Re: [backstage] XMBC iPlayer issues?
BTW RTMPE was already reverse-engineered and circumvented a while back. After (the mplayer guys I think) reverse engineered RTMP it was a small inconvenience bypassing the "protection" in RTMPE. However Adobe slapped the rtmpdump project with a DMCA and had it taken off Sourceforge (apparently, prompted by Channel 4). http://linuxcentre.net/rtmpdump-can-be-used-to-download-copyrighted-works-like-a-web-browser It is daft. There is more sophisticated crypto in the puzzle pages of Closer magazine. On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 10:52 AM, Iain Wallace wrote: > It's fair enough the BBC prioritising the most popular platforms for > roll out of their iPlayer software and letting 3rd parties develop > their own (XBMC, Android) but users don't consider third party apps as > being outside of the BBC. The result of this is that when the BBC > (intentionally or not) makes a change which breaks them, it's the > license payers that feel wronged. The XBMC app was harmless but I > expect all the people that now can't use it will be downloading nice > HD copies of all the TV they're missing to their hard drives instead > of streaming it, which I had assumed was something the BBC was trying > to avoid. > > Some day the BBC will learn that they actually output a lot of good > stuff and all people want to do is watch it. We've already paid for it > - it's very difficult to see how it could be regarded as stealing, > however it's acquired. > > Iain > > On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 10:34 AM, Glyn Wintle wrote: >>> The streaming servers have enabled SWF Verification, which >>> makes absolutely no sense >> >> The Register have also covered this >> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02/24/iplayer_xbmc_adobe_swf_verification/ >> >> Technically easy to beat, but given that by passing "copyright protection >> mechanisms" is illegal in the EU and America it means it can not be rolled >> out to the general population. >> >> Bonkers idea BBC. >> >> >> >> >> - >> Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please >> visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. >> Unofficial list archive: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ >> > - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] XMBC iPlayer issues?
On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 10:34, Glyn Wintle wrote: >> The streaming servers have enabled SWF Verification, which >> makes absolutely no sense > > The Register have also covered this > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02/24/iplayer_xbmc_adobe_swf_verification/ > > Technically easy to beat, but given that by passing "copyright protection > mechanisms" is illegal in the EU and America it means it can not be rolled > out to the general population. To term SWF Verification a 'copyright protection mechanism' is a slightly dubious interpretation: it's just an extended handshake by which the server demands to know if the client has access to the SWF making the request. You could only really justify that being a protection mechanism by any reasonable definition if you *don't* have access to that SWF and are having to spoof the signature generation (which would indeed be tricky). Indeed, nobody's circumventing the mechanism, they're simply implementing it: because the implementation doesn't rely upon some secret licensed key (as per CSS), there's a clear distinction which can be made. Given that the actual handshake and signature generation algorithm are in the public domain, any legal action's success would likely be contingent more upon how much money you have, how good your lawyers are, than the law itself. > Bonkers idea BBC. +1 Given there's a Trust consultation running on iPlayer, including provision for neutrality, it's possibly the worst time for the BBC to decide to implement this: https://consultations.external.bbc.co.uk/departments/bbc/bbc-on-demand-offerings/consultation/consult_view M. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] XMBC iPlayer issues?
It's fair enough the BBC prioritising the most popular platforms for roll out of their iPlayer software and letting 3rd parties develop their own (XBMC, Android) but users don't consider third party apps as being outside of the BBC. The result of this is that when the BBC (intentionally or not) makes a change which breaks them, it's the license payers that feel wronged. The XBMC app was harmless but I expect all the people that now can't use it will be downloading nice HD copies of all the TV they're missing to their hard drives instead of streaming it, which I had assumed was something the BBC was trying to avoid. Some day the BBC will learn that they actually output a lot of good stuff and all people want to do is watch it. We've already paid for it - it's very difficult to see how it could be regarded as stealing, however it's acquired. Iain On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 10:34 AM, Glyn Wintle wrote: >> The streaming servers have enabled SWF Verification, which >> makes absolutely no sense > > The Register have also covered this > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02/24/iplayer_xbmc_adobe_swf_verification/ > > Technically easy to beat, but given that by passing "copyright protection > mechanisms" is illegal in the EU and America it means it can not be rolled > out to the general population. > > Bonkers idea BBC. > > > > > - > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please > visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. > Unofficial list archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ > - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] XMBC iPlayer issues?
On 24 February 2010 10:34, Glyn Wintle wrote: >> The streaming servers have enabled SWF Verification, which >> makes absolutely no sense > > The Register have also covered this > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02/24/iplayer_xbmc_adobe_swf_verification/ > > Technically easy to beat, but given that by passing "copyright protection > mechanisms" is illegal in the EU and America it means it can not be rolled > out to the general population. > > Bonkers idea BBC. The writeup here: http://lkcl.net/rtmp/RTMPE.txt of the "protection" offered by this mechanism would be hilarious if it weren't so sad (skip to the "Analysis" paragraph at the bottom). "When lawyers do crypto" :-( S - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] XMBC iPlayer issues?
> The streaming servers have enabled SWF Verification, which > makes absolutely no sense The Register have also covered this http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02/24/iplayer_xbmc_adobe_swf_verification/ Technically easy to beat, but given that by passing "copyright protection mechanisms" is illegal in the EU and America it means it can not be rolled out to the general population. Bonkers idea BBC. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
