RE: [backstage] RSS feeds query
For images and such like, see http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediabank/ which provides images and stuff for use on your own website. (Terms and conditions apply.) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Iain Emsley Sent: 20 August 2007 19:59 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] RSS feeds query It was mainly programme data that I was after and any news/publicity stuff that the BBC has on the show (such as renewals and so on). I realise its a slightly different case that say Dr Who which you own so have a richer feed for. Also (runs for cover with tin helmet) any links to watch it again type thing in the feed (again if these exist). Also is there an image repository or a department to contact to get images/logos to use o a page (with the obvious mention of any pages not being official and copyright notices). I'm just having a play with a few things to get a feel for a small project that I want to run on my own site. Thanks for the other link, Carlos, I'll hook up to the feed tomorrow. More episode information would be good though. Ian, I'll probably have a better idea once I know what's on offer and what I can do with it. Iain - Original Message From: Michael Smethurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Sent: Monday, 20 August, 2007 3:53:44 PM Subject: Re: [backstage] RSS feeds query For programmes... Soon And atom and, hopefully, rdf Any more? On 20/8/07 15:38, Jason Cartwright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hahahaha. You do know that a very large proportion of pages from bbc.co.uk (rather than news.bbc.co.uk) are published by hand, right? J On 20/8/07 15:30, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about a generic RSS feed for every BBC page that is published? On 20/08/07, Carlos Roman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is always the Heroes Radio Show podcast http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/bbc7/heroes/rss.xml http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/bbc7/heroes/rss.xml http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/bbc7/heroes/rss.xml Not much info about each episode in the feed though. -C. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of Ian Forrester Sent: 20 August 2007 14:16 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] RSS feeds query I'm not sure but I'll pass it on. What kind of information were you hoping for? Ian Forrester This e-mail is: [ x ] private; [ ] ask first; [ ] bloggable Senior Producer, BBC Backstage BC5 C3, Media Village, 201 Wood Lane, London W12 7TP e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] p: +44 (0)2080083965 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of Iain Emsley Sent: 20 August 2007 09:44 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] RSS feeds query A quick query. Will the BBC be producing any feeds for the Heroes website at all or BBC Three? Since the demise of the cult site, I'm trying to get the various bits of information together in RSS form as a bit of an experiment. Thanks, Iain
Re: [backstage] Tags du jour
Nice... about time too.. I did those on my site about 18 months ago On 20/08/07, Gordon Joly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a story about the BBC News Online website. I read this story: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/6954728.stm I saw that I had been invited to Digg it (and Facebook it etc) Bookmark with: * Delicious * Digg * reddit * Facebook * StumbleUpon So, I did. Well, as least as far as http://del.icio.us/gordo And I thought the tags were very precise: # recommended tags BBC news # » sort: alphabetically | by frequency your tags # your network # popular tags Camel australia camels animals sex YMMV, Gordo -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Please email me back if you need any more help. Brian Butterworth www.ukfree.tv
Re: [backstage] RSS feeds query
On 21/08/07, Andrew Bowden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For images and such like, see http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediabank/ which provides images and stuff for use on your own website. (Terms and conditions apply.) It's not kept very up to date though... -- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Iain Emsley *Sent:* 20 August 2007 19:59 *To:* backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk *Subject:* Re: [backstage] RSS feeds query It was mainly programme data that I was after and any news/publicity stuff that the BBC has on the show (such as renewals and so on). I realise its a slightly different case that say Dr Who which you own so have a richer feed for. Also (runs for cover with tin helmet) any links to watch it again type thing in the feed (again if these exist). Also is there an image repository or a department to contact to get images/logos to use o a page (with the obvious mention of any pages not being official and copyright notices). I'm just having a play with a few things to get a feel for a small project that I want to run on my own site. Thanks for the other link, Carlos, I'll hook up to the feed tomorrow. More episode information would be good though. Ian, I'll probably have a better idea once I know what's on offer and what I can do with it. Iain - Original Message From: Michael Smethurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Sent: Monday, 20 August, 2007 3:53:44 PM Subject: Re: [backstage] RSS feeds query For programmes... Soon And atom and, hopefully, rdf Any more? On 20/8/07 15:38, Jason Cartwright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hahahaha. You do know that a very large proportion of pages from bbc.co.uk (rather than news.bbc.co.uk) are published by hand, right? J On 20/8/07 15:30, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about a generic RSS feed for every BBC page that is published? On 20/08/07, *Carlos Roman* [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is always the Heroes Radio Show podcast http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/bbc7/heroes/rss.xml http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/bbc7/heroes/rss.xmlhttp://downloads.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/bbc7/heroes/rss.xml Not much info about each episode in the feed though. -C. -- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] *On Behalf Of *Ian Forrester *Sent:* 20 August 2007 14:16 *To:* backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk *Subject:* RE: [backstage] RSS feeds query I'm not sure but I'll pass it on. What kind of information were you hoping for? Ian Forrester This e-mail is: [ x ] private; [ ] ask first; [ ] bloggable Senior Producer, BBC Backstage BC5 C3, Media Village, 201 Wood Lane, London W12 7TP e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] p: +44 (0)2080083965 -- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] *On Behalf Of *Iain Emsley *Sent:* 20 August 2007 09:44 *To:* backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk *Subject:* [backstage] RSS feeds query A quick query. Will the BBC be producing any feeds for the Heroes website at all or BBC Three? Since the demise of the cult site, I'm trying to get the various bits of information together in RSS form as a bit of an experiment. Thanks, Iain www.yatterings.com http://www.yatterings.com/http://www.yatterings.com/ -- Yahoo! Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Try it now http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTEydmViNG02BF9TAzIxMTQ3MTcxOTAEc2VjA21haWwEc2xrA3RhZ2xpbmUhttp://uk.answers.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTEydmViNG02BF9TAzIxMTQ3MTcxOTAEc2VjA21haWwEc2xrA3RhZ2xpbmU. -- For ideas on reducing your carbon footprint visit Yahoo! For Goodhttp://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/forgood/environment.htmlthis month. -- Please email me back if you need any more help. Brian Butterworth www.ukfree.tv
[backstage] DAB Radio - channel icons // BBC Radio website icons
Hi, Auntie's changing her radio channel icons on the website, but whilst they all seem to have leaked onto Wikipedea (with very dubious quality), I was wondering when the icons are going to change for DAB Radio and the .ICO files on the website (as used by IE, Google et al). As I have had to disable the WAP services on my Lobster 700TV, I can only assume that the icons that appear (two forms, square and rectangular) are transmitted as part of the WAP datastream.. who is responsible for their updates? And the likes of the bbc.co.uk/radio1/radio1.ico file is still the old logo, whilst the page itself is updated. While we are at it, the dynamic background on the Radio 1 site has a radio 1 logo option which is still the old version too. I know it's a bit off topic, but it's a bit inconsistent! Brian Butterworth
Re: [backstage] PVR Fragmentation
On 20/08/07, Dogsbody [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With all the recording, deleting, pause functionality today's PVRs have, and the large volume of data I'd imagine its shifting around, doesn't the hard disk get really fragmented? Does the software deal with this, or does it not bother because streaming the content off the disk even when its fragmented not a very intensive task? FWIW, TiVo uses a different and specifically designed filesystem that has very large data blocks (compared to a home computer). This means that programs are written across relatively few data blocks (a 30 min program uses around 4 blocks) and fragmentation isn't really an issue as it is with home machines. Also, if you use Vista's Media Center it doesn't defrag blocks over 64MB. If you have a Vista drive you use exclusivly for TV, you can increase the NTFS block size when you format the drive. Dan - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Please email me back if you need any more help. Brian Butterworth www.ukfree.tv
RE: [backstage] DAB Radio - channel icons // BBC Radio website icons
Hi Brian, As you'll understand, rolling out logos is a massive job across all platforms, sites etc. It becomes even more of a challenge when you have to do 10 radio networks at once ;-) We've got a dedicated team who are rolling out the logos across the web - there are different teams for Digital TV etc. I've passed your comments onto the team, but I'm sure this is on their list, they just haven't got there yet! Simon Cross Senior Client Side (Web) Developer BBC Future Media and Technology - Audio Music [EMAIL PROTECTED] x50849 | 07967 444 304 Rm 718, Henry Wood House, London W1A 1AA From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Butterworth Sent: 21 August 2007 09:57 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] DAB Radio - channel icons // BBC Radio website icons Hi, Auntie's changing her radio channel icons on the website, but whilst they all seem to have leaked onto Wikipedea (with very dubious quality), I was wondering when the icons are going to change for DAB Radio and the .ICO files on the website (as used by IE, Google et al). As I have had to disable the WAP services on my Lobster 700TV, I can only assume that the icons that appear (two forms, square and rectangular) are transmitted as part of the WAP datastream.. who is responsible for their updates? And the likes of the bbc.co.uk/radio1/radio1.ico file is still the old logo, whilst the page itself is updated. While we are at it, the dynamic background on the Radio 1 site has a radio 1 logo option which is still the old version too. I know it's a bit off topic, but it's a bit inconsistent! Brian Butterworth
Re: [backstage] Inside the BBC News site
Good question - let me speak to the news guys - it may be worth doing a podcast about it's history and how it works. I do know however that it's a bespoke system build specifically for BBC News - which has a very unique set of requirements - it's grown over several versions over the last five years or so and it's a BIG beast that has journalists using it cursing and praising it in equal amounts! I don't think it's a bit of software you could download and play with. m On 20/8/07 18:44, Gary Kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am very interested in how news.bbc.co.uk runs, in terms of it's backend and design. I assume it is a bespoke site designed and adapted internally for the needs of the Beeb. Is there anyone I could talk to - I'd like explanations (eg of what the URL constructions mean, as they don't seem to be date-based). Is there any way the software running the site could be made available to download? I'm sure many would love to experiment :) Regards ___ Matthew Cashmore Development Producer BBC Future Media Technology, Research and Innovation BC5C3, Broadcast Centre, Media Village, W12 7TP T:020 8008 3959(02 83959) M:07711 913241(072 83959) - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] data streaming into video
Um, We've taught SMIL in previous years and are moving a way from it for several reasons. While the language itself is actually quite nice at the abstract level, but tool support is most charitably described as patchy, more accurately as awful. The major problem we ran into was that of negotiating the minefield of file formats and media types, as well as dealing with proprietary extensions (realText anyone?) that didn't port well. What worked on RealPlayer would reguarly barf on QuickTime and vice versa. Of course, some of this was because we were doing the work offline and not in a full streaming environment (lots of reasons, mostly configuration and cost), where some of the file problems were less vexing. I still think it's a shame because it is quite a nice language and it's still useful because it is, as far as I'm still aware, still the major basis for MMS. === Darren Stephens MBCS CITP School of Arts and New Media University of Hull Scarborough Campus www : http://www.hull.ac.uk/ email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] tel : +44 1723 357360 === -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dogsbody Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 6:09 PM To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] data streaming into video what do you think? i'm not much up on these things apart from what i read here, so if it's already done/unworkable/crazy/annoying then apologies! Check out SMIL a fantastically underused mark up language that allows you to create layers of video/images/text. And supported by most of the standard media players. Just my 0.02 GBP Dan - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ * To view the terms under which this email is distributed, please go to http://www.hull.ac.uk/legal/email_disclaimer.html *
RE: [backstage] RSS feeds query
we're currently in the process of speccing out the data feeds out of programme support we've got definite plans for rss and atom and possibly json and maybe rdf (if our servers can take the strain) would be interested to know any details of the stuff you'd like to see... the more use cases the better cheers michael -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Iain Emsley Sent: Mon 8/20/2007 7:59 PM To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] RSS feeds query It was mainly programme data that I was after and any news/publicity stuff that the BBC has on the show (such as renewals and so on). I realise its a slightly different case that say Dr Who which you own so have a richer feed for. Also (runs for cover with tin helmet) any links to watch it again type thing in the feed (again if these exist). Also is there an image repository or a department to contact to get images/logos to use o a page (with the obvious mention of any pages not being official and copyright notices). I'm just having a play with a few things to get a feel for a small project that I want to run on my own site. Thanks for the other link, Carlos, I'll hook up to the feed tomorrow. More episode information would be good though. Ian, I'll probably have a better idea once I know what's on offer and what I can do with it. Iain - Original Message From: Michael Smethurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Sent: Monday, 20 August, 2007 3:53:44 PM Subject: Re: [backstage] RSS feeds query Re: [backstage] RSS feeds query For programmes... Soon And atom and, hopefully, rdf Any more? On 20/8/07 15:38, Jason Cartwright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hahahaha. You do know that a very large proportion of pages from bbc.co.uk (rather than news.bbc.co.uk) are published by hand, right? J On 20/8/07 15:30, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about a generic RSS feed for every BBC page that is published? On 20/08/07, Carlos Roman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is always the Heroes Radio Show podcast http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/bbc7/heroes/rss.xml http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/bbc7/heroes/rss.xml Not much info about each episode in the feed though. -C. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of Ian Forrester Sent: 20 August 2007 14:16 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] RSS feeds query I'm not sure but I'll pass it on. What kind of information were you hoping for? Ian Forrester This e-mail is: [ x ] private; [ ] ask first; [ ] bloggable Senior Producer, BBC Backstage BC5 C3, Media Village, 201 Wood Lane, London W12 7TP e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] p: +44 (0)2080083965 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of Iain Emsley Sent: 20 August 2007 09:44 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] RSS feeds query A quick query. Will the BBC be producing any feeds for the Heroes website at all or BBC Three? Since the demise of the cult site, I'm trying to get the various bits of information together in RSS form as a bit of an experiment. Thanks, Iain www.yatterings.com http://www.yatterings.com/ Yahoo! Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Try it now http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTEydmViNG02BF9TAzIxMTQ3MTcxOTAEc2VjA21haWwEc2xrA3RhZ2xpbmU . ___ Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try it now. http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/ winmail.dat
Re: [backstage] Tags du jour
For any PHP people out there, here's a function I wrote to do these bookmark
things...
(The icons are at http://www.ukfree.tv/styles/images/bookmark_icon/ )
?php
// Social bookmark code...
function showsocialbookmarks($strTitle)
{
$strPrev=brBookmarknbsp;with:nbsp;;
$strStyle=background-repeat: no-repeat; padding-left: 18px;;
$strThisURLnc= http://; . $_SERVER['SERVER_NAME'] .
$_SERVER['REQUEST_URI'];
$strThisURI=rawurlencode ($strThisURLnc);
$strTitle=rawurlencode($strTitle);
$arrSocials=array(
array(icon=DEL, name=del.icio.us, URL=
http://del.icio.us/post?v=4;url=$strThisURI;title=$strTitle;),
array(icon=RI, name=reddit, URL=
http://reddit.com/submit?url=$strThisURIamp;title=$strTitle;),
array(icon=FB, name=facebook,URL=
http://www.facebook.com/sharer.php?u=$strThisURI;),
array(icon=SU, name=stumbleupon, URL=
http://www.stumbleupon.com/submit?url=$strThisURIamp;title=$strTitle;),
array(icon=G,name=Google, URL=
http://www.google.com/bookmarks/mark?op=editamp;bkmk=$strThisURIamp;title=$strTitle
),
array(icon=T,name=Technorati, URL=
http://technorati.com/faves?add=$strThisURI;)
);
foreach ($arrSocials as $arrThis)
{
echo $strPreva style=\background-image:
url('styles/images/bookmark_icon/ICO_ . $arrThis[icon] . .png');
$strStyle\ href=\ . $arrThis[URL] . \ target=\bookmarks\ .
$arrThis[name] . /a;
$strPrev= | ;
}
}
?
On 20/08/07, Gordon Joly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This is a story about the BBC News Online website.
I read this story:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/6954728.stm
I saw that I had been invited to Digg it (and Facebook it etc)
Bookmark with:
* Delicious
* Digg
* reddit
* Facebook
* StumbleUpon
So, I did. Well, as least as far as http://del.icio.us/gordo
And I thought the tags were very precise:
#
recommended tags
BBC news
# » sort: alphabetically | by frequency
your tags
#
your network
#
popular tags
Camel australia camels animals sex
YMMV,
Gordo
--
Think Feynman/
http://pobox.com/~gordo/
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Re: [backstage] Tags du jour
No slashdot it?
http://it.slashdot.org/faq/tags.shtml#tags300
Soon we're going to have more social bookmarking icons than actual
content...
Vijay
On 21/08/07, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
For any PHP people out there, here's a function I wrote to do these
bookmark things...
(The icons are at http://www.ukfree.tv/styles/images/bookmark_icon/ )
?php
// Social bookmark code...
function showsocialbookmarks($strTitle)
{
$strPrev=brBookmarknbsp;with:nbsp;;
$strStyle=background-repeat: no-repeat; padding-left: 18px;;
$strThisURLnc= http://; . $_SERVER['SERVER_NAME'] .
$_SERVER['REQUEST_URI'];
$strThisURI=rawurlencode ($strThisURLnc);
$strTitle=rawurlencode($strTitle);
$arrSocials=array(
array(icon=DEL, name=del.icio.us,
URL=http://del.icio.us/post?v=4;url=$strThisURI;title=$strTitle
),
array(icon=RI, name=reddit,
URL=http://reddit.com/submit?url=$strThisURIamp;title=$strTitlehttp://reddit.com/submit?url=$strThisURItitle=$strTitle
),
array(icon=FB, name=facebook,
URL=http://www.facebook.com/sharer.php?u=$strThisURI
),
array(icon=SU, name=stumbleupon,
URL=http://www.stumbleupon.com/submit?url=$strThisURIamp;title=$strTitlehttp://www.stumbleupon.com/submit?url=$strThisURItitle=$strTitle
),
array(icon=G,name=Google,
URL=http://www.google.com/bookmarks/mark?op=editamp;bkmk=$strThisURIamp;title=$strTitlehttp://www.google.com/bookmarks/mark?op=editbkmk=$strThisURItitle=$strTitle
),
array(icon=T,name=Technorati, URL=
http://technorati.com/faves?add=$strThisURI;)
);
foreach ($arrSocials as $arrThis)
{
echo $strPreva style=\background-image:
url('styles/images/bookmark_icon/ICO_ . $arrThis[icon] . .png');
$strStyle\ href=\ . $arrThis[URL] . \ target=\bookmarks\ .
$arrThis[name] . /a;
$strPrev= | ;
}
}
?
On 20/08/07, Gordon Joly [EMAIL
PROTECTED]https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cmtf=0[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
This is a story about the BBC News Online website.
I read this story:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/6954728.stm
I saw that I had been invited to Digg it (and Facebook it etc)
Bookmark with:
* Delicious
* Digg
* reddit
* Facebook
* StumbleUpon
So, I did. Well, as least as far as http://del.icio.us/gordo
And I thought the tags were very precise:
#
recommended tags
BBC news
# » sort: alphabetically | by frequency
your tags
#
your network
#
popular tags
Camel australia camels animals sex
YMMV,
Gordo
--
Think Feynman/
http://pobox.com/~gordo/ http://pobox.com/%7Egordo/
[EMAIL PROTECTED]///
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Re: [backstage] Russia forces World Service off FM radio
Hope Podcasts of the content have been started to circumvent this :-) -- Davy Mitchell Blog - http://www.latedecember.co.uk/sites/personal/davy/ Twitter - http://twitter.com/daftspaniel Skype - daftspaniel needgod.com - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
