Re: [backstage] Dave's going to love this one...
Brian Butterworth wrote: BBC set to name Erik Huggers as Ashley Highfield's successor It's now official: Press Release http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2008/07_july/18/huggers.shtml BBC News http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7513513.stm Nick Reynolds Blog Post http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2008/07/erik_huggers_is_new_director_o.html He starts his new job on the 1st of August. He will also be in the BBC Executive Board. Andy - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] Internet TV without streaming is like
Having to go fishing for your fish chips (ok, I'm not very good with metaphors - big deal ;) Anyway, Amazon's streaming now, too: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/17/technology/17amazon.html?_r=1scp=2sq=amazonst=cseoref=slogin ...It will also let users buy a TV show or movie without actually downloading the video file to the PC's hard drive... I believe this is the single viable option, and is true to the antything-anytime-anywhere-goes potential of the Internet and let's you forget about vendor lock-in due to DRM. (P2P-)Downloading is yesterday's beer. How long does it take to get a show with iPlayer? Are there any numbers comparing the flash version and the iPlayer client usage? All the best, Sebnem P.S. for the P2P-at-heart among you: I am specualting that Amazon's streaming makes use of P2P technology (as well as their EC2 and S3: http://www.allthingsdistributed.com/2007/10/amazons_dynamo.html ) Mit freundlichen Grüßen Sebnem Öztunali Siemens AG Corporate Technology Intelligent Autonomous Systems CT IC 6 Otto-Hahn-Ring 6 81739 München Tel.: +49 (89) 636-44127 Fax: +49 (89) 636-41423 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Siemens Aktiengesellschaft: Vorsitzender des Aufsichtsrats: Gerhard Cromme; Vorstand: Peter Löscher, Vorsitzender; Wolfgang Dehen, Heinrich Hiesinger, Joe Kaeser, Jim Reid-Anderson, Hermann Requardt, Siegfried Russwurm, Peter Y. Solmssen; Sitz der Gesellschaft: Berlin und München; Registergericht: Berlin Charlottenburg, HRB 12300, München, HRB 6684; WEEE-Reg.-Nr. DE 23691322 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Internet TV without streaming is like
Unofficial off-the-top-of-my-head: 11:1 streaming:download. So this means even more pressure for the ISPs (a good thing in my opinion - will speed them up figuring out a viable business model for all these bits to be delivered) - and maybe a little less flak for the BBC for shifting the TBs with iPlayer. ./Matt On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 1:57 PM, Oeztunali, Sebnem (CT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Having to go fishing for your fish chips (ok, I'm not very good with metaphors - big deal ;) Anyway, Amazon's streaming now, too: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/17/technology/17amazon.html?_r=1scp=2sq=amazonst=cseoref=slogin ...It will also let users buy a TV show or movie without actually downloading the video file to the PC's hard drive... I believe this is the single viable option, and is true to the antything-anytime-anywhere-goes potential of the Internet and let's you forget about vendor lock-in due to DRM. (P2P-)Downloading is yesterday's beer. How long does it take to get a show with iPlayer? Are there any numbers comparing the flash version and the iPlayer client usage? All the best, Sebnem P.S. for the P2P-at-heart among you: I am specualting that Amazon's streaming makes use of P2P technology (as well as their EC2 and S3: http://www.allthingsdistributed.com/2007/10/amazons_dynamo.html ) Mit freundlichen Grüßen Sebnem Öztunali Siemens AG Corporate Technology Intelligent Autonomous Systems CT IC 6 Otto-Hahn-Ring 6 81739 München Tel.: +49 (89) 636-44127 Fax: +49 (89) 636-41423 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Siemens Aktiengesellschaft: Vorsitzender des Aufsichtsrats: Gerhard Cromme; Vorstand: Peter Löscher, Vorsitzender; Wolfgang Dehen, Heinrich Hiesinger, Joe Kaeser, Jim Reid-Anderson, Hermann Requardt, Siegfried Russwurm, Peter Y. Solmssen; Sitz der Gesellschaft: Berlin und München; Registergericht: Berlin Charlottenburg, HRB 12300, München, HRB 6684; WEEE-Reg.-Nr. DE 23691322 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Internet TV without streaming is like
Here's some figures: ...while the number of those choosing to stream content outnumbers those that download content by 8:1... from http://uk.gizmodo.com/2008/01/16/bbc_iplayer_used_by_a_million.html, January 2008 ...Given that the ratio of downloads to streaming views runs at 1:8 for iPlayer, it remains to be seen if a downloader will be popular for the Mac platform... from http://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/3565-enterprising-soul-creates-bbc-iplayer-download-app-for-mac.html, May 2008 And from the BBC: ...Most programmes have a ratio of around eight streams for every download, but high-end drama, such as The Passion had over a quarter of its iPlayer consumption via the P2P download service... From http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2008/04/hidden_costs_of_watching_tv_on.html, 2nd April 2008. Shows are around 600MB, so downloading one of them at 1mbps is 80 minutes? ./Matt On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 2:41 PM, Matt Barber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unofficial off-the-top-of-my-head: 11:1 streaming:download. So this means even more pressure for the ISPs (a good thing in my opinion - will speed them up figuring out a viable business model for all these bits to be delivered) - and maybe a little less flak for the BBC for shifting the TBs with iPlayer. ./Matt On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 1:57 PM, Oeztunali, Sebnem (CT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Having to go fishing for your fish chips (ok, I'm not very good with metaphors - big deal ;) Anyway, Amazon's streaming now, too: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/17/technology/17amazon.html?_r=1scp=2sq=amazonst=cseoref=slogin ...It will also let users buy a TV show or movie without actually downloading the video file to the PC's hard drive... I believe this is the single viable option, and is true to the antything-anytime-anywhere-goes potential of the Internet and let's you forget about vendor lock-in due to DRM. (P2P-)Downloading is yesterday's beer. How long does it take to get a show with iPlayer? Are there any numbers comparing the flash version and the iPlayer client usage? All the best, Sebnem P.S. for the P2P-at-heart among you: I am specualting that Amazon's streaming makes use of P2P technology (as well as their EC2 and S3: http://www.allthingsdistributed.com/2007/10/amazons_dynamo.html ) Mit freundlichen Grüßen Sebnem Öztunali Siemens AG Corporate Technology Intelligent Autonomous Systems CT IC 6 Otto-Hahn-Ring 6 81739 München Tel.: +49 (89) 636-44127 Fax: +49 (89) 636-41423 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Siemens Aktiengesellschaft: Vorsitzender des Aufsichtsrats: Gerhard Cromme; Vorstand: Peter Löscher, Vorsitzender; Wolfgang Dehen, Heinrich Hiesinger, Joe Kaeser, Jim Reid-Anderson, Hermann Requardt, Siegfried Russwurm, Peter Y. Solmssen; Sitz der Gesellschaft: Berlin und München; Registergericht: Berlin Charlottenburg, HRB 12300, München, HRB 6684; WEEE-Reg.-Nr. DE 23691322 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Internet TV without streaming is like
It's still about 8:1 between streaming and download. Best not to confuse any issues around P2P with the general uses for download - when viewing content offline, at high quality, on a train or even transferring to mobile devices downloads will serve a particular user group and set of scenarios that Streaming can't. Streaming of course, offers very easy access to the widest audience and when the quality is good enough, it is good enough for most people.. Download speeds depend - it only takes a few minutes to download programmes on my broadband service (Virgin 20MB) but will of course vary for different people... Cheers, ::: John O'Donovan ::: Chief Architect, BBC FMT Journalism ::: BBC Broadcast Centre ::: 201 Wood Lane, London W12 7TS ::: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ::: http://www.bbc.co.uk http://www.bbc.co.uk/ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Barber Sent: 18 July 2008 14:46 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Internet TV without streaming is like Here's some figures: ...while the number of those choosing to stream content outnumbers those that download content by 8:1... from http://uk.gizmodo.com/2008/01/16/bbc_iplayer_used_by_a_million.html, January 2008 ...Given that the ratio of downloads to streaming views runs at 1:8 for iPlayer, it remains to be seen if a downloader will be popular for the Mac platform... from http://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/3565-enterprising-soul-creates-bbc-iplayer-download-app-for-mac.html, May 2008 And from the BBC: ...Most programmes have a ratio of around eight streams for every download, but high-end drama, such as The Passion had over a quarter of its iPlayer consumption via the P2P download service... From http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2008/04/hidden_costs_of_watching_tv_on.html, 2nd April 2008. Shows are around 600MB, so downloading one of them at 1mbps is 80 minutes? ./Matt On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 2:41 PM, Matt Barber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unofficial off-the-top-of-my-head: 11:1 streaming:download. So this means even more pressure for the ISPs (a good thing in my opinion - will speed them up figuring out a viable business model for all these bits to be delivered) - and maybe a little less flak for the BBC for shifting the TBs with iPlayer. ./Matt On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 1:57 PM, Oeztunali, Sebnem (CT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Having to go fishing for your fish chips (ok, I'm not very good with metaphors - big deal ;) Anyway, Amazon's streaming now, too: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/17/technology/17amazon.html?_r=1scp=2sq=amazonst=cseoref=slogin ...It will also let users buy a TV show or movie without actually downloading the video file to the PC's hard drive... I believe this is the single viable option, and is true to the antything-anytime-anywhere-goes potential of the Internet and let's you forget about vendor lock-in due to DRM. (P2P-)Downloading is yesterday's beer. How long does it take to get a show with iPlayer? Are there any numbers comparing the flash version and the iPlayer client usage? All the best, Sebnem P.S. for the P2P-at-heart among you: I am specualting that Amazon's streaming makes use of P2P technology (as well as their EC2 and S3: http://www.allthingsdistributed.com/2007/10/amazons_dynamo.html ) Mit freundlichen Grüßen Sebnem Öztunali Siemens AG Corporate Technology Intelligent Autonomous Systems CT IC 6 Otto-Hahn-Ring 6 81739 München Tel.: +49 (89) 636-44127 Fax: +49 (89) 636-41423 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Siemens Aktiengesellschaft: Vorsitzender des Aufsichtsrats: Gerhard Cromme; Vorstand: Peter Löscher, Vorsitzender; Wolfgang Dehen, Heinrich Hiesinger, Joe Kaeser, Jim Reid-Anderson, Hermann Requardt, Siegfried Russwurm, Peter Y. Solmssen; Sitz der Gesellschaft: Berlin und München; Registergericht: Berlin Charlottenburg, HRB 12300, München, HRB 6684; WEEE-Reg.-Nr. DE 23691322 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Internet TV without streaming is like
2008/7/18 Oeztunali, Sebnem (CT) [EMAIL PROTECTED]: ...It will also let users buy a TV show or movie without actually downloading the video file to the PC's hard drive... This statement is either misguided or lying. :-) I believe this is the single viable option, and is true to the antything-anytime-anywhere-goes potential of the Internet What about the the antything-anytime-anywhere-goes potential of portable computers not connected to the Internet 100% of the time? and let's you forget about vendor lock-in due to DRM. This used to be true but sadly isn't any more - Adobe Flash based video streaming includes actual DRM. Also, streaming is often (mistakenly) perceived as a form of DRM. (P2P-)Downloading is yesterday's beer. ... I am specualting that Amazon's streaming makes use of P2P technology ;-) Cheers, Dave Personal opinion only. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Internet TV without streaming is like
2008/7/18 John O'Donovan [EMAIL PROTECTED]: It's still about 8:1 between streaming and download. Thanks for confirming this :-) - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Internet TV without streaming is like
Dave Crossland wrote: 2008/7/18 Oeztunali, Sebnem (CT) [EMAIL PROTECTED]: ...It will also let users buy a TV show or movie without actually downloading the video file to the PC's hard drive... This statement is either misguided or lying. :-) Why should it be either? It's possible to buy something without having to take physical possession of it. - Rob. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Internet TV without streaming is like
2008/7/18 John O'Donovan [EMAIL PROTECTED]: It's still about 8:1 between streaming and download. Thanks for confirming this :-) Empirical or based on hard stats? (if there's a recent study I'd be interested to know, as it could come in useful for my final year dissertation) - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Internet TV without streaming is like
On 7/18/08, Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/7/18 Oeztunali, Sebnem (CT) [EMAIL PROTECTED]: ...It will also let users buy a TV show or movie without actually downloading the video file to the PC's hard drive... This statement is either misguided or lying. :-) Not necessarily. It didn't say the video wasn't downloaded - just that it wasn't downloaded to the hard drive. It could be being held in RAM. (two can play at this game!) Though I'll admit it's much more likely that it *is* going to the hard drive. - Ciaran. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Internet TV without streaming is like
Based on stats - I don't have an off the shelf study to hand that I can release, but as indicated elsewhere, it is true that the number of downloads versus streams is influenced on a day to day basis depending on the type of content available. If there is interest in more stats then let me know. Cheers, jod From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Christopher Woods Sent: Fri 7/18/2008 23:43 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] Internet TV without streaming is like 2008/7/18 John O'Donovan [EMAIL PROTECTED]: It's still about 8:1 between streaming and download. Thanks for confirming this :-) Empirical or based on hard stats? (if there's a recent study I'd be interested to know, as it could come in useful for my final year dissertation) - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Internet TV without streaming is like
2008/7/18 Ciaran Hamilton [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 7/18/08, Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/7/18 Oeztunali, Sebnem (CT) [EMAIL PROTECTED]: without actually downloading the video file to the PC's hard drive... This statement is either misguided or lying. :-) Not necessarily. It didn't say the video wasn't downloaded - just that it wasn't downloaded to the hard drive. It could be being held in RAM. (two can play at this game!) Though I'll admit it's much more likely that it *is* going to the hard drive. lol - Sadly I don't think my little 512Mb RAM laptop will be able to hold too much video in RAM ;-) Cheers, Dave Personal opinion only. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
