RE: [backstage] Google Maps as board game

2005-11-11 Thread David Tattersall
Hi

Sorry for this being off topic - but is that the Thomas Scott? Of Fluffy the
Wonder Penguin fame? :O 

David

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I hacked together a regular online battle game, although it's not nearly as
complicated as that Risk game. That's a really good idea...

http://www.thomasscott.net/tripods/

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 Why didn't someone think of this earlier? Risk! Superb...

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RE: [backstage] Free SMS WSDL service

2005-09-09 Thread David Tattersall



Shame - would have been useful for an 
EPG.

David


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service
if you try and send a message it seems to bounce back to your inbox 
and it seems to be using ICQ sms service!
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  Just found this looking around for 
  web services:
  
  http://www.webservicex.net/WS/WSDetails.aspx?CATID=4WSID=60 
  
  
  Looks like it doesn't support the 
  UK which is a shame, so I can't test it.
  
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RE: [backstage] Competition - Ideas but no time

2005-09-05 Thread David Tattersall
Luke,

Wow, I was thinking of something along the lines of Bayesian filtering too!

I was thinking that - if Bayesian filters can be trained to pick out spam,
how about television programmes?

Of course spam contains a lot more information - headers, formatting etc
whereas you'd just have a title and a few sentences of description for each
programme.

The lines I was thinking along were marking certain programmes as favourites
and the app will tell you if favourite programmes are coming up in the next
week, and suggest different ones you might like.

David

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My background is fairly heavily AI-slanted so that's the sort of area I've
been coming up with ideas. I think the best one I've had so far is to take
the data and couple it with a Bayesian classification system. By using a
reasonable set of training data (a previous week's listings for
example) and a decent heuristic you should be able to create an AI system
that can predictively suggest forthcoming programmes. You would also need
some ancillary odds and sods like user tracking to cater on a per-person
basis. With the basic system implemented the heuristic function could be
tweaked to make it more accurate if necessary, the same base system could
also be used with multiple functions - perhaps one could have a larger
emphasis on timing than content etc. The coding for this most likely
wouldn't be all that intense since its primarily mathematical, although
storing the results of profiling would give it a reasonable amount of
overhead (or would require a bit of ninja-ing) since you would be having to
do a certain amount of natural language analysis on the data.

I don't know about you guys, but something that highlighted programs I might
be interested in would certainly be of benefit to me, saving me trawling
through the listings.


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RE: [backstage] Weather feed

2005-09-02 Thread David Tattersall
Hi,

I'm not too sure it uses airports for everywhere in the UK.

I've actually found it to be pretty good for the UK. It's probably harder
for you people in London a such a large place is only covered by one name
(unless you get a specialised feed for the UK) but I've typed in town names
for places around here and it's all very accurate - and doesn't use
airports. For example, Bolton, Hereford and Wrexham don't have airports yet
they have accurate data.

@ Ben - would the BBC feed be available in a similar way to the weather.com
one:

- One XML feed for searching for locations and getting a location ID
- One feed that returns weather info when given ID

David  

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David,

GNOME currently use this. But it's very US centric, and uses airports,
rather than Met offices. I live in South London - Gatwick, City and Heathrow
are all innapropriate for where I live. Similarly, when I'm down in
Canterbury, a city with a Met office, I have to choose Manston. Many people
in the UK are unlikely to know the nearest small airport to them.

A feed from the Met office, ideally via the beeb, would be preferable.

Stephen

 David Tattersall said:
 Hi Steve,

 Weather.com has a good XML feed that provides forecasts for up to 5 
 days in advance. I think they're pretty OK about usage (the usuals - 
 display their logo, non commercial etc).

 I've used it in the past and I have to say it's a dream to use!

 David

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 Importance: High

 I'd like to just add another voice to the call for XML feeds. It's 
 much easier to parse with the abundance of libraries. Also, off-topic, 
 but any chance of the Weather feed (XML aussi) being added? The 
 GNOME-UK team would like to use it.

 Stephen

 Ben Metcalfe said:
 * The TV schedule data we provided over-complicated and in an alien 
 format that was difficult to parse, or
 * The idea of developing around a BBC-led theme, even for a prize, 
 isn't an approach that is of interest to the backstage.bbc.co.uk
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RE: [backstage] backstage.bbc.co.uk TV Schedule competition

2005-09-01 Thread David Tattersall
Title: backstage.bbc.co.uk TV Schedule competition



Hi,

Point 1 is probably most pertinent for me! I'd have 
preferred a simple XML list like:

channel
programme
titleHow to start your own 
country/title
starttime2130/starttime
endtime2200/endtime
length30/length
/programme
/channel

must like bleb.org :-)

Also - it's not the most enticing theme. TV schedules have 
been done before really. If you perhaps gave a goal - for example a project that 
gradually learns what TV somebody likes and suggests programmes that are on - 
with perhaps a view to having the project a permanent feature of the BBC web 
site, I'm sure there would be more interest.

Personally, I didn't work on an entry because I was busy 
with other things! I assumed that such a wide subject like TV guides would have 
attracted too many people!

By the way - I kind of like that suggesting programmes 
thingy - I might try and make it! :D

David


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MetcalfeSent: 01 September 2005 2:39To: 
backstage@lists.bbc.co.ukSubject: [backstage] backstage.bbc.co.uk TV 
Schedule competitionImportance: High

Dear all, 
I'm writing to let you know that the inaugural 
backstage.bbc.co.uk competition hasnt gone as well as I had hoped. In 
fact, at the time of sending this we havent received any entries at 
all.
backstage.bbc.co.uk is very much about the BBC 
experimenting with new ways of engaging with its expert user base, and clearly 
this specific exercise hasnt worked. backstage.bbc.co.uk also strives to 
be a publicly open and transparent project, which is why I am writing to 
communicate this to you all.
Moving forward, Ive been trying to think about why 
this has happened  and my guess is that it comes to one of two 
possibilities:
* The TV schedule data we provided over-complicated 
and in an alien format that was difficult to parse, or * The idea of developing around a BBC-led theme, even for a 
prize, isnt an approach that is of interest to the backstage.bbc.co.uk 
community.
Im keen to gather whether either/both of these 
reasons are the case, or maybe theres something else Ive completely 
missed?
All of your thoughts and views are very subject are 
very much appreciated, so Id be really grateful if you could let me know what 
you think  either publicly on this mailing list or privately (ben.metcalfe [at] 
bbc.co.uk).
I dont want to pre-empt your views on this, so I 
will get back to you with some more thoughts and action points on my part, once 
I am able to gauge where we stand (and thus what we need to do differently next 
time).
Many thanks 
Ben Metcalfe Project Lead, backstage.bbc.co.uk 
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RE: [backstage] backstage.bbc.co.uk TV Schedule competition

2005-09-01 Thread David Tattersall
Hi Steve,

Weather.com has a good XML feed that provides forecasts for up to 5 days in
advance. I think they're pretty OK about usage (the usuals - display their
logo, non commercial etc).

I've used it in the past and I have to say it's a dream to use!

David 

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Importance: High

I'd like to just add another voice to the call for XML feeds. It's much
easier to parse with the abundance of libraries. Also, off-topic, but any
chance of the Weather feed (XML aussi) being added? The GNOME-UK team would
like to use it.

Stephen

Ben Metcalfe said:
 * The TV schedule data we provided over-complicated and in an alien 
 format that was difficult to parse, or
 * The idea of developing around a BBC-led theme, even for a prize, 
 isn't an approach that is of interest to the backstage.bbc.co.uk
community.

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RE: [backstage] Test

2005-08-16 Thread David Tattersall
Title: Message



On a different subject, how do I start a new topic? Do I 
put [backstage] in the subject , or is that automatic?

David


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Test

[reaches for picture of tumbleweed]

  
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  Test
  Yes, I hate it too when dumb people like myself 
  send "TEST" messages. 
  Doh, this obviously it working 
  Sorry. 
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RE: [backstage] News Images

2005-08-11 Thread David Tattersall



I just open the low graphics version and grab any URLs from 
there - I can then store the URLs and appropriate keywords. The images are then 
displayed as search results.

David


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Images
No, and I doubt you would be allowed 
to use the images even if there was.Ben has quite an interesting post 
about the use of images on Google News and other sides using the Google News RSS 
feed on his blog, at http://benmetcalfe.com/blog/index.php/2005/08/09/goole-news-rss-opens-up-a-whole-set-of-rights-issues/ 
, which does explain some of the problems related to using the 
images.Hope that helps,DuncanGraeme 
Mulvaney wrote: 
Is 
  there a feedassociating imageswith news items knocking about 
  somewhere ?
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RE: [backstage] Help with RSS reader

2005-08-04 Thread David Tattersall
No problem :)

I've been round the block a few times with this sort of thing...

David 

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Thanks mate you are a star

-Raj

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 Are you hosted with Supanames? They and several other hosts block 
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security threat.
 Email your host and ask them to unblock the IP address 
 newsrss.bbc.co.uk resides at from their firewall.
 
 David
 
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 Hi There
 
 http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/ is indeed a great opportunity for all 
 programmers and enthusiasts. Thanks to everyone who keeps me updated, 
 with the latest. I'm trying to create a news ticker too which displays 
 all the news related to investment banking.
 
 Something which could be difficult to sort out but at present I'm 
 stuck with uploading the RSS on my webpage. I'm trying to use PHP to 
 remove the title, description, link etc and then display them. It 
 works fine if the .xml file is on my server but when I try to use the xml
file from say the link:
 http://newsrss.bbc.co.uk/rss/newsonline_uk_edition/business/rss.xml
 
 It doesn't work. I'm not sure why.  Just to make things clear I have 
 added my source code. Say if I use a file called data.xml (which is 
 simply a copy of a BBC RSS feed saved as XML in my server). The output 
 is promising, you can find it at:
 
 http://www.anderstand.com/news/parser2.php
 
 The source is attached parser2.php
 
 
 
 But if I use the script at: (2 files copied and pasted from the 
 website) http://www.apptools.com/phptools/xml/rss.php
 
 You can download it from:
 http://www.apptools.com/phptools/downloads/rssreader.zip
 
 It doesn't work. You can see the output at:
 http://www.anderstand.com/news/parser.php
 
 
 
 After enquiring a little I was told that maybe you should open socket 
 connection and then try reading the RSS:
 
 So I did that file attached: parser_try.php
 
 Output at:
 http://www.anderstand.com/news/parser_try.php
 
 
 Can someone tell me why its not working? Your help will really be 
 appreciated.
 
 Kind Regards
 -Raj
 
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RE: [backstage] Football Text Commentaries

2005-08-02 Thread David Tattersall
I'd really like to use this if it ever gets done. Perhaps one way of doing
it is if when the sports guys are typing the details in the systems adds a
'divider' between each commentary. i.e.

bGOAL: John O'Shea (94 mins) Arsenal 2 - 4 Man Utd/b  blah blah

br

br

!-- new section divider --

b Something else /b

It would make it possible to extract the individual bits of text from the
html by performing an explode() in PHP.

David

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Is this the Cardiff Ben Metcalfe?
Richard

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Hi Steve,

This isn't something we're able to make available at the moment, due to the
way these commentaries are entered into the content management system.

However, I will forward the idea over the BBC Sport website for them to have
a look at.


Many thanks

Ben Metcalfe :: backstage.bbc.co.uk




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 BBC Chaps,

 Are there any plans afoot to publish the excellent football text 
 commentaries as an RSS feed (or similar)?

 For example, each of the timed sections here...
 http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/a/arsenal/live_
text/default.stm
...would be prefect as an entry in an RSS feed.

I could then put soemthing together that would trigger a popup when it finds
words like Goal and Booking  in the description field.  I'd then think
about writing something that takes the descriptions and turns them into a
pitch representation of the match, but ultimately decide to just watch the
telly instead.

Cheers

Steve
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RE: [backstage] 7 day BBC TV and Radio listings in XML!

2005-06-28 Thread David Tattersall
Hi

Great - I've already got a php/javascript implementation that works nice
using bleb's feeds. If I get some free time I Might see about putting bbc's
in too.

David

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Subject: [backstage] 7 day BBC TV and Radio listings in XML!

Hello all!

Just to let you all know that we've just released a new feed: 7 day BBC TV
and Radio listings in XML.

The feed contains daily snapshot of BBC TV and radio schedules for the
forthcoming week.  We're offering it in TV-Anytime XML data format
(http://www.tv-anytime.org/). TV-Anytime contains some interesting new
flavours of metadata and is well worth exploring.

From your feedback we know that a lot of people are itching to incorporate
schedule information into prototypes - so we're looking forward to seeing
what you all conjure up. Do let us know!

To get you going, here's a few ideas from the backstage.bbc office:

* Amazon style TV and radio programme guide
* Desktop TV/Radio show alerter
* PVR/Media Centre possibilities
* Mobile and PDA scheduler
* A screensaver that tells you what's on TV now and what's coming up
tonight

I'm sure you'll all have loads of ideas too.  Don't forget there's radio
station data in there too.


For more information, check out
http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/news/archives/2005/06/7_day_bbc_tv_an_1.html

Or check out the feeds directly:
http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/feeds/tvradio/



Ben Metcalfe :: backstage.bbc.co.uk


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RE: [backstage] 7 day BBC TV and Radio listings in XML!

2005-06-28 Thread David Tattersall
Dave - this is spooky. My godfather is called David Whitehead also!

David 

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 The feed contains daily snapshot of BBC TV and radio schedules for the 
 forthcoming week.  We're offering it in TV-Anytime XML data format 
 (http://www.tv-anytime.org/). TV-Anytime contains some interesting new 
 flavours of metadata and is well worth exploring.


Great news - not heard of the TV-Anytime format will look at how it compares
to XMLTV format

Dave


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RE: [backstage] Your mapping prototypes in the news...

2005-06-02 Thread David Tattersall
Title: Your mapping prototypes in the news...



Perhaps in a month when there is a good amount of varying 
projects you could persuade the guys on the Technology editorial team to publish 
an article on the BBC Site?

David


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MetcalfeSent: 02 June 2005 1:17To: 
backstage@lists.bbc.co.ukSubject: [backstage] Your mapping prototypes 
in the news...

Nat @ O'Reilly Radar has written up a nice piece on 
some of the mapping projects going on here @ backstage.bbc - http://radar.oreilly.com/archives/2005/05/google_maps_and.html 
It's been blogged quite a bit, as you can see: 

http://googlemapsmania.blogspot.com/2005/06/bbc-backstage-stages-google-maps-mash.html 
http://www.bleepblog.com/archives/2005/05/google_map_of_l.html 
http://www.new-links.info/bbc-news-google-maps-backstage-goodness 
http://benmetcalfe.com/blog/index.php/2005/06/02/oreilly-radar-spots-backstagebbc-mapping-prototypes/ 

(and http://www.technorati.com/cosmos/search.html?rank=url="">) 
Congrats to everyone who's submitted a fine mapping 
prototype to backstage! 
Ben Metcalfe :: backstage.bbc.co.uk 



RE: [backstage] Google Summer of Code

2005-06-02 Thread David Tattersall
I to was quite excited about this, and I wish backstage was on there as most
of the proposals on there seem to be just writing stuff for people's
platforms. I run windows, like most people, and I'd rather write some PHP
web app using RSS feeds rather than some obscure interface protocol that
runs on an OS hardly anybody outside large server houses uses.

(hint: it still says participants can join!)

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David Tait wrote:
 If anyone has any ideas then i would love to hear them they do not 
 necessarily have to be a mac specific application, windows or web  
 apps are also welcome!

Unfortunatley, the deadline for organisations to join has lapsed, and
backstage.bbc.bo.uk isn't on the list. If I were you, I'd look through the
list of participating organisations, and see how you could integrate
backstage data with their projects. Reading through the project lists should
be a good source of inspiration.

   -- Andrew