Re: [backstage] HD-DVD / Blu Ray
On Thu, 2008-02-21 at 14:13 +0100, Sean DALY wrote: Concerning physical records, I feel the same way. I buy few items online, not only because of the silly DRM, but because managing storage and backups is a headache. I still prefer to buy real CDs, partly because they _become_ the backup -- and can be used by She Who Must Be Obeyed without having to deal with the computer (although of course they all end up on the computer too). Also, a lot of the time we buy CDs for each other, and a tangible object is definitely better there. I wonder what proportion of CDs are bought as presents? -- dwmw2 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Open source video streaming browser based video client
If you know javascript, how about this one? Seems to do what you need: http://flowplayer.org/player/index.html You would just point it at your SMIL file. Just to remind you though, the very latest Flash player is the only one that supports h264/aac so your users would need to have that. Lastly, because I've been looking at flash video streaming and, seperately, python, I also found rtmpy which is a Twistedhttp://twistedmatrix.com/trac/protocol implementing Adobe's Real Time Messaging Protocol ( RTMP http://rtmpy.org/wiki/RTMP), used for full-duplex real-time communication with applications running inside the Flash Playerhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_Player . it says here: http://rtmpy.org/ I cannot now source the link but sometime after I sent my first reply I remembered seeing something from Adobe which claimed that only their proprietary Flash Media Server would stream MPEG4 into flash. On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 12:05 AM, Dogsbody [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you for the replies. Flash and MPG4 seem like a good combination. I'm pretty sure I can already stream MPEG4 from my Helix server too. The trouble now is that I know server side tech very well but have no idea when it comes to client side (Flash)! Browsing around it seems there are a number of flash player scripts (are they called scripts?) already out there. Does anyone know one that will do MPEG4 SMIL without me having to learn Flash and re-invent the wheel? :-) Thanks again Dan On 17/02/2008 22:55, simon was seen to type: Hello, Flash appears to say yes to SMIL: http://livedocs.adobe.com/flash/9.0/main/wwhelp/wwhimpl/common/html/wwhelp.htm?context=LiveDocs_Partsfile=0589.html http://livedocs.adobe.com/flash/9.0/main/wwhelp/wwhimpl/common/html/wwhelp.htm?context=LiveDocs_Partsfile=0589.html though flash has caused me problems by only implementing limited subsets of other standard formats (eg limited html tags in flash textareas) so I wouldn't like to say for sure the flash's understanding of SMIL would do what you want. I've never used SMIL + flash. And the best bet I think for an open source flash streaming server for flv video format is still currently Red5 which hasn't made a 1.0 version yet: http://osflash.org/red5 If you use MP4 container with h264/aac as your flash video format (from memory: player 9,0,115,0 onwards), you may have more options for your server, it's on my list to check this but so far I haven't had time. S. On Feb 17, 2008 10:18 PM, Dogsbody [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Apologies if this is slightly off topic but I have been googling on and off since last year, found nothing and you lot are the best people I know to ask! I'm looking for an open source video streaming server browser based video client for the video finish of a charity marathon I run. I'm already using Helix Server for streaming the video although I could change that if required. I'm using Real video for the stream and I guess it's the having to ask users to download and install Real Player that's harsh. While Real is very good at simultaneous multi-bitrate streaming it's anything but open and I know plenty of people that refuse to install Real Player not to mention to vulnerabilities! It would be great to have the video window in the browser so the user didn't have to download anything (e.g. VLC) but I think that just leaves Flash(!?) which is also not open (although people are at least used to video in Flash). The BIG requirement though is that the client can understand/replicate SMIL information as the video is stored on the server as a single 1GB file and different users are streamed different 20 second clips based on the time they went over the finish line. Can Flash even do that? Any help appreciated. Dan P.S. I'm using the term Open Source as a indication of the ideal, I'm a fan of open source so I would like to use it with free software being the next choice but as this is a charity marathon we have no money to throw at commercial software. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk http://backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Personal : http://www.dogsbody.org/ Camberley Skaters : http://www.cskate.co.uk/ Dogsbody Hosting : http://www.dogsbodyhosting.net/ Goodwood Roller Marathon : http://www.goodwoodmarathon.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit
Re: [backstage] Open source video streaming browser based video client
nuts, I forgot to mention this article from Adobe explaining more about what's available for video in the latest player version: http://www.adobe.com/devnet/flash/articles/flvplayback_fplayer9u3.html page 3 mentions SMIL capability. On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 2:48 PM, simon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you know javascript, how about this one? Seems to do what you need: http://flowplayer.org/player/index.html You would just point it at your SMIL file. Just to remind you though, the very latest Flash player is the only one that supports h264/aac so your users would need to have that. Lastly, because I've been looking at flash video streaming and, seperately, python, I also found rtmpy which is a Twistedhttp://twistedmatrix.com/trac/protocol implementing Adobe's Real Time Messaging Protocol ( RTMP http://rtmpy.org/wiki/RTMP), used for full-duplex real-time communication with applications running inside the Flash Playerhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_Player . it says here: http://rtmpy.org/ I cannot now source the link but sometime after I sent my first reply I remembered seeing something from Adobe which claimed that only their proprietary Flash Media Server would stream MPEG4 into flash. On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 12:05 AM, Dogsbody [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you for the replies. Flash and MPG4 seem like a good combination. I'm pretty sure I can already stream MPEG4 from my Helix server too. The trouble now is that I know server side tech very well but have no idea when it comes to client side (Flash)! Browsing around it seems there are a number of flash player scripts (are they called scripts?) already out there. Does anyone know one that will do MPEG4 SMIL without me having to learn Flash and re-invent the wheel? :-) Thanks again Dan On 17/02/2008 22:55, simon was seen to type: Hello, Flash appears to say yes to SMIL: http://livedocs.adobe.com/flash/9.0/main/wwhelp/wwhimpl/common/html/wwhelp.htm?context=LiveDocs_Partsfile=0589.html http://livedocs.adobe.com/flash/9.0/main/wwhelp/wwhimpl/common/html/wwhelp.htm?context=LiveDocs_Partsfile=0589.html though flash has caused me problems by only implementing limited subsets of other standard formats (eg limited html tags in flash textareas) so I wouldn't like to say for sure the flash's understanding of SMIL would do what you want. I've never used SMIL + flash. And the best bet I think for an open source flash streaming server for flv video format is still currently Red5 which hasn't made a 1.0version yet: http://osflash.org/red5 If you use MP4 container with h264/aac as your flash video format (from memory: player 9,0,115,0 onwards), you may have more options for your server, it's on my list to check this but so far I haven't had time. S. On Feb 17, 2008 10:18 PM, Dogsbody [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Apologies if this is slightly off topic but I have been googling on and off since last year, found nothing and you lot are the best people I know to ask! I'm looking for an open source video streaming server browser based video client for the video finish of a charity marathon I run. I'm already using Helix Server for streaming the video although I could change that if required. I'm using Real video for the stream and I guess it's the having to ask users to download and install Real Player that's harsh. While Real is very good at simultaneous multi-bitrate streaming it's anything but open and I know plenty of people that refuse to install Real Player not to mention to vulnerabilities! It would be great to have the video window in the browser so the user didn't have to download anything (e.g. VLC) but I think that just leaves Flash(!?) which is also not open (although people are at least used to video in Flash). The BIG requirement though is that the client can understand/replicate SMIL information as the video is stored on the server as a single 1GB file and different users are streamed different 20 second clips based on the time they went over the finish line. Can Flash even do that? Any help appreciated. Dan P.S. I'm using the term Open Source as a indication of the ideal, I'm a fan of open source so I would like to use it with free software being the next choice but as this is a charity marathon we have no money to throw at commercial software. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk http://backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit
Re: [backstage] Open source video streaming browser based video client
If you know javascript, how about this one? Seems to do what you need: http://flowplayer.org/player/index.html This definitely looks interesting! Thanks Dan - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] HD-DVD / Blu Ray
Also, a lot of the time we buy CDs for each other, and a tangible object is definitely better there. I wonder what proportion of CDs are bought as presents? buzzwords The industry itself readily acknowledges that the vast majority of CD purchases are from the demographic who buy one, maybe two CDs a year, and that's why they capitalise on the cross-selling opportunities presented by industry events like the BRITs and NME Awards - to try and coax people into the shops to buy more product who otherwise wouldn't necessarily even consider it. /buzzwords Still, most CDs are gifts - be they mother's day, father's day, Christmas, Easter, birthdays... One look at Music Week's product features whenever a seasonal buying period is upon us really brings home just how key these 'holidays' are for those themed and compilation releases. I buy probably one or two CDs a year, if that, but I buy a barrowload of vinyl every year. I'm a bit odd though. ;) - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] HD-DVD / Blu Ray
On Sun, 2008-02-24 at 18:00 +, Christopher Woods wrote: I buy probably one or two CDs a year, if that, but I buy a barrowload of vinyl every year. I'm a bit odd though. ;) Maybe - I get more vinyl every month, but I haven't bought a CD for ages. SACDs are tempting, sounding far better than CDs, but there are few new releases, so rather than buying a player this year, I think I'll invest in a better gramophone for my 78s :-) - Richard - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] HD-DVD / Blu Ray
Maybe - I get more vinyl every month, but I haven't bought a CD for ages. SACDs are tempting, sounding far better than CDs, but there are few new releases, so rather than buying a player this year, I think I'll invest in a better gramophone for my 78s :-) The ELP Laser Turntable is your friend. I have the demo CD and frankly I think it sounds gorgeous (a lot of preparatory work but the sound - wow!) - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] HD-DVD / Blu Ray
On Sun, 2008-02-24 at 23:39 +, Christopher Woods wrote: Maybe - I get more vinyl every month, but I haven't bought a CD for ages. SACDs are tempting, sounding far better than CDs, but there are few new releases, so rather than buying a player this year, I think I'll invest in a better gramophone for my 78s :-) The ELP Laser Turntable is your friend. I have the demo CD and frankly I think it sounds gorgeous (a lot of preparatory work but the sound - wow!) I've listened to the laser turntables on LPs, but not 78s - they really did sound excellent, though not the best I've heard. I know that on 78s they give the choice of either side of the groove, meaning you can play back the least worn side of the channel - another bonus. However I don't intend to spend a five figure sum on such a beast when I have the chassis of a perfectly good Goldring Lenco, just waiting for me to find time (and the right piece of marine ply) to build it a plinth. Still, I note the ELP is coming down in price - and I can resist anything except temptation. ;-) - Richard -- Morris Minor Convertible for sale: www.goodgnus.org/mmconvertible4sale/ http://www.classiccarsforsale.co.uk/classic-car-page.php/carno/29129 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Open source video streaming browser based video client
Great. Also, my reaction to Adobe claiming only their Flash Media Server would stream MP4's into the flash player was 'that sounds like a challenge to me' :) If you do crack it, I'd be interested to know how you did since, like I say, it's one of those things I mean to find out but haven't got around to yet. On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 5:58 PM, Dogsbody [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you know javascript, how about this one? Seems to do what you need: http://flowplayer.org/player/index.html This definitely looks interesting! Thanks Dan - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] HD-DVD / Blu Ray
On Fri, 2008-02-22 at 08:03 +, Brian Butterworth wrote: Is the BBC Shop going to swap defunt HD-DVD for BR versions? Why don't you just write it to a BR disc for yourself? You bought it, after all -- surely you have a right to _use_ it? -- dwmw2 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
