[backstage-developer] WARN: backstage developer only list going down this weekend
This is the last call guys, the developer only list is going away at the end of the week. -- Hi Everyone, The developer only list (backstage-developer) was setup when there was massive amounts of traffic on the main list, however in recent months the traffic on the list has dropped and we are only seeing one or two posts on the developer only list. So we're looking to shutdown the developer only list and bring some unity and balance back to the main list. I understand this won't be supported by many of you, but we did give you the chance to feedback. So by the end of the week, we will shutdown the list and anyone attached to that list will be automatically unsubscribed. Big thanks to everyone who subscribed to the developer only list, I really hope you do re-subscribe to the main mailing list, which is much quieter now. It was considered to automatically move people across to the main list but it didn't seem fair. So if your interested in joining the main list again, just ping Major-domo a email on backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk with the subject subscribe. Cheers, Ian Forrester This e-mail is: []secret; []private; [x]public Senior Producer, BBC Backstage, BBC RD Room 1044, BBC Manchester BH, Oxford Road, M60 1SJ email: ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk work: +44 (0)1612444063 | mob: +44 (0)7711913293 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk developer discussion group. To unsubscribe, please send an email to majord...@lists.bbc.co.uk with unsubscribe backstage-developer [your email] as the message.
Re: [backstage-developer] Stuck in Web 1.0...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006qrzz ? http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006qpgr ? 2009/7/15 Mick mick2...@hotmail.com Hi, I got to this list from a Radio 4 message board question, I’m not sure if this is the right place for my question but I appreciate any help you can give, though I must admit I definitely feel old school. I was using a web page that has short-cuts to various BBC radio programmes. (It runs mainly on a very old laptop, running Win98, but works marvelously as an internet radio). I had created a bunch of static links but recent changes on the BBC website have made these invalid. For example for the Afternoon Play I had created the following HTML Afternoon Play – a href=rtsp://rmv8.bbc.net.uk/radio4/1415_mon.raMonday/a a href=rtsp://rmv8.bbc.net.uk/radio4/1415_tue.raTuesday/a a href=rtsp://rmv8.bbc.net.uk/radio4/1415_wed.raWednesday/a a href=rtsp://rmv8.bbc.net.uk/radio4/1415_thu.raThursday/a a href=rtsp://rmv8.bbc.net.uk/radio4/1415_fri.raFriday/a br Note: The laptop ‘prefers’ to play the Realplayer link rather than iPlayer, which it can cope with but does struggle. Is there a way I can setup a webpage that would allow one-click access to available Afternoon Plays, Archers etc.? (from my research it seems that each Archer episode is now a different URL, and I have been unable to decipher if there is a predictable pattern to the format). Apologies if this is not the right place for this question. Cheers Mick Hanrahan -- Brian Butterworth follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/briantist web: http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002
Re: [backstage-developer] WARN: backstage developer only list going down this weekend
2009/7/15 Ian Forrester ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk This is the last call guys, the developer only list is going away at the end of the week. -- Hi Everyone, The developer only list (backstage-developer) was setup when there was massive amounts of traffic on the main list, ...and then I bust my shoulder? however in recent months the traffic on the list has dropped and we are only seeing one or two posts on the developer only list. So we're looking to shutdown the developer only list and bring some unity and balance back to the main list. I understand this won't be supported by many of you, but we did give you the chance to feedback. So by the end of the week, we will shutdown the list and anyone attached to that list will be automatically unsubscribed. Big thanks to everyone who subscribed to the developer only list, I really hope you do re-subscribe to the main mailing list, which is much quieter now. It was considered to automatically move people across to the main list but it didn't seem fair. So if your interested in joining the main list again, just ping Major-domo a email on backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk with the subject subscribe. Cheers, Ian Forrester This e-mail is: []secret; []private; [x]public Senior Producer, BBC Backstage, BBC RD Room 1044, BBC Manchester BH, Oxford Road, M60 1SJ email: ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk work: +44 (0)1612444063 | mob: +44 (0)7711913293 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk developer discussion group. To unsubscribe, please send an email to majord...@lists.bbc.co.uk with unsubscribe backstage-developer [your email] as the message. -- Brian Butterworth follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/briantist web: http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002
Re: [backstage-developer] Stuck in Web 1.0...
there are program codes, series codes and episode codes. The best answer to your original question I can think of, is to use rss feeds to get episode codes from program codes, then use iplayer to play them. I don't know if it is still possible to reference a program with a code and automatically get the most recent show. It should be using rss feeds, but that will take some programming know how. On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 9:15 PM, Mick mick2...@hotmail.com wrote: Thanks Brian, do you know if these are actual ‘static’ links? That is, if I click on b006qpgr next week (or even tomorrow) will it display the current Archers episodes available? (Of course, I will check tomorrow to see the links are still valid). http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006qpgr/episodes/player seems more comprehensive but still does not include the Omnibus. PS If it is a static link (which would be great) would http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/Archers have been a more descriptive URL? -- *From:* owner-backstage-develo...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto: owner-backstage-develo...@lists.bbc.co.uk] *On Behalf Of *Brian Butterworth *Sent:* Wednesday, July 15, 2009 2:00 PM *To:* backstage-developer@lists.bbc.co.uk *Subject:* Re: [backstage-developer] Stuck in Web 1.0... http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006qrzz ? http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006qpgr ? 2009/7/15 Mick mick2...@hotmail.com Hi, I got to this list from a Radio 4 message board question, I’m not sure if this is the right place for my question but I appreciate any help you can give, though I must admit I definitely feel old school. I was using a web page that has short-cuts to various BBC radio programmes. (It runs mainly on a very old laptop, running Win98, but works marvelously as an internet radio). I had created a bunch of static links but recent changes on the BBC website have made these invalid. For example for the Afternoon Play I had created the following HTML Afternoon Play – a href=rtsp://rmv8.bbc.net.uk/radio4/1415_mon.raMonday/a a href=rtsp://rmv8.bbc.net.uk/radio4/1415_tue.raTuesday/a a href=rtsp://rmv8.bbc.net.uk/radio4/1415_wed.raWednesday/a a href=rtsp://rmv8.bbc.net.uk/radio4/1415_thu.raThursday/a a href=rtsp://rmv8.bbc.net.uk/radio4/1415_fri.raFriday/a br Note: The laptop ‘prefers’ to play the Realplayer link rather than iPlayer, which it can cope with but does struggle. Is there a way I can setup a webpage that would allow one-click access to available Afternoon Plays, Archers etc.? (from my research it seems that each Archer episode is now a different URL, and I have been unable to decipher if there is a predictable pattern to the format). Apologies if this is not the right place for this question. Cheers Mick Hanrahan -- Brian Butterworth follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/briantist web: http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002
Re: [backstage-developer] 'All-in-one' UK VOD Service..
Jordan, Why didn't you just call this Project Kangaroo and have done with it? Looks good - perhaps you could use the BBC Glow toolkit to use some sliders, as this would allow you to get more choices on a single page? 2009/7/15 Jordan 1990jor...@gmail.com Firstly, sorry if this isn't the right place to discuss this. I'm a graphic design student and in the past few months, as a side project, I've been working on a kind of all-in-one service for UK users that acts as a directory of all the content available across the major video-on-demand services. I built it because as far as I was aware, such a service didn't exist (though I think there are a few cropping up now) and It was something I really wanted to use myself. The site pulls data from the iPlayer RSS feeds for each channel and organises them alongside data from other services so you can browse by name or date across networks. The service is currently in beta and I'm still working on improvements. In the long run I'd like to add radio support and perhaps a members area so users can select their favourite shows and be alerted when new episodes come online. Have a look and I'd be interested in knowing your opinions: http://www.teev.co.uk Thanks, Jordan - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk developer discussion group. To unsubscribe, please send an email to majord...@lists.bbc.co.uk with unsubscribe backstage-developer [your email] as the message. -- Brian Butterworth follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/briantist web: http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002
Re: [backstage] Mobile sites - how wide
Hi, The only problem I have with the wurfl.sourceforge.net system is that the server I pay for has a memory limit (Allowed memory size of 68157440 bytes exhausted) and I can't unpack the XML file to the cache. But an online service would be great for mobile sites. There could be several ways to do this, but I would imagine that a 200ms delay in the response would encourage the response to be stuck in a $SESSION or cookie. Low-level PHP could just be $x=file_get_contents(http://xxx.com/detect?; . $_SERVER['HTTP_USER_AGENT']); 2009/7/14 Dirk-Willem van Gulik di...@webweaving.org Brian Butterworth wrote: 2009/7/14 Dirk-Willem van Gulik di...@webweaving.org Try a search for UAProf and Wurfl. The latter is prolly simplest. It is a centrally maintained file. Fetch the XML file at https://sourceforge.net/projects/wurfl/files/ regularly - and preparse - or use the sample code. (Who is now wondering if we should make this an even easier/'free-er' service on PAL Forge). That will be me. Feel free to have a chat with me (or Lars, or Graham) for inspiration as to how we could do something at a very low PHP or Apache layer (e.g. with a bit of berkelydb, annotation moduling or memcache) - as to make the cost incredibly low (i.e. so you can do it on any request - and have little need to copy it in your session profile). Thanks, Dw -- Brian Butterworth follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/briantist web: http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002
Re: [backstage] BBC programme about Open Source being made ?
David Greaves wrote: I heard (from a colleague in the US) that the BBC were making a programme or series about open source. Anyone here know anything about it or anyone involved? Are you aware of that BBC funded two part documentary the name of which I've forgotten that got released under a creative commons licence after it was aired. I can't for the life of me remember the name though I remember downloading it and watching it :-/ I'll try and google for it a bit later on.. Tim - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] You Tube to drop support for IE6
On 15/07/2009, Ian Forrester ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk wrote: http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/07/14/youtube-will-be-next-to-kiss-ie6-support-goodbye/ Interesting seeing how we still support IE6 - http://www.bbc.co.uk/guidelines/futuremedia/technical/browser_support.shtml#support_table Large parts of the UK government still use IE6 unfortunately. Especially unfortunate if you happen to be a member of that community :-( Peter -- Peter Bowyer Email: pe...@bowyer.org Follow me on Twitter: twitter.com/peeebeee - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] WARN: backstage developer only list going down this weekend
This is the last call guys, the developer only list is going away at the end of the week. -- Hi Everyone, The developer only list (backstage-developer) was setup when there was massive amounts of traffic on the main list, however in recent months the traffic on the list has dropped and we are only seeing one or two posts on the developer only list. So we're looking to shutdown the developer only list and bring some unity and balance back to the main list. I understand this won't be supported by many of you, but we did give you the chance to feedback. So by the end of the week, we will shutdown the list and anyone attached to that list will be automatically unsubscribed. Big thanks to everyone who subscribed to the developer only list, I really hope you do re-subscribe to the main mailing list, which is much quieter now. It was considered to automatically move people across to the main list but it didn't seem fair. So if your interested in joining the main list again, just ping Major-domo a email on backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk with the subject subscribe. Cheers, Ian Forrester This e-mail is: []secret; []private; [x]public Senior Producer, BBC Backstage, BBC RD Room 1044, BBC Manchester BH, Oxford Road, M60 1SJ email: ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk work: +44 (0)1612444063 | mob: +44 (0)7711913293 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] You Tube to drop support for IE6
Large parts of the UK government still use IE6 unfortunately. Especially unfortunate if you happen to be a member of that community :-( For shame, maybe they'll have to do some real work for once ;) IE6 should die a slow and painful death. Lack of comprehensive support for widely used aspects of various web languages, necessitating kludgey workarounds to make things render at least moderately close to how the designers want them to look. It's just plain rubbish. IE6 has lived long past its sell-by-date and should be comprehensively dumped! There's really no excuse for corporates to not update to IE7 or IE8. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] You Tube to drop support for IE6
Scary thought, hope they turned off activex at least Ian Forrester This e-mail is: []secret; [x]private; []public Senior Producer, BBC Backstage, BBC RD Room 1044, BBC Manchester BH, Oxford Road, M60 1SJ email: ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk work: +44 (0)1612444063 | mob: +44 (0)7711913293 -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Peter Bowyer Sent: 15 July 2009 13:23 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] You Tube to drop support for IE6 On 15/07/2009, Ian Forrester ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk wrote: http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/07/14/youtube-will-be-next-to-kiss-ie6- support-goodbye/ Interesting seeing how we still support IE6 - http://www.bbc.co.uk/guidelines/futuremedia/technical/browser_support. shtml#support_table Large parts of the UK government still use IE6 unfortunately. Especially unfortunate if you happen to be a member of that community :-( Peter -- Peter Bowyer Email: pe...@bowyer.org Follow me on Twitter: twitter.com/peeebeee - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] You Tube to drop support for IE6
On 15/07/2009, Christopher Woods chris...@infinitus.co.uk wrote: Large parts of the UK government still use IE6 unfortunately. Especially unfortunate if you happen to be a member of that community :-( For shame, maybe they'll have to do some real work for once ;) Nah, that would never do. IE6 should die a slow and painful death. Yep. The main reason www.nhs.uk still supports it is because of all the internal users who have it - many of them senior stakeholders for whom the standard argument about obsolescence wouldn't wash. Peter -- Peter Bowyer Email: pe...@bowyer.org Follow me on Twitter: twitter.com/peeebeee - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] You Tube to drop support for IE6
On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 13:22, Peter Bowyer pe...@bowyer.org wrote: of the UK government still use IE6 unfortunately. Especially unfortunate if you happen to be a member of that community If you're in an organization (government or not) that's still mandating IE6 aren't you probably going to be working somewhere where they don't want you watching YouTube anyway? Scot
Re: [backstage] You Tube to drop support for IE6
On 15/07/2009, Scot McSweeney-Roberts bbc_backst...@mcsweeney-roberts.co.uk wrote: On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 13:22, Peter Bowyer pe...@bowyer.org wrote: of the UK government still use IE6 unfortunately.Especially unfortunate if you happen to be a member of that community If you're in an organization (government or not) that's still mandating IE6 aren't you probably going to be working somewhere where they don't want you watching YouTube anyway? Unfortnately again, that's not necessarily a valid correlation. -- Peter Bowyer Email: pe...@bowyer.org Follow me on Twitter: twitter.com/peeebeee - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] You Tube to drop support for IE6
IE6 should die a slow and painful death. Yep. The main reason www.nhs.uk still supports it is because of all the internal users who have it - many of them senior stakeholders for whom the standard argument about obsolescence wouldn't wash. It's just disgraceful really. Maybe the argument should be made that not upgrading from IE6 is patently unsafe security practice? - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] WARN: backstage developer only list going down this weekend
How come when you make these announcements about closing the developer list something contrary happens? The last time it was a flurry of activity on the developer list. This time it's a flurry of activity on the main list. Most odd. -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk]on Behalf Of Ian Forrester Sent: 15 July 2009 13:26 To: backstage-develo...@lists.bbc.co.uk Cc: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] WARN: backstage developer only list going down this weekend Importance: High This is the last call guys, the developer only list is going away at the end of the week. -- Hi Everyone, The developer only list (backstage-developer) was setup when there was massive amounts of traffic on the main list, however in recent months the traffic on the list has dropped and we are only seeing one or two posts on the developer only list. So we're looking to shutdown the developer only list and bring some unity and balance back to the main list. I understand this won't be supported by many of you, but we did give you the chance to feedback. So by the end of the week, we will shutdown the list and anyone attached to that list will be automatically unsubscribed. Big thanks to everyone who subscribed to the developer only list, I really hope you do re-subscribe to the main mailing list, which is much quieter now. It was considered to automatically move people across to the main list but it didn't seem fair. So if your interested in joining the main list again, just ping Major-domo a email on backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk with the subject subscribe. Cheers, Ian Forrester This e-mail is: []secret; []private; [x]public Senior Producer, BBC Backstage, BBC RD Room 1044, BBC Manchester BH, Oxford Road, M60 1SJ email: ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk work: +44 (0)1612444063 | mob: +44 (0)7711913293 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.387 / Virus Database: 270.13.12/2235 - Release Date: 07/15/09 06:07:00 attachment: winmail.dat
RE: [backstage] You Tube to drop support for IE6
IE6 should die a slow and painful death. Lack of comprehensive support for widely used aspects of various web languages, necessitating kludgey workarounds to make things render at least moderately close to how the designers want them to look. It's just plain rubbish. IE6 has lived long past its sell-by-date and should be comprehensively dumped! There's really no excuse for corporates to not update to IE7 or IE8. My BBC Desktop PC has recently only just been updated to IE7 - last week I think it was. One of the reasons why IE6 survived so long in the BBC was that older parts of our intranet and essential web applications, were built in such a way that IE7+ didn't work. You might be surprised to hear that given the BBC's public website is cross platform but it was the case. So there you go. BBC managed to lock down its intranet to IE6. It's not hard to imagine that the number of other corporates that have done the same are not insignificant. The excuse therefore is that these things take time and money to sort out. And business don't like spending money. (Interesting Q - is the cost of sorting out the mess and just upgrading apps to be IE7 only, more or less than making them cross platform!) So I'd argue there is an excuse not to update. There's just no sensible reason why corporates got themselves into the mess in the first place. The BBC's policy now is, incidentally, to ensure that this doesn't happen again on its intranet. Cos it is after all, a bit embarrassing to be still using IE6 as the desktop :) Not that I did. I've got Firefox :) - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] WARN: backstage developer only list going down this weekend
And now a late fightback on the developer list. -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk]on Behalf Of Ian Forrester Sent: 15 July 2009 13:26 To: backstage-develo...@lists.bbc.co.uk Cc: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] WARN: backstage developer only list going down this weekend Importance: High This is the last call guys, the developer only list is going away at the end of the week. -- Hi Everyone, The developer only list (backstage-developer) was setup when there was massive amounts of traffic on the main list, however in recent months the traffic on the list has dropped and we are only seeing one or two posts on the developer only list. So we're looking to shutdown the developer only list and bring some unity and balance back to the main list. I understand this won't be supported by many of you, but we did give you the chance to feedback. So by the end of the week, we will shutdown the list and anyone attached to that list will be automatically unsubscribed. Big thanks to everyone who subscribed to the developer only list, I really hope you do re-subscribe to the main mailing list, which is much quieter now. It was considered to automatically move people across to the main list but it didn't seem fair. So if your interested in joining the main list again, just ping Major-domo a email on backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk with the subject subscribe. Cheers, Ian Forrester This e-mail is: []secret; []private; [x]public Senior Producer, BBC Backstage, BBC RD Room 1044, BBC Manchester BH, Oxford Road, M60 1SJ email: ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk work: +44 (0)1612444063 | mob: +44 (0)7711913293 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.387 / Virus Database: 270.13.12/2235 - Release Date: 07/15/09 06:07:00 attachment: winmail.dat
