Re: [backstage] The Sky at Night BBC1 vs BBC4 editions

2010-11-08 Thread Brian Butterworth 
On 8 November 2010 20:13, b...@bt  wrote:

> The other obvious solution is to just stick Sky at Night (the 30 minute
> edition) on BBC HD.
> There's plenty of spare time at night when the BBC HD channel is un-used.


Or indeed daytime. Quite why the best of pre-watershed BBC HD isn't there
for people to fill their Freeview+HD hard drives with is beyond me.


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Re: [backstage] The Sky at Night BBC1 vs BBC4 editions

2010-11-08 Thread b...@bt 
The other obvious solution is to just stick Sky at Night (the 30 minute 
edition) on BBC HD.

There's plenty of spare time at night when the BBC HD channel is un-used.

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Re: [backstage] The Sky at Night BBC1 vs BBC4 editions

2010-11-08 Thread Brian Butterworth 
Whilst we are at it (given the demise of backstage):

- why does only the Windows Media Centre automatically put on the subtitles
when you mute the sound?

- why wasn't "channel 888" a way to put the subtitles on?

- why are those people who are most likely to rely on "digital text", ie
they don't have internet access, provided with the most third-rate BBC news
service?

- how are the text-plus Rabbit and Gay Rabbit public services?

On 8 November 2010 19:12, Christopher Woods wrote:

>
>
>  Can I have a "why oh why?" moment.
>
>
> Me too! Why oh why wasn't an automatic channel redirect included in the
> original Freeview spec? I can think of several use cases for that feature.
>

Re: [backstage] The Sky at Night BBC1 vs BBC4 editions

2010-11-08 Thread Brian Butterworth 
On 8 November 2010 19:12, Christopher Woods wrote:

>
>
>  Can I have a "why oh why?" moment.
>
>
> Me too! Why oh why wasn't an automatic channel redirect included in the
> original Freeview spec? I can think of several use cases for that feature.
>

I've been going on about that since 1998.  You would think that they could
do it via MHEG5 on Freeview HD at the very, very least.

Re: [backstage] The Sky at Night BBC1 vs BBC4 editions

2010-11-08 Thread Nick Morrott 
On 8 November 2010 18:29, Brian Butterworth  wrote:
>
> On 8 November 2010 18:12, b...@bt  wrote:
>>
>> The easiest solution is just play the 30 minute edition on BBC1 then we
>> can watch the HD version on BBC1 HD.
>> Another solution is to have a simulcast BBC4 (BBC4 HD).
>> There's plenty of bandwidth on the satellite HD transponder - enough for
>> at least 2 more HD channels.
>
> 
> Can I have a "why oh why?" moment.

Having the standard def BBC1/2/3/4 channels on the same transponder
going forwards (this used to be the case?) would also have been
extremely useful when using PVR software that can record the whole TS
(or any part thereof). Only 1 tuner needed...

Cheers,
Nick

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RE: [backstage] The Sky at Night BBC1 vs BBC4 editions

2010-11-08 Thread Christopher Woods 
 


Can I have a "why oh why?" moment. 
 

Me too! Why oh why wasn't an automatic channel redirect included in the
original Freeview spec? I can think of several use cases for that feature.

Re: [backstage] The Sky at Night BBC1 vs BBC4 editions

2010-11-08 Thread Brian Butterworth 
On 8 November 2010 18:35, Christopher Woods wrote:

> Do the HD chans come from 2D?
>

Yup.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/reception/info/sat_frequencies.shtml



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> > The easiest solution is just play the 30 minute edition on
> > BBC1 then we can watch the HD version on BBC1 HD.
> > Another solution is to have a simulcast BBC4 (BBC4 HD).
> > There's plenty of bandwidth on the satellite HD transponder -
> > enough for at least 2 more HD channels.
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> > >> Just a quick question.
> > >>
> > >> The BBC4 edition of Sky at Night is 30 minutes long but the
> > >> BBC1 edition (and repeat on BBC2) is 20 minutes long.
> > >> Does anyone know why ?
> > >
> > > I seem to remember TSAN eps have a breakaway segment on location or
> > > somesuch
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RE: [backstage] The Sky at Night BBC1 vs BBC4 editions

2010-11-08 Thread Christopher Woods 
Do the HD chans come from 2D? 

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> Importance: High
> 
> The easiest solution is just play the 30 minute edition on 
> BBC1 then we can watch the HD version on BBC1 HD.
> Another solution is to have a simulcast BBC4 (BBC4 HD).
> There's plenty of bandwidth on the satellite HD transponder - 
> enough for at least 2 more HD channels.
> 
> 
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> >> Subject: [backstage] The Sky at Night BBC1 vs BBC4 editions
> >>
> >> Just a quick question.
> >>
> >> The BBC4 edition of Sky at Night is 30 minutes long but the
> >> BBC1 edition (and repeat on BBC2) is 20 minutes long.
> >> Does anyone know why ?
> >
> > I seem to remember TSAN eps have a breakaway segment on location or 
> > somesuch
> > similar. Do the BBC4 repeats just have office-based stuff? 
> (simple way 
> > would
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Re: [backstage] The Sky at Night BBC1 vs BBC4 editions

2010-11-08 Thread Brian Butterworth 
On 8 November 2010 18:12, b...@bt  wrote:

> The easiest solution is just play the 30 minute edition on BBC1 then we can
> watch the HD version on BBC1 HD.
> Another solution is to have a simulcast BBC4 (BBC4 HD).
> There's plenty of bandwidth on the satellite HD transponder - enough for at
> least 2 more HD channels.
>



Can I have a "why oh why?" moment.

The BBC transmits six live streams of TV channels.   Two are split:
BBC3/CBBC and BBC4/CBeebies.  Two are News and Parliament.

BBC3/CBBC and BBC4/CBeebies are UK-wide streams.   BBC One already has a HD
channels.

So, there's two HD slots on Freeview HD and four on satellite and cable.

Why not make BBC3/CBBC and BBC4/CBeebies HD on satellite and cable.

On Freeview HD, use the bandwidth for two of the four HD channels.  For the
other two streams either

a) Providide a low-bandwidth SD service over MPEG4 for the other two
streams;

b) Provide a no-bandwidth MHEG5 or static MPEG4 caption for the other two
streams with "retune to 2 [or 7 or 9]".

Then you can scrap the silly "HD channel".

Reasons:

1) All BBC channels in Sky "HD" listings;

2) The SD-option provide an SD-fallback when recording an overrunning
programme;

3) Better newspaper and online listing for HD content ("also in HD") rather
than unlisted BBC HD channel.





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>>> Just a quick question.
>>>
>>> The BBC4 edition of Sky at Night is 30 minutes long but the
>>> BBC1 edition (and repeat on BBC2) is 20 minutes long.
>>> Does anyone know why ?
>>>
>>
>> I seem to remember TSAN eps have a breakaway segment on location or
>> somesuch
>> similar. Do the BBC4 repeats just have office-based stuff? (simple way
>> would
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Re: [backstage] The Sky at Night BBC1 vs BBC4 editions

2010-11-08 Thread b...@bt 
The easiest solution is just play the 30 minute edition on BBC1 then we can 
watch the HD version on BBC1 HD.

Another solution is to have a simulcast BBC4 (BBC4 HD).
There's plenty of bandwidth on the satellite HD transponder - enough for at 
least 2 more HD channels.




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Subject: [backstage] The Sky at Night BBC1 vs BBC4 editions

Just a quick question.

The BBC4 edition of Sky at Night is 30 minutes long but the
BBC1 edition (and repeat on BBC2) is 20 minutes long.
Does anyone know why ?


I seem to remember TSAN eps have a breakaway segment on location or 
somesuch
similar. Do the BBC4 repeats just have office-based stuff? (simple way 
would

be to play both at once and see where they go out ;-)

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RE: [backstage] The Sky at Night BBC1 vs BBC4 editions

2010-11-08 Thread Christopher Woods 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of b...@bt
> Sent: 08 November 2010 14:38
> To: BBC Backstage
> Subject: [backstage] The Sky at Night BBC1 vs BBC4 editions
> 
> Just a quick question.
> 
> The BBC4 edition of Sky at Night is 30 minutes long but the 
> BBC1 edition (and repeat on BBC2) is 20 minutes long.
> Does anyone know why ?

I seem to remember TSAN eps have a breakaway segment on location or somesuch
similar. Do the BBC4 repeats just have office-based stuff? (simple way would
be to play both at once and see where they go out ;-)

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[backstage] The Sky at Night BBC1 vs BBC4 editions

2010-11-08 Thread b...@bt 

Just a quick question.

The BBC4 edition of Sky at Night is 30 minutes long but the BBC1 edition 
(and repeat on BBC2) is 20 minutes long.

Does anyone know why ?

The subtitles (from BBC iPlayer) are 30 minute and obviously don't match the 
BBC1/2 edition.
As BBC1 is simulcast on BBC 1 HD it would be nice to see the full 30 minute 
edition on BBC 1 HD even if it is upscaled.

It all seems a bit crazy to me.

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