turned it down? -- Regards, Dave - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] First BBC Backstage Podcast: DRM and the BBC
On 14/02/07, Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Tom! On 14/02/07, Tom Loosemore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Indeed, this seems particularly pointless when I can simply point my desk antenna at the Crystal Palace transmitter and record the 20Mbaud H.264 1080p stream being broadcast in clear. This is the kind of thing I think the BBC should be telling rights holders :-) http://strange.corante.com/archives/2006/05/17/xtech_2006_tom_loosemore_treating_digital_broadcast_as_just_another_api_and_other_such_ruminations.php *Very* interesting - thanks for linking this up. Do you mean to imply that rightsholders have been approached with tales of Was fantastic, but had to limit it to a couple of hundred people within the BBC. Was a bit too popular for their own good and they turned it down? not *exactly*... the 'it was too popular for its own good' refers to various local radio stations having their bandwidth soaked up due to people downloading stuff... not good for business, that... haveever, i demo'd it to many people over the past couple of years, from BBC Governors/Directors down, that if I get such a 100% broadcast-powered automatic system knocked together for Not Much Cash, then (almost) anyone can it ran for the first few weeks from a greenhouse in someone's back garden near Ascot. getting this built was fun too... http://gigaom.com/2005/08/16/bbc-builds-a-monster-tivo/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Does Wikipedia have a cash crisis? Could this be Another h2g2 moment?
At 12:30 + 13/2/07, J.P.Knight wrote: On Mon, 12 Feb 2007, Tom Loosemore wrote: we had a good long look at ways of working together, but sadly we don't own our own bandwidth following the sale of BBC Technology to Siemans a couple of years ago. Does the BBC actually own _anything_ these days? :-) :-) :-) BBC Worldwide: a wholly owned subsidiary company of the corporation. Gordo -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] platform-agnostic approach to the iPlayer
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/factual/desertislanddiscs.shtml Why no podcast? Gordo Estate of Roy Plumley owns the rights to the format, and isn't keen on on demand... - Yes, we know. Gordo -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] platform-agnostic approach to the iPlayer
On 09/02/07, Tom Loosemore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: if you want the BBC to move on from being a broadcaster (which it looks to me like you do!), then engage in the wider political debate about media policy. I'm sorry, not being an industry insider nor experienced politically, I don't really know what wider political debate about media policy is, or how to engage it, other than posting to lists like this to learn things for myself, and submitting my views to the Trust questionaire and such. The BBC is meant to do what 'the industry' doesn't, though. Otherwise, what's the point? Not true. The BBC is not there to do whatever the industry doesn't do. Never has been. Okay, my bad. What's the point, then? Well, the point of the BBC is that, by informing, educating and entertaining everyone in the UK, the population of the UK gains both individually and collectively to an extent greater than the BBC's negative market impact This is a nice argument against BBC DRM, I think :-D -- Regards, Dave - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] First BBC Backstage Podcast: DRM and the BBC
On Wednesday 14 February 2007 16:56, Tom Loosemore wrote: http://strange.corante.com/archives/2006/05/17/xtech_2006_tom_loosemore_tre ating_digital_broadcast_as_just_another_api_and_other_such_ruminations.php The link to Kamaelia Macro at the end of that post is broken, it should be: * http://kamaelia.sourceforge.net/KamaeliaMacro The code (since its just timeshifting) is here: http://svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/kamaelia/trunk/Code/Python/Kamaelia/Examples/DVB_Systems/Macro.py?revision=2257view=markup Michael - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
