Re: [backstage] Percentage of License fee going towards DRM?
I'm not exactly over-the-moon about the idea that everyone's private email address is visible. What are people still using Windows supposed to do if someone decides to attach a worm? On 27 Feb 2007, at 18:13, John Drinkwater wrote: On 27/02/07, Jim Gardner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: He privately mailed me and used words I won't repeat for fear they trigger the spam filter. Is he sub-normal or is that the crack on this list? If so I'm not interested in continuing with it. I got similar comments from someone else off-list related to comments i've made here and on the BBC editors site. The list certainly attracts people of various opinions, but he's certainly sub-normal. :-) On 27 Feb 2007, at 14:44, Dave Crossland wrote: > "The list's House Rules are simple: Be Nice To Each Other and Don't > Break The Law. If you are rude or spam the list then you'll be taken > off." > - http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html > > Will this policy be acted upon? > > -- > Regards, > Dave > - -- John '[Beta]' Drinkwater http://johndrinkwater.name/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/ mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail- archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Percentage of License fee going towards DRM?
I never did understand keyboard heros. The fact is, if we where talking face to face in the pub, you wouldn't dream of being so obnoxious just because you think I'm wrong. Just because you can't counter my argument with anything doesn't give you the right to resort to the fail-safe, "I've been here longer than you and every likes me more"; playground mentality. I stopped joining lists to argue with people like you years ago. You, sir, are the kind of person who ruined UseNet. If I'm rehashing already aired opinions then I apologies, but I can't understand how anyone could take the time to go out of their way just to be nasty to someone when it's far more helpful to simply stay quiet. Get a job you like. If anyone else has a compelling reason in favor of paying twice for something that doesn't work properly and they can string a sentence together with which to convince me I'm wrong, I'm all ears. Otherwise I think we'll put joining this list down to experience and move on. On 27 Feb 2007, at 18:41, Peter Bowyer wrote: On 27/02/07, Jim Gardner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Being fairly new to the list I can only imagine that this DRM thing has dragged on a bit for some of the older members, but I would remind everyone that it's pretty much universally agreed that this is the biggest mistake the BBC have ever made - so it's not like it isn't worth discussing at length. Since you seem to have shown up here with the matter resolved along with the rest of your 'universe', I'd say that shows there's absolutely no value in re-hashing the same discussions over again. How about this for an idea- go read the list archives, and if there's anything new to say that hasn't already been said ad nauseam, come back and say it. While you're doing that, the rest of us can get on with using this list for what it was put here for. In case you hadn't noticed, this isn't the 'Bash the BBC' list. Peter (who has no connection with any broadcast organisation, but lots of interest in backstage) -- Peter Bowyer Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/ mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail- archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Percentage of License fee going towards DRM?
Can I hope beyond hope and take it that by "stimulating and provocative" you mean that the powers that be are actually listening to what the people who pay their wages want? On 27 Feb 2007, at 18:31, Jeremy Stone wrote: Yes even the ones that that harp on about DRM noon and night ;) Actually the DRM discussions in recent weeks have been incredibly stimulating and provocative and much appreciated inside BBC towers and I hope for other subscribers. (I always knew I shouldn't try and make weak jokes on mailing lists ;) Jem - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/ mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail- archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Percentage of License fee going towards DRM?
Being fairly new to the list I can only imagine that this DRM thing has dragged on a bit for some of the older members, but I would remind everyone that it's pretty much universally agreed that this is the biggest mistake the BBC have ever made - so it's not like it isn't worth discussing at length. £131 million for a project 35 to 40 per cent of people can't or won't use is fairly dumb in my opinion, but what do I know? I'm just one of those people who has a problem with paying twice for something I can't use once. On 27 Feb 2007, at 14:06, Jeremy Stone wrote: Dear all Can I remind everyone that this is a public mailing list that is archived and searchable. Please keep civil to everyone. Yes even the ones that that harp on about DRM noon and night ;) Thanks Jem -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Gardner Sent: 27 February 2007 13:52 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Percentage of License fee going towards DRM? It would appear from this and other mails I've received that I have the same name as someone who has a track record for trolling. I can assure everyone on the list that this is the first thread this James Gardner has started or replied to on the backstage mailing list, and given the less than wide vocabulary of some, it will be the last. Well done everyone. On 27 Feb 2007, at 13:26, James Ockenden wrote: I would like to know what percentage of my license fee will go towards funding the proposed iPlayer services which are only to be made available to people stupid enough to be using Windows - so that I can withhold that amount from my payment, or seek a refund of that amount back from the BBC. says a guy who is using the excellent ( in fact with Google Docs, above- and beyond- excellent) FREE, gmail service. pay for your email service, you fucking tightwad, and you might have a vaguely moral place from which to make your tiny cock point. Jim Gardner is a nitpicking troll. I always read his posts in a "Terry Wogan reading outraged-from-Picky-on-Twee on Points of View" voice. Mr Forrester, do the decent thing and ban him from this list, it discolours the whole lovely mood of the place. On 27/02/07, Jim Gardner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I would like to know what percentage of my license fee will go towards funding the proposed iPlayer services which are only to be made available to people stupid enough to be using Windows - so that I can withhold that amount from my payment, or seek a refund of that amount back from the BBC. If anyone knows a reliable way of working out this figure, please discuss. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/ 2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http:// www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/ mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail- archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/ mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail- archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Percentage of License fee going towards DRM?
Thanks for a straight answer at last, it's appreciated. I'm sure Microsoft are desperately pleased with themselves for "earning" what ever percentage of that £131 million is theirs. You have to hand it to them, they certainly know how to charge people more money for less functionality. Shame on you BBC. On 27 Feb 2007, at 13:54, Jeremy Stone wrote: The cost of the BBC's On Demand proposals (including the iPlayer) are in the public domain anyway as part of our (BBC's) submission to the BBC Trust and the the resulting Public Value Assessment document. Its worth a look. In section 8 "The proposals will cost the BBC an additional £131m over the five- year period 2006/7– 2011/12." http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/assets/files/pdf/ review_report_research/pvt_iplayer/ondemandpva.pdf thanks Jem From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Neil Aberdeen Sent: 27 February 2007 13:41 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Percentage of License fee going towards DRM? I would like to I would like to know what percentage of my license fee will go towards funding of Seb Potter's employment - so that I can withhold that amount from my payment, or seek a refund of that amount back from the BBC. ;-) Seb Potter wrote: On 27/02/07, Jim Gardner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I would like to know what percentage of my license fee will go towards funding the proposed iPlayer services which are only to be made available to people stupid enough to be using Windows - so that I can withhold that amount from my payment, or seek a refund of that amount back from the BBC. If anyone knows a reliable way of working out this figure, please discuss. This is just my personal opinion, and not that of my employer. Are you a BT customer? If so, you could try to demand a refund of the part of your line rental that goes towards providing phone boxes for those people that don't own a mobile, or towards provision of telephone services in rural areas for those that don't live in a city. Pay council tax? Why not ask for a refund for provision of social services to those people that require social services. Pay income tax? All those people that don't have jobs or need medical care or use any of the thousands of public services that you don't. You could cut your payments down to only those services you use. If you're actually interested in protesting in a productive manner, you could join the public consultation and raise the issue of platform independence: http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/consult/ open_consultations/ondemand_services.html.
Re: [backstage] Percentage of License fee going towards DRM?
He privately mailed me and used words I won't repeat for fear they trigger the spam filter. Is he sub-normal or is that the crack on this list? If so I'm not interested in continuing with it. On 27 Feb 2007, at 14:44, Dave Crossland wrote: On 27/02/07, James Ockenden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: pay for your email service, you fucking tightwad, and you might have a vaguely moral place from which to make your tiny cock point. "The list's House Rules are simple: Be Nice To Each Other and Don't Break The Law. If you are rude or spam the list then you'll be taken off." - http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html Will this policy be acted upon? -- Regards, Dave - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/ mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail- archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Percentage of License fee going towards DRM?
It would appear from this and other mails I've received that I have the same name as someone who has a track record for trolling. I can assure everyone on the list that this is the first thread this James Gardner has started or replied to on the backstage mailing list, and given the less than wide vocabulary of some, it will be the last. Well done everyone. On 27 Feb 2007, at 13:26, James Ockenden wrote: I would like to know what percentage of my license fee will go towards funding the proposed iPlayer services which are only to be made available to people stupid enough to be using Windows - so that I can withhold that amount from my payment, or seek a refund of that amount back from the BBC. says a guy who is using the excellent ( in fact with Google Docs, above- and beyond- excellent) FREE, gmail service. pay for your email service, you fucking tightwad, and you might have a vaguely moral place from which to make your tiny cock point. Jim Gardner is a nitpicking troll. I always read his posts in a "Terry Wogan reading outraged-from-Picky-on-Twee on Points of View" voice. Mr Forrester, do the decent thing and ban him from this list, it discolours the whole lovely mood of the place. On 27/02/07, Jim Gardner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I would like to know what percentage of my license fee will go towards funding the proposed iPlayer services which are only to be made available to people stupid enough to be using Windows - so that I can withhold that amount from my payment, or seek a refund of that amount back from the BBC. If anyone knows a reliable way of working out this figure, please discuss. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/ 2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http:// www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/ mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail- archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] Percentage of License fee going towards DRM?
I would like to know what percentage of my license fee will go towards funding the proposed iPlayer services which are only to be made available to people stupid enough to be using Windows - so that I can withhold that amount from my payment, or seek a refund of that amount back from the BBC. If anyone knows a reliable way of working out this figure, please discuss. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] Re:
Please remember to leave subject headers as they are, so users can organize properly. Thanks. On 26 Feb 2007, at 17:12, Anthony Green wrote: > On 26/02/07, Jason Cartwright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> > Yes, however if you are using other people's server juice and >> > bandwidth then you should pay for it on their terms. Not a big ask. > > If the banner or whatever payment terms they have annoys you, then don't go back. > > >If you don't want me to look at your site, on my terms, don't put it > >on a public network; otherwise I'll do what I like with what you serve > >me, including not taking content (aka adverts)on my PC > Perhaps you'd care to publish a list of the IP addresses you're likely to use a web site from, in order that the owners can comply with your requirements, then. I'd be glad too, for one. At this point someone usually says something along the lines of as soon as you start paying Tim Berners-Lee a license to use the internet, or that information should be free at the point of access etc Tony Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business.
Re: [backstage] BBC and YouTube deal for real??
I think it's more likely to be YouTube content on the beeb rather than the other way around, isn't it? On 21 Feb 2007, at 21:37, vijay chopra wrote: OK, many of you will have seen this by now: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/02/21/1636247 http://www.techsmessage.com/2007/02/21/bbc-and-youtube-in-deal-talks/ But considering all the IP talk that's been going on on the list, is this for real, and if so does anyone know what exactly the Beeb might be planning?? Free Beeb content on YouTube would be good, what purpose would it serve?
