[backstage] TV Anytime Data
Hi, The TV Anytime data for today only appears to have tv information for BBC World Service, BBC Radio 1 BBC Radio2. The file is only 163k, whilst the file is normally 825k. Could you investigate. http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/feeds/tvradio/ http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/feeds/tvradio/20070620.tar.gz Thanks Adam - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] Re: Google Map Symbols Key
Ed, have difficulty believing your reply: would a printed map that uses a single icon for 'town' with a gazetteer of locations and additional information be as usable? The current Google idiom is but one possibility, some user testing of other well tried methods might be helpful. could you test a sliding scale of symbol vocabulary so that the user could select their breadth of symbol usage, and visually guage their competence? on a similar theme I have asked TV Raman and Chris Dibona to consider the benefits of ranking search results using readability scores. to discuss: how does an originator or author introduce a new value myNewToYouSymbol? this evidently requires negotiation as the user may or may not wish to know about and learn this symbol. this was described as the red bus, green bus issue during the ccf conference some years ago. implementation of the concept coding framework would enable the users application to display symbols known to the user. in your example of places of worship, the slider could have 4 values: marker only, generic worship symbols, common religious symbols, author values. regards Jonathan Chetwynd On 19 Jun 2007, at 09:36, Ed Parsons wrote: Hi Jonathan, Yes the point I was making is that given a web map is interactive you don't need as many symbols to represent features for which you have additional information or are classified. So for example rather than having different symbols representing the type of place or worship, church, temple, mosque etc. a single symbol on icon could be used and the additional information made available by clicking on it and getting an info bubble, or playing some audio or showing a picture etc... Happy to discuss .. ed On 19 Jun 2007, at 07:28, ~:'' ありがとうございました。 wrote: Ed, such an extensive collection of symbols will not be needed. could you expand on this as your meaning isn't clear? currently Google relies on individuals creating symbols for their own mashups which might seem to create more libraries rather than a few standard ones. I work with people who use symbols to communicate rather than text. People with low literacy or learning disabilities. Have you come across the concept coding framework which was specifically created to consider the issue that different communities use different symbols. That is to label a resource or location in this instance with a concept, the user's application then applies a symbol. There are difficulties, which if your are interested we could discuss further... regards Jonathan Chetwynd On 18 Jun 2007, at 09:16, Ed Parsons wrote: Hi Jonathan, Ok now I understand, yes you are right google supports only a limited number of pin icons, but then map symbology is a rather cultural phenomena so what is familer to a user in the England brought up on OS mapping will appear alien to a resident of Zurich brought up using the excellent maps of Swiss Topo. Over time perhaps a standard form of representation may develop for web mapping, but as by their nature such maps are dynamic and can display information as the user interacts with them perhaps such an extensive collection of symbols will not be needed. You are of course free to create you own symbols and share them with the community. ed On 18 Jun 2007, at 08:07, ~:'' ありがとうございました。 wrote: Ed, Icons, but where is the key? what icons are standard for google maps? OS maps provide a key for churches, post offices and much more... much of this information is static over decades. markers or drawing pins provide a very limited common vocabulary. regards Jonathan Chetwynd http://labs.google.com/ridefinder/images/ is forbidden On 13 Jun 2007, at 12:13, Ed Parsons wrote: Hi Jonathan, Do you mean icons ? http://www.google.com/apis/maps/documentation/ #Creating_Icons ed On 13 Jun 2007, at 10:59, ~:'' ありがとうございました。 wrote: Re: Google Map Symbols Key an interactive version with improved graphics is now available: http://www.peepo.co.uk/temp/moulin/moulin.svg using CSS only ~: cheers Jonathan Chetwynd On 12 Jun 2007, at 15:42, ~:'' ありがとうございまし た。 wrote: Google Map Symbols Key how is it possible to add symbols to google maps? in addition to the current drawing-pin or text-bubbles. my hack demo: http://www.peepo.co.uk/temp/moulin/moulin.svg valuable prize for adding location and text. Example keys: Ordinance Survey: http://tinyurl.com/3axdny streetmap: http://www.streetmap.co.uk/mapkey.htm cheers ~: Jonathan Chetwynd Jonathan Chetwynd Accessibility Consultant on Learning Disabilities and the Internet 29 Crimsworth Road SW8 4RJ 020 7978 1764 http://www.eas-i.co.uk Ed Parsons [EMAIL PROTECTED] Geospatial Technologist Google UK Belgrave House 76 Buckingham Palace Road London SW1W 9TQ Mobile: +44 (0) 7825 382263 Direct: +44 (0) 20 7881 4629 It's better to be a pirate than to join the Navy. Ed Parsons
Re: [backstage] TV Anytime Data
Thanks Adam, Rogue cron processes caused chaos - now fixed. Andrew BBC Research On Wed, Jun 20, 2007 at 08:03:29AM +0100, Adam Leach wrote: Hi, The TV Anytime data for today only appears to have tv information for BBC World Service, BBC Radio 1 BBC Radio2. The file is only 163k, whilst the file is normally 825k. Could you investigate. http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/feeds/tvradio/ http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/feeds/tvradio/20070620.tar.gz Thanks Adam - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] Re: Google Map Symbols Key
Ed, massive abstractions of reality are immensely helpful, most especially when they are held in common. They are normally used as words, though in some instances symbols may obtain ~: ease of learning them should be greatly enhanced given the interactive and photo illustration available. regarding Concept Coding Framework: http://dewey.computing.dundee.ac.uk/andy/?q=node/43 People with Learning Disabilities may rely on symbols for communication. Jonathan Chetwynd Accessibility Consultant on Learning Disabilities and the Internet 29 Crimsworth Road SW8 4RJ 020 7978 1764 http://www.eas-i.co.uk On 20 Jun 2007, at 09:14, Ed Parsons wrote: Jonathan, What is so unbelievable? the key point is that we are not talking about the printed map paradigm anymore, where you were restricted to a massive abstraction of reality to allow communication using a single static symbol. I like the idea of a range of symbology, which could work in the same way we have scale dependent symbols now.. as you zoom-in more symbols appear - but this could be a preference for a single scale.. I need to understand more on the concept coding framework where would be a good place to start ? ed On 20 Jun 2007, at 09:06, ~:'' ありがとうございました。 wrote: Ed, have difficulty believing your reply: would a printed map that uses a single icon for 'town' with a gazetteer of locations and additional information be as usable? The current Google idiom is but one possibility, some user testing of other well tried methods might be helpful. could you test a sliding scale of symbol vocabulary so that the user could select their breadth of symbol usage, and visually guage their competence? on a similar theme I have asked TV Raman and Chris Dibona to consider the benefits of ranking search results using readability scores. to discuss: how does an originator or author introduce a new value myNewToYouSymbol? this evidently requires negotiation as the user may or may not wish to know about and learn this symbol. this was described as the red bus, green bus issue during the ccf conference some years ago. implementation of the concept coding framework would enable the users application to display symbols known to the user. in your example of places of worship, the slider could have 4 values: marker only, generic worship symbols, common religious symbols, author values. regards Jonathan Chetwynd On 19 Jun 2007, at 09:36, Ed Parsons wrote: Hi Jonathan, Yes the point I was making is that given a web map is interactive you don't need as many symbols to represent features for which you have additional information or are classified. So for example rather than having different symbols representing the type of place or worship, church, temple, mosque etc. a single symbol on icon could be used and the additional information made available by clicking on it and getting an info bubble, or playing some audio or showing a picture etc... Happy to discuss .. ed On 19 Jun 2007, at 07:28, ~:'' ありがとうございました。 wrote: Ed, such an extensive collection of symbols will not be needed. could you expand on this as your meaning isn't clear? currently Google relies on individuals creating symbols for their own mashups which might seem to create more libraries rather than a few standard ones. I work with people who use symbols to communicate rather than text. People with low literacy or learning disabilities. Have you come across the concept coding framework which was specifically created to consider the issue that different communities use different symbols. That is to label a resource or location in this instance with a concept, the user's application then applies a symbol. There are difficulties, which if your are interested we could discuss further... regards Jonathan Chetwynd On 18 Jun 2007, at 09:16, Ed Parsons wrote: Hi Jonathan, Ok now I understand, yes you are right google supports only a limited number of pin icons, but then map symbology is a rather cultural phenomena so what is familer to a user in the England brought up on OS mapping will appear alien to a resident of Zurich brought up using the excellent maps of Swiss Topo. Over time perhaps a standard form of representation may develop for web mapping, but as by their nature such maps are dynamic and can display information as the user interacts with them perhaps such an extensive collection of symbols will not be needed. You are of course free to create you own symbols and share them with the community. ed On 18 Jun 2007, at 08:07, ~:'' ありがとうございました。 wrote: Ed, Icons, but where is the key? what icons are standard for google maps? OS maps provide a key for churches, post offices and much more... much of this information is static over decades. markers or drawing pins provide a very limited common vocabulary. regards Jonathan Chetwynd
Re: [backstage] www.FreeTheBBC.info
On 19/06/07, Andy Leighton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jun 19, 2007 at 07:31:03PM +0100, vijay chopra wrote: On 19/06/07, David Greaves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: vijay chopra wrote: On 19/06/07, *David Woodhouse* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: legal ways. The only thing I have downloaded unlawfully is an out of print RPG book, that I would be happy to pay for, if only I could find someone selling it! If the book is ever republished (or if I see it second hand etc.), I'll buy it, however it's unusual for companies who write RPGs to republish old editions; they like being able to charge their player base over and over, so keep changing the rules. What RPG is it for? What book? A lot of the old stuff is being republished as PDFs. -- Andy Leighton = [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Lord is my shepherd, but we still lost the sheep dog trials - Robert Rankin, _They Came And Ate Us_ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ It's Vampire the Masquerade (and a bunch of source books), if you know where I can buy it, mail me off-list as this is now totally off topic. Thanks, Vijay.
