Re: [backstage] Open source video streaming browser based video client
On 25/02/2008, simon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Great. Also, my reaction to Adobe claiming only their Flash Media Server would stream MP4's into the flash player was 'that sounds like a challenge to me' :) A challenge being met by Cygnal, the Gnash Media Server. www.gnashdev.org :-) The next release of Gnash is due out in the next week or so, and then the heavy work on Cygnal will begin. If you do crack it, I'd be interested to know how you did since, like I say, it's one of those things I mean to find out but haven't got around to yet. Yes, please do keep us posted on your progress Dan (dogsbody) -- Regards, Dave - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] Internet TV standard
Hi all, Just found this on BBC news. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7259339.stm From the article: The European Union is spending 14m euros (£10.5m) to create a standard way to send TV via the net. Also form the article: It will be based on the BitTorrent technology many people already use to share movies and music. Isn't that the same technology the BBC rejected? Nice to see BBC rejecting the cross-platform, EU recommended, technically superior, cheaper, better tested protocol in favour of Kontiki (what did Kontiki have as a good point?). Andy -- Computers are like air conditioners. Both stop working, if you open windows. -- Adam Heath - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] Fwd: [Fsfe-uk] Europe funds internet TV standard
:) -- Forwarded message -- From: Dave Page [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 25 Feb 2008 11:51 Subject: [Fsfe-uk] Europe funds internet TV standard To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7259339.stm Just making sure this is on FSFE's radar - a Europe-wide standard presents great opportunities and great risks for free software. If we can make sure that the standard allows free software implementations, without patent encumberment, then this will massively lower another barrier to entry for free software and free culture; if we fail, it may make free software unusable for large numbers of home users. What can be done in this fight? Dave -- Dave Page [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Fsfe-uk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/fsfe-uk -- Regards, Dave - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Internet TV standard
this post from the BBC Internet Blog may be of interest: http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2008/02/p2p_next.html From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Andy Sent: Mon 25/02/2008 12:42 PM To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] Internet TV standard Hi all, Just found this on BBC news. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7259339.stm From the article: The European Union is spending 14m euros (£10.5m) to create a standard way to send TV via the net. Also form the article: It will be based on the BitTorrent technology many people already use to share movies and music. Isn't that the same technology the BBC rejected? Nice to see BBC rejecting the cross-platform, EU recommended, technically superior, cheaper, better tested protocol in favour of Kontiki (what did Kontiki have as a good point?). Andy -- Computers are like air conditioners. Both stop working, if you open windows. -- Adam Heath - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Internet TV standard
On Monday 25 February 2008 12:42, Andy wrote: Hi all, Just found this on BBC news. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7259339.stm From the article: The European Union is spending 14m euros (£10.5m) to create a standard way to send TV via the net. Also form the article: It will be based on the BitTorrent technology many people already use to share movies and music. Isn't that the same technology the BBC rejected? Nice to see BBC rejecting the cross-platform, EU recommended, technically superior, cheaper, better tested protocol in favour of Kontiki (what did Kontiki have as a good point?). from - http://www.pioneer.co.uk/uk/content/press/news/p2pnext.html P2P-Next, a pan-European conglomerate of 21 industrial partners, media content providers and research institutions .. The partners, including the BBC, Delft University of Technology, the European Broadcasting Union, Lancaster University, Markenfilm, Pioneer Digital Design Centre Ltd, and VTT Technical Research Centre of Finland, intend to develop a Europe-wide next-generation Internet television distribution system, based on P2P and social interaction. Jumping to conclusions is often a bad idea. Repeatedly doing so, even more so. Michael. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Internet TV standard
On 25/02/2008, Nick Reynolds-FMT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: this post from the BBC Internet Blog may be of interest: http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2008/02/p2p_next.html Great, I got my hopes up for nothing! it's never going to replace the BBC's consumer offerings (e.g. iPlayer); from: http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2008/02/p2p_next.html So the BBC is going to assist in building a cross-platform open standard system and then not use it? Though it begs the question once it's released how is the Beeb going to con the Trust this time round? The claim of it's impossible to do cross platform, now let us get back to our Microsoft (and maybe Apple) exclusive deals is going to sound a little unbelievable no? Andy -- Computers are like air conditioners. Both stop working, if you open windows. -- Adam Heath - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] HD-DVD / Blu Ray
Richard P Edwards wrote: I would love to know who it was that decided to make the two systems incompatible.. once again, if that hadn't have happened HD-DVD could have still lost, but without the public's purchases becoming pretty much obsolete, and the hardware would still have a market. Where's the fun in a format war where the formats are compatible? :-) S - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] HD-DVD / Blu Ray
Yep, I have to agree. LOL Rich On 25 Feb 2008, at 17:13, Steve Jolly wrote: Richard P Edwards wrote: I would love to know who it was that decided to make the two systems incompatible.. once again, if that hadn't have happened HD-DVD could have still lost, but without the public's purchases becoming pretty much obsolete, and the hardware would still have a market. Where's the fun in a format war where the formats are compatible? :-) S - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/ mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail- archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] Adobe fuses on and offline worlds
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7254436.stm Adobe Air allows developers to build tools that still have some functionality even when a computer is no longer connected to the net. A free download will allow users of Macs, PCs and, later this year, Linux machines to run any Air applications. The BBC is also building prototype applications with AIR. The nice thing about it is that it works on all the different platforms - Mac, PC and eventually Linux, said John O'Donovan, chief architect in the BBC's Future Media and Technology Journalism division. So what do people think? Ian Forrester This e-mail is: [x] private; [] ask first; [] bloggable Senior Producer, BBC Backstage BC5 C3, Media Village, 201 Wood Lane, London W12 7TP email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] work: +44 (0)2080083965 mob: +44 (0)7711913293 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Adobe fuses on and offline worlds
Google Gears for Flash? Seemed inevitable to me. On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 7:22 PM, Ian Forrester [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7254436.stm Adobe Air allows developers to build tools that still have some functionality even when a computer is no longer connected to the net. A free download will allow users of Macs, PCs and, later this year, Linux machines to run any Air applications. The BBC is also building prototype applications with AIR. The nice thing about it is that it works on all the different platforms - Mac, PC and eventually Linux, said John O'Donovan, chief architect in the BBC's Future Media and Technology Journalism division. So what do people think? Ian Forrester This e-mail is: [x] private; [] ask first; [] bloggable Senior Producer, BBC Backstage BC5 C3, Media Village, 201 Wood Lane, London W12 7TP email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] work: +44 (0)2080083965 mob: +44 (0)7711913293 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Adobe fuses on and offline worlds
Ian I think it is funny that it says The current versions of the programs only work on PCs. despite the fact that earlier the article quotes your BBC man saying that the nice thing is that it is cross platform... I think that the BBC should keep an eye on Mozilla Prism as well. Rupert Watson On 25/02/2008 19:22, Ian Forrester [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So what do people think? Rupert Watson Www.root6.com +44 7787 554 801 ROOT 6 LIMITED Registered in the UK at 4 WARDOUR MEWS, LONDON W1F 8AJ Company No. 03433253 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Adobe fuses on and offline worlds
On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 7:22 PM, Ian Forrester [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7254436.stm Adobe Air allows developers to build tools that still have some functionality even when a computer is no longer connected to the net. A free download will allow users of Macs, PCs and, later this year, Linux machines to run any Air applications. The BBC is also building prototype applications with AIR. The nice thing about it is that it works on all the different platforms - Mac, PC and eventually Linux, said John O'Donovan, chief architect in the BBC's Future Media and Technology Journalism division. So what do people think? I saw this at FOWA last year, at the time I saw it as a bit of a backwards step as far as encouraging fully blown webapps - but looking at it now it could have it's advantages. Be nice to have a gMail that works offline but without a client, for example - but I wonder how much 'client' one has to download to get an air app to work. I have a trial CD around somewhere, if I get a spare few hours I will have a look at it.
Re: [backstage] Adobe fuses on and offline worlds
It's been around for quite a while now. It's good in that it's fairly easy to port existing stuff too, it runs a webkit browser with a few extensions for access to local files data storage and extra ui control. You can host a pure js/html app, use frames to load webpages or just standard ajax. It's good for bridging the gap between your web app and the desktop, the most common use for it seems to be making twitter clients! The biggest downside is the memory footprint, its huge! Makes it quite unusable for things like twitter clients. It's also potentially a lot of work to make things function fully offline (like gears) but then it can be a lot of work to get gears working. Idea: an abstraction library for using google gears, local storage via air or flash and any other method that comes along! Ian Forrester wrote: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7254436.stm Adobe Air allows developers to build tools that still have some functionality even when a computer is no longer connected to the net. A free download will allow users of Macs, PCs and, later this year, Linux machines to run any Air applications. The BBC is also building prototype applications with AIR. The nice thing about it is that it works on all the different platforms - Mac, PC and eventually Linux, said John O'Donovan, chief architect in the BBC's Future Media and Technology Journalism division. So what do people think? Ian Forrester This e-mail is: [x] private; [] ask first; [] bloggable Senior Producer, BBC Backstage BC5 C3, Media Village, 201 Wood Lane, London W12 7TP email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] work: +44 (0)2080083965 mob: +44 (0)7711913293 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- *** OPEN COFFEE 8 - http://upcoming.yahoo.com/event/421269/ *** Glow New Media t: 0151 707 9770 m: 07730 987 574 www.glow-internet.com Suite 712 Gostins Building 32-36 Hanover Street Liverpool L1 4LN Map: http://tinyurl.com/2f5nxd - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Internet TV standard
Andy wrote: On 25/02/2008, Nick Reynolds-FMT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it's never going to replace the BBC's consumer offerings (e.g. iPlayer); from: http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2008/02/p2p_next.html So the BBC is going to assist in building a cross-platform open standard system and then not use it? it's called a smoke screen. used for diverting attention. perhaps its new name can be that, honesty is probably the best policy for public service broadcasters imho. Cynical as I am, it is still a step in the right direction, though I can't help but think about a year and a half or more late. After hearing that bbc wordwide is to sell shows on itunes, the whole iplayer keeps all the bbc stuff together argument, seems to be breaking up into little bits of hypocrisy. anyway, i wish good luck to the engineers working on the project, i hope your project has a legacy, hopefully good, which is built upon by others. -- www.dobo.urandom.co.uk If each of us have one object, and we exchange them, then each of us still has one object. If each of us have one idea, and we exchange them, then each of us now has two ideas. - George Bernard Shaw - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Internet TV standard
After hearing that bbc wordwide is to sell shows on itunes,
the whole iplayer keeps all the bbc stuff together argument,
seems to be breaking up into little bits of hypocrisy.
I'm just waiting for my [EMAIL PROTECTED] iTunes login
to drop into my Inbox so I can download all of these shows for gratis ;)
I am looking forward to the convergence aspect of the iPlayer - as I drift
further and further away from static TV viewing, I will relish the
opportunity to be able to stream any of the BBC TV or radio channels in high
quality (H264! H264!) directly via my PC, whilst being able to download
previous shows and transfer them to my media player, all in the same
platform.
DRM and usability of the content we're given is going to be the major bone
of contention, like anything - the rights holders will keep holding on for
short periods of viewing tied in with the subsequent for-money download
availability, talon and claw, until the bitter end - but one day, stuff will
just be 'there', to watch 'whenever', regardless of age. The ephemeral
'content cloud'... I wonder if I've coined a phrase there... Nope, but I
might hijack it for my own ends (i.e., my little blog where I rant/ramble
about this kind of thing). That's given me a good topic for a new post.
Anyway, back on target: it's fair enough that the BBC wants to appease the
rights holders by making them available to purchase after their free window
has expired, and while I will never buy the stuff off iTunes (bittorrented
xvids after 7 days anyone?) it's a step in the right direction to coaxing
the stuffy old-skool rights-holders and collection agencies into agreeing to
make their content available online digitally indefinitely. iTunes is but a
bend in the river with regards to digital content distribution, as far as
I'm concerned. In five years, it'll be just one player in a large,
data-wealthy arena of free market trade in digital content - or if it is
still around, it won't be around as we know it.
Brings an interesting meaning to the term Digital Economy, doesn't it?
Anyway, I can see exactly how (for me, at least) the concept and platform
that is the iPlayer is going to be my future incarnation of my browser start
page. I already have almost the same functionality, but disparate, and I
look forward to seeing the BBC bring it all together for the greater benefit
of the consumers of its output. I'm seeing interactivity-enabling,
short-range wireless modules for Olinda to tie its playback features into
the iPlayer API through a PC... A subscription-based, BBC Content
Distribution Network ('BBCDN', anyone?) through which you synchronise all
your devices with your personalised, individual listening and viewing
preferences, and of course the quality is assuredly high as you're getting
it direct from source... The future is bright, if a little confusing at the
moment.
I don't see how any of these concepts are too far-fetched, nor do I think
that the somewhat fractured approach the BBC (and others) is the worst way
to go. In 8-10 years, we'll look back on this period in time and realise how
really, all we're doing right now is experimenting in the sandpit. The best
is yet to come.
---
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information society in a knowledge economy. This page lists and rates
electronic resources related to the field [of knowledge based economy]...
Four buzzwords in the space of a breath! -
www.egovmonitor.com/features/riley07.html)
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RE: [backstage] Internet TV standard
Oh, and projects like Livestation and P2P Next. Competition, but not necessarily in the same arenas (public vs. private initially... Whose idea will spread to both? This is going to be exciting). Hat-tip also to the marvellously geeky bod at the Beeb for the inclusion of the Archimedes reference on the BBC Internet blog. Took me back to when I first got my A3000 :) - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Internet TV standard
At 02:24 + 26/2/08, Christopher Woods wrote: Hat-tip also to the marvellously geeky bod at the Beeb for the inclusion of the Archimedes reference on the BBC Internet blog. Took me back to when I first got my A3000 :) url ? f - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
