[backstage] Flash required?
Flash required? anyone care to suggest why this is in flash? http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/bsp/hi/live_stats/html/map.stm seems unhelpful at best. cheers Jonathan Chetwynd - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Flash required?
On 04/03/07, Jonathan Chetwynd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: anyone care to suggest why this is in flash? So they can do animation when you hover over individual continents. Also does animation for the slide out thing when clicking a story (note: clicking on the story that's already being shown should make the slide out thing slide back again). Most of that could have been achieved via standard CSS and images. It's probably because the BBC rewrites accessibility guidelines to avoid having to actually comply with the industry standard one. There policy is written based on what they are doing currently, not what is actually meant to be done! Andy (note: I would much prefer the use of Java on the BBC website instead of RealPlayer and Flash, at least Sun let people see there code to rule out Trojan back doors and let other people develop JVMs) - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Flash required?
Jonathan Chetwynd wrote: Flash required? anyone care to suggest why this is in flash? http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/bsp/hi/live_stats/html/map.stm seems unhelpful at best. Well Jonathan you can always click on the accessible link on the page http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/hi/live_stats/html/lowbycountry.stm I actually like the animation and the graphics as i feel it adds value to the information. Adam - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Flash required?
At 21:10 + 4/3/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: note: I would much prefer the use of Java on the BBC website instead of RealPlayer and Flash, at least Sun let people see there code to rule out Trojan back doors and let other people develop JVMs I don't think a lot of users would though, Java is clunky and slow from what I have seen. You always know when it's loading, because all the machines I've been on freeze for about a second whilst it kicks in, unlike the relative seamlessness with the Real/Flash plugins. I quite like the stat-o-meter they have made on the BBC News website, and the animations add a nice touch to it. How do the guts it work though? Switch to Ruby on Rails and AJAX over and above Java? Gordo -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Flash required?
On 04/03/07, Gordon Joly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Switch to Ruby on Rails and AJAX over and above Java? Ruby is server side, unless I am mistaken. Thus would not need to be installed locally, so a good thing there. Javascript (needed for AJAX) is implemented differently across browser. not even sure the XMLHTTPRequest function, or whatever it is called, is standardised or if websites just pray all vendors implemented it the same way. As for Flash being faster than Java and your system freezing when loading java. Where the systems mutli-platform or did you just try Windows? An OS is supposed to allow multiple processes to run concurrently, if something hangs then either part of your program was written badly, e.g. the browser is waiting for Java to complete start up at the expense of rendering, or the OS kernel Scheduler is not doing it's job. While it is waiting for the disc to fetch jvm it should be running the other programs. Flash may be running at startup, some programs do that. It makes them look quick but you lose out in memory. And once your machine resorts to Virtual Memory your machine will crawl. I suggested Java over HTML/CSS/Javascript as Java is more versatile. Java will also run on many more platforms than Flash. You can even get embedded versions of Java. Java is a more full featured language than javascript, or I might just not know Javascript well enough. And of course security wise Flash is a no go area. If you can't see what code is doing to your machine better assume its doing something bad to it. Of course I could run flash in a VM but the overhead just to run the BBC webpage would be completely unacceptable, even with kernel level acceleration (I don't have native support for VM on my CPU, unless I upgrade). Again the BBC is taking a one-vendor approach when there are multi-vendor multi-platform alternatives. Who is responsible for these decisions? Are they actually qualified or did they pull somebody in off the street (wouldn't be the first time the BBC did that either). Andy - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] Question.
http://www.frankieroberto.com/weblog/ Could the BBC's Creative Archive project switch to Creative Commons licences? Gordo -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Question.
Believe not so due to licensing / royalty agreements, hence their Creative Archive license instead. Could be wrong, but that's from memory so ymmv. It makes sense to me, don't fix what's not broken etc. -Original Message- From: Gordon Joly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 March 2007 23:21 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] Question. http://www.frankieroberto.com/weblog/ Could the BBC's Creative Archive project switch to Creative Commons licences? Gordo -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
