RE: [backstage] BBC programme about Open Source being made ?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2009/07/tim_bernerslee_and_the_di gital.html You mean this I think - its not a series about open source it's a open source documentary about the web -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of David Greaves Sent: 13 July 2009 23:27 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] BBC programme about Open Source being made ? I heard (from a colleague in the US) that the BBC were making a programme or series about open source. Anyone here know anything about it or anyone involved? David -- Don't worry, you'll be fine; I saw it work in a cartoon once... - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] What's the calendar app?
On Tue, 2009-07-14 at 04:23 +0100, Nico Morrison wrote: Realised that about 30 secs after emailing, thanks for no sarcasm. I think I am surprised that Backstage is using a proprietary embedded closed-source program for this. I thought it would be an open-source app. I do not trust Google, nor Facebook, nor Microsoft, etc, etc .. I use them all - to the minimum that enables my work. For example my Gmail fowards to other accounts that I hold locally. It's always a Don't you think that they might retain your emails anyhow even when forwarded? compromise between trust, security usability. I try to spread closed-source risks. We have only to look at Geocities to see the long-term risks. They also ruled the world once. I suppose you at BBC Backstage are forced by time money constraints to employ closed-source, it is a shame. I'd still like tips on any calendar/database apps that fit into Drupal as I'm a Drupal neophyte with a real need. Regards, Nico Morrison - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] What's the calendar app?
Good lord - of course they store them! I am using Gmail! the question is can they be relied upon to keep them indefinitely or will they either be hacked or go bankrupt or just decide to screw us? Darn I have to say all this again. I regularly clear sensitive emails from Gmail keep them in .pst files offline. On dual external hard drives. Not mirrored - dual independent hard drives. Every few years I buy another external drive or two for this and other backups. Offsite copies are made to DVD or CD. I have 12 years of both my private email my company emails stored in this way. Private is 300+MB and company 3.8GB (is actually an Exchange archive now since I sold the company). Calendar app, open-source, using Drupal - anyone? Nico Morrison 2009/7/14 Phil Lewis backst...@linuxcentre.net On Tue, 2009-07-14 at 04:23 +0100, Nico Morrison wrote: Realised that about 30 secs after emailing, thanks for no sarcasm. I think I am surprised that Backstage is using a proprietary embedded closed-source program for this. I thought it would be an open-source app. I do not trust Google, nor Facebook, nor Microsoft, etc, etc .. I use them all - to the minimum that enables my work. For example my Gmail fowards to other accounts that I hold locally. It's always a Don't you think that they might retain your emails anyhow even when forwarded? compromise between trust, security usability. I try to spread closed-source risks. We have only to look at Geocities to see the long-term risks. They also ruled the world once. I suppose you at BBC Backstage are forced by time money constraints to employ closed-source, it is a shame. I'd still like tips on any calendar/database apps that fit into Drupal as I'm a Drupal neophyte with a real need. Regards, Nico Morrison - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] What's the calendar app?
Nico, Calendar app, open-source, using Drupal - anyone? WebCalendar 1.1 do you? It doesnt seem to be supported anymore though http://drupal.org/project/modules?filters=tid:61solrsort=sort_title%20desc This page may be of some use: http://www.roseindia.net/opensource/open-source-calendar.shtml Good luck Alia - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] What's the calendar app?
Much appreciated Alia, My Drupal guru says that's the trouble with Drupal modules have to check for recent activity since back-compatibility is not mandatory in Drupal Core updates. Hu . further investigations, Nico M 2009/7/14 Alia Sheikh alia.she...@rd.bbc.co.uk Nico, Calendar app, open-source, using Drupal - anyone? WebCalendar 1.1 do you? It doesnt seem to be supported anymore though http://drupal.org/project/modules?filters=tid:61solrsort=sort_title%20desc This page may be of some use: http://www.roseindia.net/opensource/open-source-calendar.shtml Good luck Alia - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] What's the calendar app?
Surprised no one jumped in already, We've been clear that we're going to switch to the totally open source project Calagator very soon. http://www.calagator.org Calagator is a unified calendar for the technology community of Portland, Oregon. Unlike most solutions I've seen, its built around community events not just calendaring. That's a important distinction, its like the difference between upcoming.org and outlook calendar. I'm hoping with our support of the platform, we can build plugins to not only read from upcoming and facebook but also maybe write to them in some cases. The base is there, we just need to get it setup which is a little tricky because its RoR. If anyone would like to help speed up this process, give me a shout and maybe we'll come to some deal. Cheers, Ian Forrester This e-mail is: []secret; [x]private; []public Senior Producer, BBC Backstage, BBC RD Room 1044, BBC Manchester BH, Oxford Road, M60 1SJ email: ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk work: +44 (0)1612444063 | mob: +44 (0)7711913293 -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Alia Sheikh Sent: 14 July 2009 10:42 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] What's the calendar app? Nico, Calendar app, open-source, using Drupal - anyone? WebCalendar 1.1 do you? It doesnt seem to be supported anymore though http://drupal.org/project/modules?filters=tid:61solrsort=sort_title%20desc This page may be of some use: http://www.roseindia.net/opensource/open-source-calendar.shtml Good luck Alia - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] What's the calendar app?
As a G1 user, I am happy to have clicked on the link on the page and now the backstage calendar is on my phone 2009/7/14 Ian Forrester ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk Surprised no one jumped in already, We've been clear that we're going to switch to the totally open source project Calagator very soon. I wonder if it can do repeats on the last day of the month and the last weekday of the month, which Google Caldendar can't do? Wordperfect Office (aka Novell Groupwise) could do that back in '88. http://www.calagator.org Calagator is a unified calendar for the technology community of Portland, Oregon. Unlike most solutions I've seen, its built around community events not just calendaring. That's a important distinction, its like the difference between upcoming.org and outlook calendar. I'm hoping with our support of the platform, we can build plugins to not only read from upcoming and facebook but also maybe write to them in some cases. The base is there, we just need to get it setup which is a little tricky because its RoR. If anyone would like to help speed up this process, give me a shout and maybe we'll come to some deal. Cheers, Ian Forrester This e-mail is: []secret; [x]private; []public Senior Producer, BBC Backstage, BBC RD Room 1044, BBC Manchester BH, Oxford Road, M60 1SJ email: ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk work: +44 (0)1612444063 | mob: +44 (0)7711913293 -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Alia Sheikh Sent: 14 July 2009 10:42 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] What's the calendar app? Nico, Calendar app, open-source, using Drupal - anyone? WebCalendar 1.1 do you? It doesnt seem to be supported anymore though http://drupal.org/project/modules?filters=tid:61solrsort=sort_title%20desc This page may be of some use: http://www.roseindia.net/opensource/open-source-calendar.shtml Good luck Alia - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Brian Butterworth follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/briantist web: http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002
Re: [backstage] Mobile sites - how wide
http://blueflavor.com/blog/2006/jul/21/designing-for-mobile/ + seaqrch for Brian Fling + Mobile for lots of extra info. Also SimpleBit¹s Dan Cederholm has done a bunch of googlable mobile stuff. On 14/07/2009 15:09, Brian Butterworth briant...@freeview.tv wrote: Hi, I've been looking at adapting some sites to work better on mobile devices. I can do the stripping down everything to text and minimal graphics and so on, that's the easy bit. Does anyone know of anything reliable that can tell me the width in pixels of the device? I was hoping that Glow would cover this, but it does't. -- Brian Butterworth follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/briantist web: http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002 This message (and any associated files) is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is confidential, subject to copyright or constitutes a trade secret. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, copying or distribution of this message, or files associated with this message, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. Messages sent to and from us may be monitored. Internet communications cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. Therefore, we do not accept responsibility for any errors or omissions that are present in this message, or any attachment, that have arisen as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required, please request a hard-copy version. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the company. Alun Rowe Pentangle Internet Limited 2 Buttermarket Thame Oxfordshire OX9 3EW Tel: +44 8700 339905 Fax: +44 8700 339906 Please direct all support requests to mailto:it-supp...@pentangle.co.uk Pentangle Internet Limited is a limited company registered in England and Wales. Registered number: 3960918. Registered office: 1 Lauras Close, Great Staughton, Cambridgeshire PE19 5DP
Re: [backstage] Mobile sites - how wide
Maybe I've missed the point here, but: script type=text/javascript document.write(screen.width+'x'+screen.height); /script Or is that not reliable? Cheers, R. On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 3:09 PM, Brian Butterworthbriant...@freeview.tv wrote: Hi, I've been looking at adapting some sites to work better on mobile devices. I can do the stripping down everything to text and minimal graphics and so on, that's the easy bit. Does anyone know of anything reliable that can tell me the width in pixels of the device? I was hoping that Glow would cover this, but it does't. -- Brian Butterworth follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/briantist web: http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Mobile sites - how wide
The problem I had with Javascript before was that quite a lot of time it is disabled, and that it is usually better with mobile devices to sort all the formatting out on the server, as almost every mobile browser I know sucks. 2009/7/14 Richard Lockwood richard.lockw...@gmail.com Maybe I've missed the point here, but: script type=text/javascript document.write(screen.width+'x'+screen.height); /script Or is that not reliable? Cheers, R. On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 3:09 PM, Brian Butterworthbriant...@freeview.tv wrote: Hi, I've been looking at adapting some sites to work better on mobile devices. I can do the stripping down everything to text and minimal graphics and so on, that's the easy bit. Does anyone know of anything reliable that can tell me the width in pixels of the device? I was hoping that Glow would cover this, but it does't. -- Brian Butterworth follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/briantist web: http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Brian Butterworth follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/briantist web: http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002
Re: [backstage] Mobile sites - how wide
Tom Thanks. That very much looks like the one. 2009/7/14 Tom Hannen tomhan...@gmail.com http://wurfl.sourceforge.net/ On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 3:09 PM, Brian Butterworthbriant...@freeview.tv wrote: Hi, I've been looking at adapting some sites to work better on mobile devices. I can do the stripping down everything to text and minimal graphics and so on, that's the easy bit. Does anyone know of anything reliable that can tell me the width in pixels of the device? I was hoping that Glow would cover this, but it does't. -- Brian Butterworth follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/briantist web: http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Brian Butterworth follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/briantist web: http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002
Re: [backstage] Mobile sites - how wide
Try a search for UAProf and Wurfl. The latter is prolly simplest. It is a centrally maintained file. Fetch the XML file at https://sourceforge.net/projects/wurfl/files/ regularly - and preparse - or use the sample code. It basically contains somethng like device id=nokia_generic_series90_dp20 user_agent=Nokia 90 Developer Platform 2.0 fall_back=nokia_generic_series80_dp20 group id=product_info capability name=nokia_series value=90/ capability name=nokia_edition value=1/ /group Followed by a 100 odd bits of extra info: like: group id=display capability name=max_image_width value=120/ capability name=resolution_width value=128/ capability name=resolution_height value=120/ capability name=max_image_height value=128/ /group all the way to the downright obscure. group id=streaming capability name=streaming_acodec_aac value=lc/ /group group id=deprecated capability name=streaming_video_acodec_aac value=true/ /group /device device id=uptext_generic user_agent=UP.Browser/4 fall_back=generic group id=wml_ui capability name=icons_on_menu_items_support value=true/ capability name=opwv_wml_extensions_support value=true/ capability name=built_in_back_button_support value=true/ capability name=proportional_font value=true/ capability name=wizards_recommended value=true/ capability name=softkey_support value=true/ Dw. (Who is now wondering if we should make this an even easier/'free-er' service on PAL Forge). Brian Butterworth wrote: The problem I had with Javascript before was that quite a lot of time it is disabled, and that it is usually better with mobile devices to sort all the formatting out on the server, as almost every mobile browser I know sucks. 2009/7/14 Richard Lockwood richard.lockw...@gmail.com mailto:richard.lockw...@gmail.com Maybe I've missed the point here, but: script type=text/javascript document.write(screen.width+'x'+screen.height); /script Or is that not reliable? Cheers, R. On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 3:09 PM, Brian Butterworthbriant...@freeview.tv mailto:briant...@freeview.tv wrote: Hi, I've been looking at adapting some sites to work better on mobile devices. I can do the stripping down everything to text and minimal graphics and so on, that's the easy bit. Does anyone know of anything reliable that can tell me the width in pixels of the device? I was hoping that Glow would cover this, but it does't. -- Brian Butterworth follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/briantist web: http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk http://backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Brian Butterworth follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/briantist web: http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Mobile sites - how wide
Brian Butterworth wrote: 2009/7/14 Dirk-Willem van Gulik di...@webweaving.org mailto:di...@webweaving.org Try a search for UAProf and Wurfl. The latter is prolly simplest. It is a centrally maintained file. Fetch the XML file at https://sourceforge.net/projects/wurfl/files/ regularly - and preparse - or use the sample code. (Who is now wondering if we should make this an even easier/'free-er' service on PAL Forge). That will be me. Feel free to have a chat with me (or Lars, or Graham) for inspiration as to how we could do something at a very low PHP or Apache layer (e.g. with a bit of berkelydb, annotation moduling or memcache) - as to make the cost incredibly low (i.e. so you can do it on any request - and have little need to copy it in your session profile). Thanks, Dw
