Re: [backstage] If you had a ton of content to freely distribute
I am really looking forward to this Ian. I have remixed real data... ie music and video, all my life. Having some from the BBC will be absolutely wonderful. Best wishes RichE P.S. Not really in the same world as the BBC - yet Digidesign have over the last couple of years moved to the following improvements it is now possible to share files internally with other users using Digidelivery and recently they have changed the system so that multiple Protools systems can be used in sync. This means that work can be shared very easily now, whilst still being governed by the software. I know that this isn't exactly free yet worth noting when one thinks of projects done using Avid and Protools. Hence it is becoming very easy to exchange data which includes a clear working method. R On 20 Jan 2009, at 17:21, Ian Forrester wrote: Wow thanks guys. I don't want to get into a discussion about the footage per-se because that's not the important thing. So to answer the points about the packaging. I didn't know Tar was just a way to pack together files with no compression. Now tar.gz makes sense to me :) The reason why we would like to Tar the files together is because of things like subtitles, artwork, cuts of music, other metadata pieces, etc. We're not just talking a collection of video files. I guess we're also thinking about the 5% of the audience who would actually do a remix with the raw project files. This would be on going rather that a one off, so we need the ability to handle everything from low rez 3gp files to ultra high rez animations at stupid frame rates Delivery, Seems BitTorrent, P2Pnext (tribler) and the internet archive are the best solutions by a long way. I did speak to people about how we pass footage around internally and the answer was via hard drives. There was some thought in the past about having drop off points in major cities where you can get all the footage in one go by bringing your 1TB drive for example. Sneakernet, or what ever they now call it. Licensing, I think we'll use something like CC-BY-NC (although I totally understand the arguments against NC, Dave) CC-BY-NC-SA is tempting due to the nature of the content. I do wonder how we keep the licence in tack even when the assets are broken up and reused? Maybe we should be looking into watermarking or some adobe xmp type system? This would also be useful for figuring out reach. Lots to think about... But once I got the footage cleared and sorted you guys will be first to know. We're planning to be as open as possible about the whole experience. Ian Forrester This e-mail is: [] private; [x] ask first; [] bloggable Senior Producer, BBC Backstage Room 1044, BBC Manchester BH, Oxford Road, M60 1SJ email: ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk work: +44 (0)2080083965 mob: +44 (0)7711913293 -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk ] On Behalf Of Jim Tonge Sent: 19 January 2009 23:59 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] If you had a ton of content to freely distribute +1 BitTorrent +1 MP4 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html . Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html . Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] Events of interest
Hi All, The Backstage team has finally updated the Backstage Calendar. Not only does the 2009 remix have the events were going to be at and taking part in. It also includes events which we wish we could attend. The subscribable ical - http://www.google.com/calendar/ical/q7frqh0v016rki1769l9d7jlro%40group.calendar.google.com/public/basic.ics Here's for example a event you may have missed. http://rewiredstate.org Government isn't very good at computers. They spend millions to produce mediocre websites, hide away really useful public information and generally get it wrong. Which is a shame. Calling all people who make things. We're going to show them how it's done. If you can make things, and think you can do better than government. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Events of interest
great - thanks for this Christian Ahlert c...@openbusiness.cc On 23 Jan 2009, at 15:23, Ian Forrester wrote: Hi All, The Backstage team has finally updated the Backstage Calendar. Not only does the 2009 remix have the events were going to be at and taking part in. It also includes events which we wish we could attend. The subscribable ical - http://www.google.com/calendar/ical/ q7frqh0v016rki1769l9d7jlro%40group.calendar.google.com/public/ basic.ics Here's for example a event you may have missed. http://rewiredstate.org Government isn't very good at computers. They spend millions to produce mediocre websites, hide away really useful public information and generally get it wrong. Which is a shame. Calling all people who make things. We're going to show them how it's done. If you can make things, and think you can do better than government. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/ mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail- archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Events of interest
Great stuff. Just want to point out one that isn't on the calendar Feb 20th in NYC Times Open - APIs and Powering Your Projects With The New York Times Featuring Guest Speaker Tim O'Reilly http://www.nytimes.com/marketing/timesopen/index.html d On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 10:28 AM, Christian Ahlert c...@openbusiness.cc wrote: great - thanks for this Christian Ahlert c...@openbusiness.cc On 23 Jan 2009, at 15:23, Ian Forrester wrote: Hi All, The Backstage team has finally updated the Backstage Calendar. Not only does the 2009 remix have the events were going to be at and taking part in. It also includes events which we wish we could attend. The subscribable ical - http://www.google.com/calendar/ical/q7frqh0v016rki1769l9d7jlro%40group.calendar.google.com/public/basic.ics Here's for example a event you may have missed. http://rewiredstate.org Government isn't very good at computers. They spend millions to produce mediocre websites, hide away really useful public information and generally get it wrong. Which is a shame. Calling all people who make things. We're going to show them how it's done. If you can make things, and think you can do better than government. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] If you had a ton of content to freely distribute
On 19/01/2009 18:36, Ian Forrester ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk wrote: Say, we had a ton of media assets from a BBC programme which we owned all the rights to and wanted to distribute widely. Not just video, but images, sound, subtitles, metadata about the programme scripts, etc. How would you 1. Package it? We were considering MXF - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MXF but it looks difficult and time consuming to build, however the BBC did help build it so we could get help. Matroska, Nut and QuickTime are also look worthy. The point of view of an MXF advocate ... MXF is widely used at the professional end and capable of your requirements ... and the reasons why it is not easy to engage with straight out of the box is the shopping list that kicked off the standard. For example, efficient bit streams for file exchange between broadcast kit was more of a priority than human-readable XML. Also, MXF understands video frames and interleaves all the content so you can watch or listen to the streams as they transfer ... no waiting to unpack the package after transfer only to find out if it is the right one. As it is a media-specific standard, you can represent edit decision lists and metadata from the material essence ... could be a great way to do collaborative editing? You can distribute the large source clips once and then transfer lightweight EDLs around. MXF is an open standard and free to implement. The downside ... you need specialist tooling/APIs to get at the content. I was surprised to find that no Java API existing for MXF and its sister standard AAF, so I'm in the process of writing one (in development). http://majapi.sourceforge.net/ More complete C-based APIs are available here ... http://aaf.sourceforge.net/ http://www.freemxf.org/ In addition, a new XML format is now defined for MXF metadata which could be used in a tar or zip container, sidestepping the need for quite so much specialist (though free) tooling. Cheers, Richard -- Dr Richard Cartwright media systems architect portability4media.com rich...@portability4media.com mobile +44 (0)7792 799930 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Events of interest
Done :) Ian Forrester This e-mail is: [x] private; [] ask first; [] bloggable Senior Producer, BBC Backstage Room 1044, BBC Manchester BH, Oxford Road, M60 1SJ email: ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk work: +44 (0)1612444063 mob: +44 (0)7711913293 -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Derek Gottfrid Sent: 23 January 2009 15:59 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Events of interest Great stuff. Just want to point out one that isn't on the calendar Feb 20th in NYC Times Open - APIs and Powering Your Projects With The New York Times Featuring Guest Speaker Tim O'Reilly http://www.nytimes.com/marketing/timesopen/index.html d On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 10:28 AM, Christian Ahlert c...@openbusiness.cc wrote: great - thanks for this Christian Ahlert c...@openbusiness.cc On 23 Jan 2009, at 15:23, Ian Forrester wrote: Hi All, The Backstage team has finally updated the Backstage Calendar. Not only does the 2009 remix have the events were going to be at and taking part in. It also includes events which we wish we could attend. The subscribable ical - http://www.google.com/calendar/ical/q7frqh0v016rki1769l9d7jlro%40group .calendar.google.com/public/basic.ics Here's for example a event you may have missed. http://rewiredstate.org Government isn't very good at computers. They spend millions to produce mediocre websites, hide away really useful public information and generally get it wrong. Which is a shame. Calling all people who make things. We're going to show them how it's done. If you can make things, and think you can do better than government. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Events of interest
2009/1/23 Ian Forrester ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk: The subscribable ical - http://www.google.com/calendar/ical/q7frqh0v016rki1769l9d7jlro%40group.calendar.google.com/public/basic.ics HTML Version: http://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=q7frqh0v016rki1769l9d7jlro%40group.calendar.google.com -- I forgot what I wanted to have as a signature. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
