Re: [backstage] Interesting iPlayer news
On 16/10/2007, Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 16/10/2007, Steve Jolly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dave Crossland wrote: Sadly the GNU/Linux support mentioned is nothing of the sort, since it will require Adobe's proprietary Flash player. Depends - gnash now (allegedly, I haven't tried it) has the functionality to support YouTube. No idea what version of Flash the BBC are going to require though, or what codecs are going to be used. Good point .. it might be Flash, but it's still a DRM + MPEG4! And we all know how unbreakable DRMs are. Gnash has played YouTube for a couple of months now. A friend pointed out http://www.beet.tv/2007/08/exclusive-adobe.html which suggests DRM is coming to Flash. -- Regards, Dave - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Please email me back if you need any more help. Brian Butterworth www.ukfree.tv
Re: [backstage] Wii News Channel
Davy Mitchell wrote: Anyone tried the DS Browser? Was considering it but the fact it loses cookies when powered off makes me wary :-) Yes - it's a nice little tool, elegantly implemented. It has the potential to be a really nice platform for little mobile applications - I think that a suite of web-based productivity apps for the DS implementation of Opera would be a great way to legitimise using a DS in business meetings... ;-) S - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Interesting iPlayer news
Steve Jolly wrote: http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2007/10_october/16/adobe.shtml And an even more interesting follow-up: http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/130766/bbc-told-iplayer-must-be-multiplatform.html S - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Wii News Channel
On 16/10/2007, Dan Brickley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Barry Carlyon wrote: I had heard that one of the student radio stations was building a flash player for their radio stream for the wii….. FWIW Flash works in Opera on the wii, http://www.opera.com/products/devices/nintendo/ Dan Proof of this is being able to watch YouTube on a 50 inch TV... Yes, I have done it, and for some random reason, YouTube videos load faster on my Wii than my PC. And there are already a bunch of Wii friendly sites out there, from WiiCade for games to Finetune's wii portal for free music from your Wii. A bbc.co.uk/wii would be great, but probably goes against the charter unless you name it bbc.co.uk/consoles or something ;-). Vijay.
Re: [backstage] Wii News Channel
On 17/10/2007, Steve Jolly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Davy Mitchell wrote: Anyone tried the DS Browser? Was considering it but the fact it loses cookies when powered off makes me wary :-) Yes - it's a nice little tool, elegantly implemented. It has the potential to be a really nice platform for little mobile applications - I think that a suite of web-based productivity apps for the DS implementation of Opera would be a great way to legitimise using a DS in business meetings... ;-) S Whilst I also like the DS Browser, the way to get away with having a DS in meetings is DSOrganise: http://www.dragonminded.com/?loc=ndsdev/DSOrganize loaded onto a DS One: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_DS_storage_devices#SuperCard_DS_ONE . And that's just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to DS apps: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_DS_homebrew#Applications ;-) Vijay.
Re: [backstage] Interesting iPlayer news
On 17/10/2007, Steve Jolly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steve Jolly wrote: http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2007/10_october/16/adobe.shtml And an even more interesting follow-up: http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/130766/bbc-told-iplayer-must-be-multiplatform.html That's hardly news? It was in the BBC Trust iPlayer approval document. http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/assets/files/pdf/consult/decisions/on_demand/decision.txt (Section 3.8) April 2007 S - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Please email me back if you need any more help. Brian Butterworth www.ukfree.tv
Re: [backstage] Wii News Channel
On 17/10/2007, vijay chopra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 16/10/2007, Dan Brickley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Barry Carlyon wrote: I had heard that one of the student radio stations was building a flash player for their radio stream for the wii….. FWIW Flash works in Opera on the wii, http://www.opera.com/products/devices/nintendo/ Dan Proof of this is being able to watch YouTube on a 50 inch TV... Yes, I have done it, and for some random reason, YouTube videos load faster on my Wii than my PC. And there are already a bunch of Wii friendly sites out there, from WiiCade for games to Finetune's wii portal for free music from your Wii. A bbc.co.uk/wii would be great, but probably goes against the charter unless you name it bbc.co.uk/consoles or something ;-). I want Apple to team up with Nintendo, then we could have the iWii... Vijay. -- Please email me back if you need any more help. Brian Butterworth www.ukfree.tv
RE: [backstage] Wii News Channel
Hi, I work over in AMi and I'm a big fan of the Wii and other entertainment platforms. I am currently working on a Wii template for BBC content and hope to later develop for the DS, PSP and PS3. It appears as if Flash is the way to go with Opera for Devices in mind. It would be great to look into developing a specific channel for BBC content, however I am unsure if they've opened it up... yet. There is a Wii developer kit on the cards... I am unsure of a confirmed release date. Having the ability to watch full screen flash video content on your TV through the Wii is a very attractive prospect, as well as developing games that support our current output (e.g. TV Radio) - ultising the 'wiimote' (or Wii Remote) in flash game form would be fantastic. Here are some useful links I have found in my research (the design guide looks very useful): Some Information on the Wii's Internet Channel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Channel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Channel An interview with a top exec from Opera talking about Opera 'for devices' on Nintendo Wii http://wii.ign.com/articles/709/709705p1.html http://wii.ign.com/articles/709/709705p1.html Things to do with the Wii browser http://nintendo.about.com/od/industrynews/a/thingstodowithw.htm http://nintendo.about.com/od/industrynews/a/thingstodowithw.htm Design guide for Wii http://wiinintendo.net/2006/11/30/web-design-guide-for-opera-browser-on- wii/ http://wiinintendo.net/2006/11/30/web-design-guide-for-opera-browser-on -wii/ Standards support for Opera on Wii http://www.opera.com/docs/specs/?platform=wii http://www.opera.com/docs/specs/?platform=wii Wii 'Friendly Websites' http://www.viewii.com/ http://www.viewii.com/ http://www.livefreeordiehard.com/boxing_pc.html http://www.livefreeordiehard.com/boxing_pc.html WiiToob http://www.wiitoob.com/ http://www.wiitoob.com/ : Watch YouTube videos in high-quality resolution with your Nintendo Wii. If anyone is interested in collaborating on ideas, please let me know ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). Tom From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of vijay chopra Sent: 17 October 2007 12:42 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Wii News Channel On 16/10/2007, Dan Brickley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Barry Carlyon wrote: I had heard that one of the student radio stations was building a flash player for their radio stream for the wii. FWIW Flash works in Opera on the wii, http://www.opera.com/products/devices/nintendo/ Dan Proof of this is being able to watch YouTube on a 50 inch TV... Yes, I have done it, and for some random reason, YouTube videos load faster on my Wii than my PC. And there are already a bunch of Wii friendly sites out there, from WiiCade for games to Finetune's wii portal for free music from your Wii. A bbc.co.uk/wii would be great, but probably goes against the charter unless you name it bbc.co.uk/consoles or something ;-). Vijay.
Re: [backstage] Interesting iPlayer news
The Open Rights Group commented on this yesterday. http://www.openrightsgroup.org/2007/10/16/bbc-u-turn-full-iplayer-service-may-never-be-available-to-mac-and-linux-users/ Heres the text, if you want the in line links you will need to get them from the above link. Yesterday, the BBC announced that a cross-platform “streamed” version of its on-demand service the iPlayer would be available by the end of the year. According to this report from BBC News Online: “At the end of the year users of Windows, Mac or Linux machines will be able to watch streamed versions of their favourite TV programmes inside a web browser, as well as share the video with friends and embed programmes on their own websites, sites such as Facebook and blogs.” If the idea sounds vaguely familiar, that’s because back in March, when the BBC Trust put the iPlayer out for consultation, the Open Rights Group gently suggested that streaming was a far better short term solution to on-demand services than DRM-restricted market-distorting technologies that would serve to widen the digital divide. We observed that: “Such an approach is cheaper, lower risk, more inclusive (it works for example in libraries) and more flexible than the current BBC proposal. It may not appeal to consultants looking to make huge profits at public expense however, precisely because it is simple, clean and low-risk. “It does not, of itself, address the desire for users to obtain content in DRM-free downloadable form for any platform, but it provides a basis until the BBC is able to identify more open solutions for the download of content, preferably ones which do not depend upon DRM… The Open Rights Group considers it is quite possible that, as already is clearly happening in the music world, the use of DRM will soon be abandoned by the market itself.” You can read our full submission to the BBC Trust here. But enough of the I-told-you-so-s. Is yesterday’s move good news for licence fee payers who do not use Windows? Well, not really. Although they will now be given online access to content their licence fee has helped pay for, there are still fundamental inequities between users on different platforms, and this still leaves the BBC deforming the market in favour of Microsoft DRM and Windows. People on Macs, Linux, PDAs and other handheld devices are still losing out on all the features that make the downloadable iPlayer different from, say, the kind of streaming that the BBC has done for years with the RadioPlayer. And that’s not all. Ashley Highfield, director of Future Media and Technology at the BBC has now indicated that the full, downloadable iPlayer may never be made available to those who do not use the latest versions of Windows. When the iPlayer launched in June, Highfield was quoted as saying: “I am fundamentally committed to universality, to getting the BBC iPlayer to everyone in the UK who pays their licence fee.” But yesterday, he admitted: “We need to look long and hard at whether we build a download service for Mac and Linux. It comes down to cost per person and reach at the end of the day.” The BBC could avoid all this mess if it eschewed DRM and instead employed standard formats. The Open Rights Group believes that the BBC cannot be truly public service in the 21st century until it gives the British public access to the programmes that they have paid for without DRM or restriction. This is not a technology problem, but cuts to the heart of what the BBC is for and how it makes and commissions programming. ORG challenges the BBC and the BBC Trust to re-examine the BBC’s commissioning and rights frameworks with the goal of creating public service content, owned by the public and available to all. Update: The BBC Trust have hit back at the Future Media and Technology team, reiterating their condition that the entire service must be platform neutral and adding “we would expect BBC management to come back to us if they are planning any changes to iPlayer.” Read the full report here. Don't let your dream ride pass you by. Make it a reality with Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/index.html
Re: [backstage] Interesting iPlayer news
Glyn, You have to ask the question about using Flash to distribute iPlayer content what is providing the DRM? Answer - it's the flash player The idea of not having a download service for Linux/Mac operating systems is baseless - there is no reason that the DRM'ed flashed content could not be distributed using a Torrent. Once again, it's hot air from Mr Highfield. There is little wonder the BBC is in the mess it is in .. it is living a lie! On 17/10/2007, Glyn Wintle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Open Rights Group commented on this yesterday. http://www.openrightsgroup.org/2007/10/16/bbc-u-turn-full-iplayer-service-may-never-be-available-to-mac-and-linux-users/ Heres the text, if you want the in line links you will need to get them from the above link. Yesterday, the BBC announced that a cross-platform streamed version of its on-demand service the iPlayer would be available by the end of the year. According to this report from BBC News Online: At the end of the year users of Windows, Mac or Linux machines will be able to watch streamed versions of their favourite TV programmes inside a web browser, as well as share the video with friends and embed programmes on their own websites, sites such as Facebook and blogs. If the idea sounds vaguely familiar, that's because back in March, when the BBC Trust put the iPlayer out for consultation, the Open Rights Group gently suggested that streaming was a far better short term solution to on-demand services than DRM-restricted market-distorting technologies that would serve to widen the digital divide. We observed that: Such an approach is cheaper, lower risk, more inclusive (it works for example in libraries) and more flexible than the current BBC proposal. It may not appeal to consultants looking to make huge profits at public expense however, precisely because it is simple, clean and low-risk. It does not, of itself, address the desire for users to obtain content in DRM-free downloadable form for any platform, but it provides a basis until the BBC is able to identify more open solutions for the download of content, preferably ones which do not depend upon DRM… The Open Rights Group considers it is quite possible that, as already is clearly happening in the music world, the use of DRM will soon be abandoned by the market itself. You can read our full submission to the BBC Trust here. But enough of the I-told-you-so-s. Is yesterday's move good news for licence fee payers who do not use Windows? Well, not really. Although they will now be given online access to content their licence fee has helped pay for, there are still fundamental inequities between users on different platforms, and this still leaves the BBC deforming the market in favour of Microsoft DRM and Windows. People on Macs, Linux, PDAs and other handheld devices are still losing out on all the features that make the downloadable iPlayer different from, say, the kind of streaming that the BBC has done for years with the RadioPlayer. And that's not all. Ashley Highfield, director of Future Media and Technology at the BBC has now indicated that the full, downloadable iPlayer may never be made available to those who do not use the latest versions of Windows. When the iPlayer launched in June, Highfield was quoted as saying: I am fundamentally committed to universality, to getting the BBC iPlayer to everyone in the UK who pays their licence fee. But yesterday, he admitted: We need to look long and hard at whether we build a download service for Mac and Linux. It comes down to cost per person and reach at the end of the day. The BBC could avoid all this mess if it eschewed DRM and instead employed standard formats. The Open Rights Group believes that the BBC cannot be truly public service in the 21st century until it gives the British public access to the programmes that they have paid for without DRM or restriction. This is not a technology problem, but cuts to the heart of what the BBC is for and how it makes and commissions programming. ORG challenges the BBC and the BBC Trust to re-examine the BBC's commissioning and rights frameworks with the goal of creating public service content, owned by the public and available to all. Update: The BBC Trust have hit back at the Future Media and Technology team, reiterating their condition that the entire service must be platform neutral and adding we would expect BBC management to come back to us if they are planning any changes to iPlayer. Read the full report here. -- Tonight's top picks. What will you watch tonight? Preview the hottest showshttp://us.rd.yahoo.com/tv/mail/tagline/tonightspicks/evt=48220/*http://tv.yahoo.com/+%0Aon Yahoo! TV. -- Please email me back if you need any more help. Brian Butterworth www.ukfree.tv
Re: [backstage] Interesting iPlayer news
On 17/10/2007, Glyn Wintle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The BBC could avoid all this mess if it eschewed DRM and instead employed standard formats. The problems of DRM and Cross Platform are entirely separate concepts. Evidently the BBC has hoodwinked you. Ah large media companies trying to con the public, why does this seam like a bad dream? Implementing DRM at the OS (here I really mean lower level OS, i.e. the kernel, or wherever else you put the proper access control stuff) layer on an untrusted machine is pointless, the user has hardware access and can drop down to that level. If you are going to allow them to go under your DRM protection, why not place it at the application layer? (most if not all DRM schemes do this, note that simply being shipped with the OS doesn't place an application in the OS layer security wise). So OS layer DRM is absolutely useless, now you have a 3 choices (4 if you count no DRM): 1. Implement DRM at the Hardware Layer, using tamper-proof hardware (has it's own problem hinged on key distribution, or getting trusted data to the hardware). 2. Accept it's going to be insecure and implement at the Application layer. 3. define an open standard (based on otgher standards, HTTP, XML TV-Anytime etc.) and let implementers worry about it. Selecting option one means the BBC will have to have a conversation with the likes of Intel, AMD and hardware manufactures, who will no doubt laugh them out of the office. It would them have to wait years for the old hardware to be replaced (or you could produce an external add on, but production of these would be tricky, who gets to produce it, without interfering in the market. If anyone can produce it have you compromised security be releasing decoding keys, etc.) Option 2 can (and does) work irrespective of Operating System. (by work I mean is implementable, it may also may attacks harder but in no way offers what a security expert would consider secure). Option 3 certainly works, it's worked for HTTP, Email and numerous other technologies (too many to mention) The BBC have never answered why they simple did not use a standard that would reach all platforms. It can be done. Why does the BBC pay OUR money to join standards committees (W3C, ETSI) if they are not going to use the standards produced? (Easier, Faster, Cheaper, Compliant with regulators, I see no downside, unless you work for Microsoft (or know someone who works there)) This is not a technology problem Cross Platform development was a technology problem, it's been fixed in many different ways. Unfortunately the BBC is either too incompetent or too corrupt to use any of the fixes developed by the likes of the IETF, IEEE, ISO etc. Andy -- Computers are like air conditioners. Both stop working, if you open windows. -- Adam Heath - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Interesting iPlayer news
Thus... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snake_oil_(cryptography) On 17/10/2007, Andy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 17/10/2007, Glyn Wintle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The BBC could avoid all this mess if it eschewed DRM and instead employed standard formats. The problems of DRM and Cross Platform are entirely separate concepts. Evidently the BBC has hoodwinked you. Ah large media companies trying to con the public, why does this seam like a bad dream? Implementing DRM at the OS (here I really mean lower level OS, i.e. the kernel, or wherever else you put the proper access control stuff) layer on an untrusted machine is pointless, the user has hardware access and can drop down to that level. If you are going to allow them to go under your DRM protection, why not place it at the application layer? (most if not all DRM schemes do this, note that simply being shipped with the OS doesn't place an application in the OS layer security wise). So OS layer DRM is absolutely useless, now you have a 3 choices (4 if you count no DRM): 1. Implement DRM at the Hardware Layer, using tamper-proof hardware (has it's own problem hinged on key distribution, or getting trusted data to the hardware). 2. Accept it's going to be insecure and implement at the Application layer. 3. define an open standard (based on otgher standards, HTTP, XML TV-Anytime etc.) and let implementers worry about it. Selecting option one means the BBC will have to have a conversation with the likes of Intel, AMD and hardware manufactures, who will no doubt laugh them out of the office. It would them have to wait years for the old hardware to be replaced (or you could produce an external add on, but production of these would be tricky, who gets to produce it, without interfering in the market. If anyone can produce it have you compromised security be releasing decoding keys, etc.) Option 2 can (and does) work irrespective of Operating System. (by work I mean is implementable, it may also may attacks harder but in no way offers what a security expert would consider secure). Option 3 certainly works, it's worked for HTTP, Email and numerous other technologies (too many to mention) The BBC have never answered why they simple did not use a standard that would reach all platforms. It can be done. Why does the BBC pay OUR money to join standards committees (W3C, ETSI) if they are not going to use the standards produced? (Easier, Faster, Cheaper, Compliant with regulators, I see no downside, unless you work for Microsoft (or know someone who works there)) This is not a technology problem Cross Platform development was a technology problem, it's been fixed in many different ways. Unfortunately the BBC is either too incompetent or too corrupt to use any of the fixes developed by the likes of the IETF, IEEE, ISO etc. Andy -- Computers are like air conditioners. Both stop working, if you open windows. -- Adam Heath - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Please email me back if you need any more help. Brian Butterworth www.ukfree.tv
Re: [backstage] Interesting iPlayer news
I get the feeling that today is the end-of-the-BBC day: BBC.com users unequivocally believed advertising would reduce their trust in the BBC brand, so we now hear that.. Ads set for BBC.com website http://media.guardian.co.uk/broadcast/story/0,,2193103,00.html?gusrc=rssfeed=4 *Mark Sweney and Tara Conlan Wednesday October 17, 2007 MediaGuardian.co.ukhttp://www.mediaguardian.co.uk/ * BBC News and BBC Worldwide have agreed a deal that paves the way for advertising on the corporation's international website, BBC.com. The BBC Trust is discussing today giving the green light to plans to allow adverts on BBC.com. But MediaGuardian.co.uk has learnt that last week BBC News and BBC Worldwide, the corporation's commercial arm that oversees BBC.com, came to an arrangement that is being put to the trust this afternoon. According to sources, Worldwide has agreed to pay a minimum guaranteed income to the public service broadcasting part of the BBC. In return Worldwide gets the rights to use BBC news content for commercial gain and a licence to exploit the BBC brand commercially. Worldwide will also cover the loss of around £4m a year the BBC's international news website gets from the Foreign Office in grant-in-aid. On top of that, Worldwide has guaranteed a percentage of revenue raised from BBC.com advertising will go back to BBC news. It is not known what the percentage is. Last year the National Union of Journalists was told that the figure would be around 20% but it is thought the actual percentage is less than that. Opponents of the move to allow advertising on a BBC website have sent a round robin message to staff and a message to the BBC Trust, claiming that deal does not benefit BBC news as much as first thought. They claimed that while BBC.com ad revenue would be in dollars, costs to BBC news would be in pounds, leaving the financial benefit to the corporation's public service broadcasting arm open to exchange rate fluctuations. However, other sources denied BBC news is unhappy with the agreement as all the major advertising firms work in dollars and all major companies have to hedge against market fluctuations. BBC executives are keen for advertising on BBC.com to go ahead to help fill the gap left by a lower-than-expected licence fee. Although the terms of the deal have been hammered out, BBC Worldwide cannot proceed with the proposals without the approval of the BBC Trust, which has already deferred the decision once. The trust asked senior management for more information on editorial safeguards, how revenues would be fed back to the BBC and how the site fits with Worldwide's wider strategy. But it is understood that BBC Trust chairman Sir Michael Lyons is keen to resolve the issue and sign it off today. Last month MediaGuardian.co.uk revealed that BBC Worldwide sidelined research that found that US audiences would be turned off by advertising on the international BBC website. According to a source involved in the research, a study commissioned by the corporation in late 2005 on the US west coast found that BBC.com users unequivocally believed advertising would reduce their trust in the BBC brand. Further research, conducted in key US cities including New York and Boston, drew the same conclusions. However, the BBC subsequently focused on later research studies that were more positive about the likely response to adverts on the international version of its website. On 17/10/2007, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thus... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snake_oil_(cryptography) On 17/10/2007, Andy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 17/10/2007, Glyn Wintle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The BBC could avoid all this mess if it eschewed DRM and instead employed standard formats. The problems of DRM and Cross Platform are entirely separate concepts. Evidently the BBC has hoodwinked you. Ah large media companies trying to con the public, why does this seam like a bad dream? Implementing DRM at the OS (here I really mean lower level OS, i.e. the kernel, or wherever else you put the proper access control stuff) layer on an untrusted machine is pointless, the user has hardware access and can drop down to that level. If you are going to allow them to go under your DRM protection, why not place it at the application layer? (most if not all DRM schemes do this, note that simply being shipped with the OS doesn't place an application in the OS layer security wise). So OS layer DRM is absolutely useless, now you have a 3 choices (4 if you count no DRM): 1. Implement DRM at the Hardware Layer, using tamper-proof hardware (has it's own problem hinged on key distribution, or getting trusted data to the hardware). 2. Accept it's going to be insecure and implement at the Application layer. 3. define an open standard (based on otgher standards, HTTP, XML TV-Anytime etc.) and let implementers worry about it. Selecting option one means
Re: [backstage] Interesting iPlayer news
I meant to say, perhaps Backstage would have more success if we could commercially exploit the BBC content and give Auntie 20% instead of doing it for free and giving the Beeb 100% of nowt. (I ask for nothing/You shall have it in abundance) On 17/10/2007, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I get the feeling that today is the end-of-the-BBC day: BBC.com users unequivocally believed advertising would reduce their trust in the BBC brand, so we now hear that.. Ads set for BBC.com website http://media.guardian.co.uk/broadcast/story/0,,2193103,00.html?gusrc=rssfeed=4 *Mark Sweney and Tara Conlan Wednesday October 17, 2007 MediaGuardian.co.uk http://www.mediaguardian.co.uk/* BBC News and BBC Worldwide have agreed a deal that paves the way for advertising on the corporation's international website, BBC.com. The BBC Trust is discussing today giving the green light to plans to allow adverts on BBC.com. But MediaGuardian.co.uk http://mediaguardian.co.uk/ has learnt that last week BBC News and BBC Worldwide, the corporation's commercial arm that oversees BBC.com, came to an arrangement that is being put to the trust this afternoon. According to sources, Worldwide has agreed to pay a minimum guaranteed income to the public service broadcasting part of the BBC. In return Worldwide gets the rights to use BBC news content for commercial gain and a licence to exploit the BBC brand commercially. Worldwide will also cover the loss of around £4m a year the BBC's international news website gets from the Foreign Office in grant-in-aid. On top of that, Worldwide has guaranteed a percentage of revenue raised from BBC.com advertising will go back to BBC news. It is not known what the percentage is. Last year the National Union of Journalists was told that the figure would be around 20% but it is thought the actual percentage is less than that. Opponents of the move to allow advertising on a BBC website have sent a round robin message to staff and a message to the BBC Trust, claiming that deal does not benefit BBC news as much as first thought. They claimed that while BBC.com ad revenue would be in dollars, costs to BBC news would be in pounds, leaving the financial benefit to the corporation's public service broadcasting arm open to exchange rate fluctuations. However, other sources denied BBC news is unhappy with the agreement as all the major advertising firms work in dollars and all major companies have to hedge against market fluctuations. BBC executives are keen for advertising on BBC.com to go ahead to help fill the gap left by a lower-than-expected licence fee. Although the terms of the deal have been hammered out, BBC Worldwide cannot proceed with the proposals without the approval of the BBC Trust, which has already deferred the decision once. The trust asked senior management for more information on editorial safeguards, how revenues would be fed back to the BBC and how the site fits with Worldwide's wider strategy. But it is understood that BBC Trust chairman Sir Michael Lyons is keen to resolve the issue and sign it off today. Last month MediaGuardian.co.uk http://mediaguardian.co.uk/ revealed that BBC Worldwide sidelined research that found that US audiences would be turned off by advertising on the international BBC website. According to a source involved in the research, a study commissioned by the corporation in late 2005 on the US west coast found that BBC.com users unequivocally believed advertising would reduce their trust in the BBC brand. Further research, conducted in key US cities including New York and Boston, drew the same conclusions. However, the BBC subsequently focused on later research studies that were more positive about the likely response to adverts on the international version of its website. On 17/10/2007, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thus... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snake_oil_(cryptography) On 17/10/2007, Andy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 17/10/2007, Glyn Wintle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The BBC could avoid all this mess if it eschewed DRM and instead employed standard formats. The problems of DRM and Cross Platform are entirely separate concepts. Evidently the BBC has hoodwinked you. Ah large media companies trying to con the public, why does this seam like a bad dream? Implementing DRM at the OS (here I really mean lower level OS, i.e. the kernel, or wherever else you put the proper access control stuff) layer on an untrusted machine is pointless, the user has hardware access and can drop down to that level. If you are going to allow them to go under your DRM protection, why not place it at the application layer? (most if not all DRM schemes do this, note that simply being shipped with the OS doesn't place an application in the OS layer security wise). So OS layer DRM is absolutely useless,
Re: [backstage] Interesting iPlayer news
Might as well add in this one too... http://www.broadcastnow.co.uk/BroadcastnowBlogEntry.aspx?BlogEntryID=155 On 17/10/2007, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I meant to say, perhaps Backstage would have more success if we could commercially exploit the BBC content and give Auntie 20% instead of doing it for free and giving the Beeb 100% of nowt. (I ask for nothing/You shall have it in abundance) On 17/10/2007, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I get the feeling that today is the end-of-the-BBC day: BBC.com users unequivocally believed advertising would reduce their trust in the BBC brand, so we now hear that.. Ads set for BBC.com website http://media.guardian.co.uk/broadcast/story/0,,2193103,00.html?gusrc=rssfeed=4 *Mark Sweney and Tara Conlan Wednesday October 17, 2007 MediaGuardian.co.uk http://www.mediaguardian.co.uk/* BBC News and BBC Worldwide have agreed a deal that paves the way for advertising on the corporation's international website, BBC.com. The BBC Trust is discussing today giving the green light to plans to allow adverts on BBC.com. But MediaGuardian.co.uk http://mediaguardian.co.uk/ has learnt that last week BBC News and BBC Worldwide, the corporation's commercial arm that oversees BBC.com, came to an arrangement that is being put to the trust this afternoon. According to sources, Worldwide has agreed to pay a minimum guaranteed income to the public service broadcasting part of the BBC. In return Worldwide gets the rights to use BBC news content for commercial gain and a licence to exploit the BBC brand commercially. Worldwide will also cover the loss of around £4m a year the BBC's international news website gets from the Foreign Office in grant-in-aid. On top of that, Worldwide has guaranteed a percentage of revenue raised from BBC.com advertising will go back to BBC news. It is not known what the percentage is. Last year the National Union of Journalists was told that the figure would be around 20% but it is thought the actual percentage is less than that. Opponents of the move to allow advertising on a BBC website have sent a round robin message to staff and a message to the BBC Trust, claiming that deal does not benefit BBC news as much as first thought. They claimed that while BBC.com ad revenue would be in dollars, costs to BBC news would be in pounds, leaving the financial benefit to the corporation's public service broadcasting arm open to exchange rate fluctuations. However, other sources denied BBC news is unhappy with the agreement as all the major advertising firms work in dollars and all major companies have to hedge against market fluctuations. BBC executives are keen for advertising on BBC.com to go ahead to help fill the gap left by a lower-than-expected licence fee. Although the terms of the deal have been hammered out, BBC Worldwide cannot proceed with the proposals without the approval of the BBC Trust, which has already deferred the decision once. The trust asked senior management for more information on editorial safeguards, how revenues would be fed back to the BBC and how the site fits with Worldwide's wider strategy. But it is understood that BBC Trust chairman Sir Michael Lyons is keen to resolve the issue and sign it off today. Last month MediaGuardian.co.uk http://mediaguardian.co.uk/ revealed that BBC Worldwide sidelined research that found that US audiences would be turned off by advertising on the international BBC website. According to a source involved in the research, a study commissioned by the corporation in late 2005 on the US west coast found that BBC.comusers unequivocally believed advertising would reduce their trust in the BBC brand. Further research, conducted in key US cities including New York and Boston, drew the same conclusions. However, the BBC subsequently focused on later research studies that were more positive about the likely response to adverts on the international version of its website. On 17/10/2007, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thus... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snake_oil_(cryptography) On 17/10/2007, Andy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 17/10/2007, Glyn Wintle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The BBC could avoid all this mess if it eschewed DRM and instead employed standard formats. The problems of DRM and Cross Platform are entirely separate concepts. Evidently the BBC has hoodwinked you. Ah large media companies trying to con the public, why does this seam like a bad dream? Implementing DRM at the OS (here I really mean lower level OS, i.e. the kernel, or wherever else you put the proper access control stuff) layer on an untrusted machine is pointless, the user has hardware access and can drop down to that level. If you
Re: [backstage] Interesting iPlayer news
Abroad a lot BBC content (including the news) already has adverts next to it, so why not online? J On 17/10/2007, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I get the feeling that today is the end-of-the-BBC day: BBC.com users unequivocally believed advertising would reduce their trust in the BBC brand, so we now hear that.. Ads set for BBC.com website http://media.guardian.co.uk/broadcast/story/0,,2193103,00.html?gusrc=rssfeed=4 *Mark Sweney and Tara Conlan Wednesday October 17, 2007 MediaGuardian.co.uk http://www.mediaguardian.co.uk/* BBC News and BBC Worldwide have agreed a deal that paves the way for advertising on the corporation's international website, BBC.com. The BBC Trust is discussing today giving the green light to plans to allow adverts on BBC.com. But MediaGuardian.co.uk has learnt that last week BBC News and BBC Worldwide, the corporation's commercial arm that oversees BBC.com, came to an arrangement that is being put to the trust this afternoon. According to sources, Worldwide has agreed to pay a minimum guaranteed income to the public service broadcasting part of the BBC. In return Worldwide gets the rights to use BBC news content for commercial gain and a licence to exploit the BBC brand commercially. Worldwide will also cover the loss of around £4m a year the BBC's international news website gets from the Foreign Office in grant-in-aid. On top of that, Worldwide has guaranteed a percentage of revenue raised from BBC.com advertising will go back to BBC news. It is not known what the percentage is. Last year the National Union of Journalists was told that the figure would be around 20% but it is thought the actual percentage is less than that. Opponents of the move to allow advertising on a BBC website have sent a round robin message to staff and a message to the BBC Trust, claiming that deal does not benefit BBC news as much as first thought. They claimed that while BBC.com ad revenue would be in dollars, costs to BBC news would be in pounds, leaving the financial benefit to the corporation's public service broadcasting arm open to exchange rate fluctuations. However, other sources denied BBC news is unhappy with the agreement as all the major advertising firms work in dollars and all major companies have to hedge against market fluctuations. BBC executives are keen for advertising on BBC.com to go ahead to help fill the gap left by a lower-than-expected licence fee. Although the terms of the deal have been hammered out, BBC Worldwide cannot proceed with the proposals without the approval of the BBC Trust, which has already deferred the decision once. The trust asked senior management for more information on editorial safeguards, how revenues would be fed back to the BBC and how the site fits with Worldwide's wider strategy. But it is understood that BBC Trust chairman Sir Michael Lyons is keen to resolve the issue and sign it off today. Last month MediaGuardian.co.uk revealed that BBC Worldwide sidelined research that found that US audiences would be turned off by advertising on the international BBC website. According to a source involved in the research, a study commissioned by the corporation in late 2005 on the US west coast found that BBC.com users unequivocally believed advertising would reduce their trust in the BBC brand. Further research, conducted in key US cities including New York and Boston, drew the same conclusions. However, the BBC subsequently focused on later research studies that were more positive about the likely response to adverts on the international version of its website. On 17/10/2007, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thus... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snake_oil_(cryptographyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snake_oil_%28cryptography ) On 17/10/2007, Andy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 17/10/2007, Glyn Wintle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The BBC could avoid all this mess if it eschewed DRM and instead employed standard formats. The problems of DRM and Cross Platform are entirely separate concepts. Evidently the BBC has hoodwinked you. Ah large media companies trying to con the public, why does this seam like a bad dream? Implementing DRM at the OS (here I really mean lower level OS, i.e. the kernel, or wherever else you put the proper access control stuff) layer on an untrusted machine is pointless, the user has hardware access and can drop down to that level. If you are going to allow them to go under your DRM protection, why not place it at the application layer? (most if not all DRM schemes do this, note that simply being shipped with the OS doesn't place an application in the OS layer security wise). So OS layer DRM is absolutely useless, now you have a 3 choices (4 if you count no DRM): 1. Implement DRM at the Hardware Layer, using tamper-proof hardware (has it's own
Re: [backstage] Wii News Channel
On 17/10/2007, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I want Apple to team up with Nintendo, then we could have the iWii... Personally I think the Wii looks as though it was made by apple anyway, It's certainly one of the best looking consoles that have ever been made, and has an apple look and feel. Although there's certainly no reason for them not to team up, as apple are mostly a design company now anyway. *zips up flame suit* Vijay.
[backstage] iPhone SDK news
http://www.apple.com/hotnews/ Native third party applications on the iPhone (and iPod touch) will be enabled via an SDK as of February 2008. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Interesting iPlayer news
On 17/10/2007, Jason Cartwright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Abroad a lot BBC content (including the news) already has adverts next to it, so why not online? Because a) it damages the brand; and b) UK licence fee payers should not have to see adverts for content they have paid for just because they are (or their PC thinks they are) outside the UK. J On 17/10/2007, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I get the feeling that today is the end-of-the-BBC day: BBC.com users unequivocally believed advertising would reduce their trust in the BBC brand, so we now hear that.. Ads set for BBC.com website http://media.guardian.co.uk/broadcast/story/0,,2193103,00.html?gusrc=rssfeed=4 *Mark Sweney and Tara Conlan Wednesday October 17, 2007 MediaGuardian.co.uk http://www.mediaguardian.co.uk/* BBC News and BBC Worldwide have agreed a deal that paves the way for advertising on the corporation's international website, BBC.com. The BBC Trust is discussing today giving the green light to plans to allow adverts on BBC.com. But MediaGuardian.co.uk http://mediaguardian.co.uk/ has learnt that last week BBC News and BBC Worldwide, the corporation's commercial arm that oversees BBC.com, came to an arrangement that is being put to the trust this afternoon. According to sources, Worldwide has agreed to pay a minimum guaranteed income to the public service broadcasting part of the BBC. In return Worldwide gets the rights to use BBC news content for commercial gain and a licence to exploit the BBC brand commercially. Worldwide will also cover the loss of around £4m a year the BBC's international news website gets from the Foreign Office in grant-in-aid. On top of that, Worldwide has guaranteed a percentage of revenue raised from BBC.com advertising will go back to BBC news. It is not known what the percentage is. Last year the National Union of Journalists was told that the figure would be around 20% but it is thought the actual percentage is less than that. Opponents of the move to allow advertising on a BBC website have sent a round robin message to staff and a message to the BBC Trust, claiming that deal does not benefit BBC news as much as first thought. They claimed that while BBC.com ad revenue would be in dollars, costs to BBC news would be in pounds, leaving the financial benefit to the corporation's public service broadcasting arm open to exchange rate fluctuations. However, other sources denied BBC news is unhappy with the agreement as all the major advertising firms work in dollars and all major companies have to hedge against market fluctuations. BBC executives are keen for advertising on BBC.com to go ahead to help fill the gap left by a lower-than-expected licence fee. Although the terms of the deal have been hammered out, BBC Worldwide cannot proceed with the proposals without the approval of the BBC Trust, which has already deferred the decision once. The trust asked senior management for more information on editorial safeguards, how revenues would be fed back to the BBC and how the site fits with Worldwide's wider strategy. But it is understood that BBC Trust chairman Sir Michael Lyons is keen to resolve the issue and sign it off today. Last month MediaGuardian.co.uk http://mediaguardian.co.uk/ revealed that BBC Worldwide sidelined research that found that US audiences would be turned off by advertising on the international BBC website. According to a source involved in the research, a study commissioned by the corporation in late 2005 on the US west coast found that BBC.comusers unequivocally believed advertising would reduce their trust in the BBC brand. Further research, conducted in key US cities including New York and Boston, drew the same conclusions. However, the BBC subsequently focused on later research studies that were more positive about the likely response to adverts on the international version of its website. On 17/10/2007, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thus... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snake_oil_(cryptographyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snake_oil_%28cryptography ) On 17/10/2007, Andy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 17/10/2007, Glyn Wintle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The BBC could avoid all this mess if it eschewed DRM and instead employed standard formats. The problems of DRM and Cross Platform are entirely separate concepts. Evidently the BBC has hoodwinked you. Ah large media companies trying to con the public, why does this seam like a bad dream? Implementing DRM at the OS (here I really mean lower level OS, i.e. the kernel, or wherever else you put the proper access control stuff) layer on an untrusted machine is pointless, the user has hardware access and can drop down to that level. If you are
Re: [backstage] iPhone SDK news
On 17/10/2007, Adam Lindsay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.apple.com/hotnews/ Native third party applications on the iPhone (and iPod touch) will be enabled via an SDK as of February 2008. There's a name for that .. vapourware - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Please email me back if you need any more help. Brian Butterworth www.ukfree.tv
RE: [backstage] Wii News Channel
*Holds back his flame thrower, titled great design isn't just about Apple* Ian Forrester This e-mail is: [ x ] private; [ ] ask first; [ ] bloggable Senior Producer, BBC Backstage BC5 C3, Media Village, 201 Wood Lane, London W12 7TP e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] p: +44 (0)2080083965 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of vijay chopra Sent: 17 October 2007 15:53 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Wii News Channel On 17/10/2007, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I want Apple to team up with Nintendo, then we could have the iWii... Personally I think the Wii looks as though it was made by apple anyway, It's certainly one of the best looking consoles that have ever been made, and has an apple look and feel. Although there's certainly no reason for them not to team up, as apple are mostly a design company now anyway. *zips up flame suit* Vijay.
Re: [backstage] Interesting iPlayer news
If I'm abroad and watch BBC World, I see advertising next to BBC content. I don't see this as being any different. On 10/17/07, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 17/10/2007, Jason Cartwright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Abroad a lot BBC content (including the news) already has adverts next to it, so why not online? Because a) it damages the brand; and b) UK licence fee payers should not have to see adverts for content they have paid for just because they are (or their PC thinks they are) outside the UK. J On 17/10/2007, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I get the feeling that today is the end-of-the-BBC day: BBC.com users unequivocally believed advertising would reduce their trust in the BBC brand, so we now hear that.. Ads set for BBC.com website http://media.guardian.co.uk/broadcast/story/0,,2193103,00.html?gusrc=rssfeed=4 *Mark Sweney and Tara Conlan Wednesday October 17, 2007 MediaGuardian.co.uk http://www.mediaguardian.co.uk/* BBC News and BBC Worldwide have agreed a deal that paves the way for advertising on the corporation's international website, BBC.com. The BBC Trust is discussing today giving the green light to plans to allow adverts on BBC.com. But MediaGuardian.co.uk http://mediaguardian.co.uk/ has learnt that last week BBC News and BBC Worldwide, the corporation's commercial arm that oversees BBC.com, came to an arrangement that is being put to the trust this afternoon. According to sources, Worldwide has agreed to pay a minimum guaranteed income to the public service broadcasting part of the BBC. In return Worldwide gets the rights to use BBC news content for commercial gain and a licence to exploit the BBC brand commercially. Worldwide will also cover the loss of around £4m a year the BBC's international news website gets from the Foreign Office in grant-in-aid. On top of that, Worldwide has guaranteed a percentage of revenue raised from BBC.com advertising will go back to BBC news. It is not known what the percentage is. Last year the National Union of Journalists was told that the figure would be around 20% but it is thought the actual percentage is less than that. Opponents of the move to allow advertising on a BBC website have sent a round robin message to staff and a message to the BBC Trust, claiming that deal does not benefit BBC news as much as first thought. They claimed that while BBC.com ad revenue would be in dollars, costs to BBC news would be in pounds, leaving the financial benefit to the corporation's public service broadcasting arm open to exchange rate fluctuations. However, other sources denied BBC news is unhappy with the agreement as all the major advertising firms work in dollars and all major companies have to hedge against market fluctuations. BBC executives are keen for advertising on BBC.com to go ahead to help fill the gap left by a lower-than-expected licence fee. Although the terms of the deal have been hammered out, BBC Worldwide cannot proceed with the proposals without the approval of the BBC Trust, which has already deferred the decision once. The trust asked senior management for more information on editorial safeguards, how revenues would be fed back to the BBC and how the site fits with Worldwide's wider strategy. But it is understood that BBC Trust chairman Sir Michael Lyons is keen to resolve the issue and sign it off today. Last month MediaGuardian.co.uk http://mediaguardian.co.uk/ revealed that BBC Worldwide sidelined research that found that US audiences would be turned off by advertising on the international BBC website. According to a source involved in the research, a study commissioned by the corporation in late 2005 on the US west coast found that BBC.com users unequivocally believed advertising would reduce their trust in the BBC brand. Further research, conducted in key US cities including New York and Boston, drew the same conclusions. However, the BBC subsequently focused on later research studies that were more positive about the likely response to adverts on the international version of its website. On 17/10/2007, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thus... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snake_oil_(cryptographyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snake_oil_%28cryptography ) On 17/10/2007, Andy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 17/10/2007, Glyn Wintle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The BBC could avoid all this mess if it eschewed DRM and instead employed standard formats. The problems of DRM and Cross Platform are entirely separate concepts. Evidently the BBC has hoodwinked you. Ah large media companies trying to con the
Re: [backstage] Interesting iPlayer news
So, who is going to pay for all the server juice and bandwidth used by international users? As I understand it bbc.com is to bbc.co.uk what BBC World is to BBC News 24. BBC World has adverts (geotargetted quite nicely - even crazy text ads in places I've watched it), so I don't see why the fact that it's on the internet means that it shouldn't have ads. GeoIP has been in use at the BBC for a while - its pretty accurate. J On 17/10/2007, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 17/10/2007, Jason Cartwright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Abroad a lot BBC content (including the news) already has adverts next to it, so why not online? Because a) it damages the brand; and b) UK licence fee payers should not have to see adverts for content they have paid for just because they are (or their PC thinks they are) outside the UK. J On 17/10/2007, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I get the feeling that today is the end-of-the-BBC day: BBC.com users unequivocally believed advertising would reduce their trust in the BBC brand, so we now hear that.. Ads set for BBC.com website http://media.guardian.co.uk/broadcast/story/0,,2193103,00.html?gusrc=rssfeed=4 *Mark Sweney and Tara Conlan Wednesday October 17, 2007 MediaGuardian.co.uk http://www.mediaguardian.co.uk/* BBC News and BBC Worldwide have agreed a deal that paves the way for advertising on the corporation's international website, BBC.com. The BBC Trust is discussing today giving the green light to plans to allow adverts on BBC.com. But MediaGuardian.co.uk http://mediaguardian.co.uk/ has learnt that last week BBC News and BBC Worldwide, the corporation's commercial arm that oversees BBC.com, came to an arrangement that is being put to the trust this afternoon. According to sources, Worldwide has agreed to pay a minimum guaranteed income to the public service broadcasting part of the BBC. In return Worldwide gets the rights to use BBC news content for commercial gain and a licence to exploit the BBC brand commercially. Worldwide will also cover the loss of around £4m a year the BBC's international news website gets from the Foreign Office in grant-in-aid. On top of that, Worldwide has guaranteed a percentage of revenue raised from BBC.com advertising will go back to BBC news. It is not known what the percentage is. Last year the National Union of Journalists was told that the figure would be around 20% but it is thought the actual percentage is less than that. Opponents of the move to allow advertising on a BBC website have sent a round robin message to staff and a message to the BBC Trust, claiming that deal does not benefit BBC news as much as first thought. They claimed that while BBC.com ad revenue would be in dollars, costs to BBC news would be in pounds, leaving the financial benefit to the corporation's public service broadcasting arm open to exchange rate fluctuations. However, other sources denied BBC news is unhappy with the agreement as all the major advertising firms work in dollars and all major companies have to hedge against market fluctuations. BBC executives are keen for advertising on BBC.com to go ahead to help fill the gap left by a lower-than-expected licence fee. Although the terms of the deal have been hammered out, BBC Worldwide cannot proceed with the proposals without the approval of the BBC Trust, which has already deferred the decision once. The trust asked senior management for more information on editorial safeguards, how revenues would be fed back to the BBC and how the site fits with Worldwide's wider strategy. But it is understood that BBC Trust chairman Sir Michael Lyons is keen to resolve the issue and sign it off today. Last month MediaGuardian.co.uk http://mediaguardian.co.uk/ revealed that BBC Worldwide sidelined research that found that US audiences would be turned off by advertising on the international BBC website. According to a source involved in the research, a study commissioned by the corporation in late 2005 on the US west coast found that BBC.com users unequivocally believed advertising would reduce their trust in the BBC brand. Further research, conducted in key US cities including New York and Boston, drew the same conclusions. However, the BBC subsequently focused on later research studies that were more positive about the likely response to adverts on the international version of its website. On 17/10/2007, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thus... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snake_oil_(cryptographyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snake_oil_%28cryptography ) On 17/10/2007, Andy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 17/10/2007, Glyn Wintle
Re: [backstage] iPhone SDK news
I'd say that Apple have a good track record of releasing things, generally when they say they will. The only major product I can recall not seeing the light of day was Coplandhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copland_%2528operating_system%2529, over 10 years ago. - martin On 10/17/07, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 17/10/2007, Adam Lindsay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.apple.com/hotnews/ Native third party applications on the iPhone (and iPod touch) will be enabled via an SDK as of February 2008. There's a name for that .. vapourware - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Please email me back if you need any more help. Brian Butterworth www.ukfree.tv
Re: [backstage] iPlayer usage
nick richards wrote: Hi guys, I saw a del.icio.us post from Tom Coates earlier asking how many people actualy *use* the iPlayer: I went back and noticed that the original poster's question wasn't answered: are there any plans to reveal statistics on iPlayer usage? adam - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] iPlayer usage
Hi Adam, yes sorry about that I'm also going to reply to the developer list because that's where the question was asked. On Monday Ashley announced that more than 250,000 people use the iPlayer regularly... Taken from http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7047381.stm m On 17/10/07 18:41, Adam Lindsay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: nick richards wrote: Hi guys, I saw a del.icio.us post from Tom Coates earlier asking how many people actualy *use* the iPlayer: I went back and noticed that the original poster's question wasn't answered: are there any plans to reveal statistics on iPlayer usage? adam - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ ___ Matthew Cashmore Development Producer BBC Future Media Technology, Research and Innovation BC5C3, Broadcast Centre, Media Village, W12 7TP T:020 8008 3959(02 83959) M:07711 913241(072 83959) - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] iPlayer usage
Am I the only person who thinks that there should be backstage-iplayer? ;) - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
