Re: [backstage] Why the poor bitrates on World Service, Asian Network etc?

2008-12-10 Thread Brian Butterworth
Nice to see this...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2008/dec/10/digital-radio-radio

2008/10/21 Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 2008/10/21 Ant Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Having said that, and my earlier point about low bit rates actually
 being better for reaching the audiences they're tyring to get to, the
 higher bit rates do exist.  If anyone in backstage would like to
 suggest something we could do with better quality streams at low cost
 (i.e. none!) then fire away!



 The UK audience's bitrate doesn't need to be the same as for other areas,
 and there are lots of different services worldwide...

 *BUT* my DAB rescue plan:

 - BBC given 'national commercial multiplex 2' on five-year loan
 - BBC doubles up all it's DAB TX sites to do this mux
 - BBC emits DAB+ version of all services - boost audio quality for all
 services
 - Restricted national commercial bandwidth drives up DAB slot values
 - BBC promotes upgrade to DAB+ for all existing users!
 - After five years, BBC moves it's national mux to DAB+, returns com mux 2.
 - Com Mux 2 for new DAB+ services
 - Then Com Mux 1 moves to DAB+

 Then the BBC can promote the true CD quality DAB+ get it now service,
 people have five years to upgrade all their DAB sets.




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 On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 10:39 AM, Brian Butterworth
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  2008/10/21 Christopher Woods [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
  This one's a late night, in-the-kitchen thought. I turned the radio on
  while
  I was making a cup of tea and of course, after R4 closedown the WS is
  simulcast. On FM, you get a wonderful, crisp stereo feed. On DAB, the
 WS
  feed is fine when listening to the Radio 4 simulcast, 128kbps stereo,
 but
  its own dedicated slot is naff: a 64kbps mono stream. On the web, it's
  even
  worse - only streamed at 32kbps WMA/RA. AsianNetwork is 64kbps mono on
 DAB
  -
  even 5Live has a better bitrate (80kbps mono).
 
  It is probably worth pointing out that the World Service, unlike all
 other
  BBC services is paid for out of direct taxation.   Thus the service has
 an
  even more limited budget than License Fee services, it is down to the
 FCO
 
 http://www.fco.gov.uk/en/about-the-fco/what-we-do/funding-programmes/public-diplomacy/world-service
 
 
  While I'm not a big Asian Network listener, I do live in Brum so take a
  bit
  of an interest in Asian community goings on. However, I'd quite like to
  listen to the WS during the daytime, either via the web or via DAB -
 how
  come the bitrates haven't been upped for these stations on the web
  streams?
  They're dragging behind the other BBC radio stations' online streams.
 Are
  there any plans to ever up the bandwidth of these neglected stations,
  either
  on DAB, on the web or both? I'm under the impression that the maximum
  bitrate for the multiplex is 1184kbps useable. According to
  DigitalRadioTech
  [1], the pre2002 bitrates were significantly higher (which I remember),
  and
  I can understand the reasons for lowering the bitrates to fit in the
 newer
  channels. The web's a different matter entirely though. What's stopping
  the
  Beeb from upping the bitrates for all the online streams to the same
  bitrate?
 
  (and will the bitrates ever go above 128kbps? I'd love a 192kbps or
  256kbps
  stream, particularly for... Well, all of the radio stations!)
 
 
  And also, as a final question - how come the iPlayer pages for *all* of
  the
  radio stations are currently reporting each one as being currently
  off-air?
  Have the boxes doing the encoding and streaming been taken offline for
  work
  overnight or something? If someone aboard the HMS Sceptre is browsing
 the
  Radio 4 iPlayer site and sees that it's currently offair, they might
 think
  Britain is under attack and launch some Tridents at the Soviets.
 Wouldn't
  *that* be an interesting one for Gordon Brown to try and explain!
 
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RE: [backstage] Why the poor bitrates on World Service, Asian Network etc?

2008-12-10 Thread Christopher Woods
 


Nice to see this... 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2008/dec/10/digital-radio-radio 
 

As long as they don't get rid of birdsong... There might be a small revolt
if that happened 


Re: [backstage] Why the poor bitrates on World Service, Asian Network etc?

2008-12-10 Thread Brian Butterworth
2008/12/10 Christopher Woods [EMAIL PROTECTED]



 Nice to see this...
 http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2008/dec/10/digital-radio-radio


 As long as they don't get rid of birdsong... There might be a small revolt
 if that happened


Isn't that just a long running ad for Twitter?  ;-)






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[backstage] Excuse the rant....

2008-12-10 Thread Peter Bowyer
iPlayer thinks that the Hilton Hotel, Leeds is outside the UK.
Doubtless because Hilton's hotel broadband is provided by 'i-Bahn',
which sounds suspiciously German.

Good job I have some downloaded video to watch, that's all.

/rant
(Apologies to those Twitter friends who have enjoyed this rant already)

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RE: [backstage] Why the poor bitrates on World Service, Asian Network etc?

2008-12-10 Thread Christopher Woods
 


 


Nice to see this... 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2008/dec/10/digital-radio-radio 
 

As long as they don't get rid of birdsong... There might be a small revolt
if that happened


Isn't that just a long running ad for Twitter?  ;-) 
 

That's a chirp joke.


Re: [backstage] Excuse the rant....

2008-12-10 Thread Mr I Forrester
Yes we've all experienced this time to time.

I have this at every Holiday Inn hotel I stay at.

On Wed, 2008-12-10 at 18:17 +, Peter Bowyer wrote:
 iPlayer thinks that the Hilton Hotel, Leeds is outside the UK.
 Doubtless because Hilton's hotel broadband is provided by 'i-Bahn',
 which sounds suspiciously German.
 
 Good job I have some downloaded video to watch, that's all.
 
 /rant
 (Apologies to those Twitter friends who have enjoyed this rant already)
 

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