Re: [backstage] Changes to the list
Another vote for mailman. On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 18:54:32 +0100, Ian Forrester ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk wrote: Hi all, We're making some changes to the whole way backstage is setup and one of those changes would affect this list directly. MajorDomo is a pain and lacks the lovely new shiny features of things like automatic archive, rss, thread notification, search, etc. But it does have the advantage of email delivery, open and free signup. So if we did decide to switch mailing system/message board, which one would you all prefer? Secret[] Private[] Public[x] Ian Forrester Senior Backstage Producer, BBC RD 01612444063 | 07711913293 ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- | Matt Hammond | Research Engineer, FMT, BBC, Kingswood Warren, Tadworth, Surrey, UK | http://www.bbc.co.uk/rd/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Changes to the list
+1 for mailman On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 9:31 AM, Matt Hammond matt.hamm...@rd.bbc.co.ukwrote: Another vote for mailman. On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 18:54:32 +0100, Ian Forrester ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk wrote: Hi all, We're making some changes to the whole way backstage is setup and one of those changes would affect this list directly. MajorDomo is a pain and lacks the lovely new shiny features of things like automatic archive, rss, thread notification, search, etc. But it does have the advantage of email delivery, open and free signup. So if we did decide to switch mailing system/message board, which one would you all prefer? Secret[] Private[] Public[x] Ian Forrester Senior Backstage Producer, BBC RD 01612444063 | 07711913293 ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- | Matt Hammond | Research Engineer, FMT, BBC, Kingswood Warren, Tadworth, Surrey, UK | http://www.bbc.co.uk/rd/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Barry Carlyon Located Between Al-Jazeera and BBC Radio 1 SRA Chart Officer Webmaster: http://LSRfm.com - Leeds Student Radio http://barrycarlyon.co.uk mobile: 07729 048 443 office: 0113 380 1281 skype: barrycarlyon email: ba...@barrycarlyon.co.uk msn: ba...@barrycarlyon.co.uk
Re: [backstage] Changes to the list
On 20 Oct 2009, at 13:31, Andrew Bowden wrote: In that case, I think it should be a web forum :) Preferably requiring IE6 and an activeX component in order to function. Normal service is now resumed ;-) f - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Changes to the list
No, you can't use proprietary sotware! Phew, now normal service is resumed. That was scary there for a while. -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Fearghas McKay Sent: 20 October 2009 13:44 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Changes to the list On 20 Oct 2009, at 13:31, Andrew Bowden wrote: In that case, I think it should be a web forum :) Preferably requiring IE6 and an activeX component in order to function. Normal service is now resumed ;-) f - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Changes to the list
Lets not forget to include a mandatory signup for an MSN Passport or Google account or Yahoo ID ... even just to be able to browse ;-) Matt On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:43:59 +0100, Fearghas McKay fm-li...@st-kilda.org wrote: On 20 Oct 2009, at 13:31, Andrew Bowden wrote: In that case, I think it should be a web forum :) Preferably requiring IE6 and an activeX component in order to function. Normal service is now resumed ;-) f - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- | Matt Hammond | Research Engineer, FMT, BBC, Kingswood Warren, Tadworth, Surrey, UK | http://www.bbc.co.uk/rd/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Changes to the list
Andrew Bowden wrote: So it looks like mailman is the winner? Has the backstage community ever almost unanimously agreed on something before? It's nice for it to happen for once. :) Err... In that case, I think it should be a web forum :) Microsoft *obviously* paid you to say that. Because you know you meant a custom built 5 year old ASP web forum which would DRM your children and prevent them from playing. Or something like that. This is obviously a conspiracy. ;) - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Changes to the list
Matt Hammond wrote: Lets not forget to include a mandatory signup for an MSN Passport or Google account or Yahoo ID ... even just to be able to browse ;-) I think we should move all of Backstage to Facebook!!!11 Everyone uses Facebook right!??!!?!1 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Changes to the list
On 20-Oct-2009, at 15:11, Tim Dobson wrote: Matt Hammond wrote: Lets not forget to include a mandatory signup for an MSN Passport or Google account or Yahoo ID ... even just to be able to browse ;-) I think we should move all of Backstage to Facebook!!!11 Everyone uses Facebook right!??!!?!1 I think you’re onto something there. Perhaps Freeview HD boxes should require a Facebook Connect login in order to deliver personalised and tailored content (e.g., BBC1)? -- mo mcroberts http://nevali.net iChat: mo.mcrobe...@me.com Jabber/GTalk: m...@ilaven.net Twitter: @nevali Run Leopard or Snow Leopard? Set Quick Look free with DropLook - http://labs.jazzio.com/DropLook/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Changes to the list
On 20-Oct-2009, at 15:26, Phil Lewis wrote: [REDACTED] I’m sorry, I would have replied to your message, but it required quoting it, and I’m not sure I was granted the appropriate redistribution rights. M. Produced for the BBC Backstage Mailing List by Mo McRoberts’ fingers. © MM MMIX . All rights reserved. -- mo mcroberts http://nevali.net iChat: mo.mcrobe...@me.com Jabber/GTalk: m...@ilaven.net Twitter: @nevali Run Leopard or Snow Leopard? Set Quick Look free with DropLook - http://labs.jazzio.com/DropLook/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Changes to the list
Isn't there a flash-based forum somewhere that uses those open protocol standards like rtmpe? That way we could embed H.264 video if we wanted without fear of anyone pirating it. I would also suggest Huffman lookup tables to prevent the message index being read by non-members. We must always consider the copyright ownership and redistribution rights of the content in posts. On Tue, 2009-10-20 at 15:11 +0100, Tim Dobson wrote: Matt Hammond wrote: Lets not forget to include a mandatory signup for an MSN Passport or Google account or Yahoo ID ... even just to be able to browse ;-) I think we should move all of Backstage to Facebook!!!11 Everyone uses Facebook right!??!!?!1 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC trust says no to Plans to open iPlayer up to other broadcasters
On 20-Oct-2009, at 15:20, Tim Dobson wrote: What do you think? Good/Bad/Don't care? Sensible. http://nevali.net/post/218054190/back-of-envelope-analysis-bbc-trust-blocks-marquee M. -- mo mcroberts http://nevali.net iChat: mo.mcrobe...@me.com Jabber/GTalk: m...@ilaven.net Twitter: @nevali Run Leopard or Snow Leopard? Set Quick Look free with DropLook - http://labs.jazzio.com/DropLook/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Changes to the list
I should have added that you are granted 7 days to view the message and after which it will become unreadable. You also must always obtain an auth token before reading (it only lasts 30 seconds) - unless of course I choose to take my authorisation server down. I believe that this will stop undue proliferation of my message and therefore increase future message popularity and revenue. On Tue, 2009-10-20 at 15:35 +0100, Mo McRoberts wrote: On 20-Oct-2009, at 15:26, Phil Lewis wrote: [REDACTED] I’m sorry, I would have replied to your message, but it required quoting it, and I’m not sure I was granted the appropriate redistribution rights. M. Produced for the BBC Backstage Mailing List by Mo McRoberts’ fingers. © MM MMIX . All rights reserved. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Changes to the list
You work for Twitter and I claim my five pounds. Cheers, Rich. On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 3:54 PM, Phil Lewis backst...@linuxcentre.net wrote: I should have added that you are granted 7 days to view the message and after which it will become unreadable. You also must always obtain an auth token before reading (it only lasts 30 seconds) - unless of course I choose to take my authorisation server down. I believe that this will stop undue proliferation of my message and therefore increase future message popularity and revenue. On Tue, 2009-10-20 at 15:35 +0100, Mo McRoberts wrote: On 20-Oct-2009, at 15:26, Phil Lewis wrote: [REDACTED] I’m sorry, I would have replied to your message, but it required quoting it, and I’m not sure I was granted the appropriate redistribution rights. M. Produced for the BBC Backstage Mailing List by Mo McRoberts’ fingers. © MM MMIX . All rights reserved. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] FYI: Open iPlayer
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/20/bbc_trust_rejects_iplayer_federation/ The BBC Trust has shelved a plan that would have allowed broadcasters such as Channel 4, ITV and Five to share the Beeb's iPlayer. The so-called Open iPlayer project was meant to establish a new commercial service separate from BBC Worldwide, that would licence the Corporation's hugely popular video-on-demand technology to third parties. We concluded that the open iPlayer plans in their proposed form, combining both commercial and public service elements, were too complicated, said BBC Trustee Diane Coyle in a statement today. http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/news/press_releases/october/open_iplayer.shtml The Trust is open to considering an alternative proposal for the licensing of the iPlayer technology to third parties if that can be done on a simple, fair and commercial basis, said Coyle. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] FYI: Open iPlayer
What is so important about the content/metadata ingest and delivery system that is the iPlayer that it needs to be licenced as opposed to being developed in-house at a broadcaster? --- On Tue, 20/10/09, David Tomlinson d.tomlin...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: From: David Tomlinson d.tomlin...@tiscali.co.uk Subject: [backstage] FYI: Open iPlayer To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Date: Tuesday, 20 October, 2009, 6:59 PM http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/20/bbc_trust_rejects_iplayer_federation/ The BBC Trust has shelved a plan that would have allowed broadcasters such as Channel 4, ITV and Five to share the Beeb's iPlayer. The so-called Open iPlayer project was meant to establish a new commercial service separate from BBC Worldwide, that would licence the Corporation's hugely popular video-on-demand technology to third parties. We concluded that the open iPlayer plans in their proposed form, combining both commercial and public service elements, were too complicated, said BBC Trustee Diane Coyle in a statement today. http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/news/press_releases/october/open_iplayer.shtml The Trust is open to considering an alternative proposal for the licensing of the iPlayer technology to third parties if that can be done on a simple, fair and commercial basis, said Coyle. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] FYI: Open iPlayer
On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 21:31, Kieran Kunhya kie...@kunhya.com wrote: What is so important about the content/metadata ingest and delivery system that is the iPlayer that it needs to be licenced as opposed to being developed in-house at a broadcaster? Possibly the fact that no other bugger is doing it in anything but a cack-handed way. That said, it’s never entirely clear when people talk about “licensing iPlayer” whether they mean the front-end, with its myriad per-platform tweaks, clever Flash applet and AIR downloader, the back-end which ingests content, hooks it up appropriately, and transcodes it into a bunch of different formats, or both. All credit to the front-end developers, who have done a bloody good job considering what they have to work with (I mean, seriously, Flash for HD video?), but the *really* clever and heavyweight stuff is behind the scenes, and—to the best of my knowledge—pretty much distinct from “iPlayer”. Would a broadcaster want to license the one without the other? (possibly) Would the BBC be licensing both out together, or as separate units? Am I wrong about all of this? ;) M. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
