Re: [backstage] iPlayer DRM is over?

2008-03-08 Thread Dave Crossland
On 08/03/2008, Tim Dobson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  Dave Crossland wrote:
>  > So, who fancies cobbling together some code to automate this, to do
>  > what the BBC has failed to do all along - make a reasonable quality
>  > iPlayer download service for platforms other than Windows, which lacks
>
> what would it take to create a free software user friendly gui client
>  for iplayer as a result of this?

Matt Lee posted

http://exploringfreedom.org/2008/03/08/bbc-iplayer-on-gnu-linux-without-flash-using-only-free-software/

which explains how to do it manually :-)

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Re: [backstage] Undermining iPlayer DRM

2008-03-08 Thread Tim Dobson

Mr I Forrester wrote:

Well I knew this was coming... :)

Now I'm looking for some really innovative ways to view BBC iplayer 
content...

I think the Xbmc and Wii developers can now go off and build something.


heh. this is very interesting after our conversation at barcamp :D

dont worry. the innovation will arrive.
the more publicity this gets the more innovation there will be
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Re: [backstage] iPlayer DRM is over?

2008-03-08 Thread Tim Dobson

If this is true, this is great news.
Does anyone beeb-side have authorisation to comment?

Dave Crossland wrote:

So, who fancies cobbling together some code to automate this, to do
what the BBC has failed to do all along - make a reasonable quality
iPlayer download service for platforms other than Windows, which lacks


what would it take to create a free software user friendly gui client 
for iplayer as a result of this?


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Re: [backstage] iPlayer DRM is over?

2008-03-08 Thread ikwallace
> If I wasn't at Centerparcs right now you'd be looking at some kind of
> download script to pull down video automatically. I reckon that pretty
> much fills the protocol problem we were having with XBMC...

Very quick mod of my other script which worked out the RTMP URL. I've
stripped out a lot of that and changed it so that it calls wget on the
MP4 location instead, outputting to a sensible save file name:

  http://strawp.net/files/download/iplayer_dl.zip

Bit busy this weekend, but that's my 30 minute hack. I've only tested
it on one feed (Mad Men, ep1) and only under linux, but it seems quite
happy. Requires PHP5 and wget. Should work under Windows with tweaks
to a couple of lines.

Cheers,
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Re: [backstage] iPlayer DRM is over?

2008-03-08 Thread Dave Crossland
On 08/03/2008, Iain Wallace <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  >
>  >  http://www.flickr.com/photos/twindx/2316284105/
>
> Oh my goodness! That's made my day, that has :)

The official BBC view of the iPlayer roadmap seems to have been about
bringing it to the most popular platforms first, and that negotiating
without-DRM downloads from the 3rd party rights holders was
impossible.

Is the iPod Touch really a very popular platform?

Will the "user agent" DRM will be made stronger?

>  If I wasn't at Centerparcs right now you'd be looking at some kind of
>  download script to pull down video automatically. I reckon that pretty
>  much fills the protocol problem we were having with XBMC...

:-)

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Re: [backstage] Undermining iPlayer DRM

2008-03-08 Thread Sean DALY
Nick, I'm sorry, I'm giving up, with 2 browsers on 3 computers since
yesterday I get the same timeout error.

Sean



On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 6:33 PM, Nick Reynolds-FM&T
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> please do keep trying to comment Sean - some are getting through
>
>  
>
>  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Sean DALY
>  Sent: Fri 07/03/2008 5:15 PM
>
> To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
>  Subject: Re: [backstage] Undermining iPlayer DRM
>
>
>
>
>
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2008/03/bbc_iplayer_on_iphone_behind_t.html
>
>  My secret source :-)
>
>  I wanted to comment, but I got an http 502, there seems to be a problem.
>
>  Sean
>
>
>
>
>  On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 6:01 PM, Phil Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  > > With ideas like this being touted by the BBC for people to get content on
>  >  > different devices SANS usage or time restrictions, it seems bizarre that
>  >  > another part of the BBC produces iPlayer which is time limited and 
> device
>  >  > controlled.
>  >
>  >  I'm told that there is now an iPhone version of the iPlayer which streams 
> in h.264
>  >
>  >  Apparently /iplayer should work natively for iPhone users and there's 
> some more info on
>  >  http://myijump.com/bbciplayer/
>  >
>  >  Anyone got any more details about the streaming being used? Or is there 
> some already out
>  >  there that I've missed?
>  >
>  >  Cheers,
>  >
>  >  Phil
>  >
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Re: [backstage] iPlayer DRM is over?

2008-03-08 Thread Iain Wallace
On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 12:10 AM, Dave Crossland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 07/03/2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  > Quoting Dave Crossland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>  >
>  >  > It is bizarre that the BBC won't negotiate with 3rd party rights
>  >  > holders to secure non-DRM internet distribution.
>  >
>  > I doubt that the BBC "won't". It is possible to negotiate such a deal
>  >  (see "Where Are The Joneses"). But 3rd party rightsholders usually
>  >  think that it is not in their interests to do so, and so they don't.
>
>  Well, it turns out that in fact they just have :-)
>
>  http://www.flickr.com/photos/twindx/2316284105/
>
Oh my goodness! That's made my day, that has :)

If I wasn't at Centerparcs right now you'd be looking at some kind of
download script to pull down video automatically. I reckon that pretty
much fills the protocol problem we were having with XBMC...

Iain
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