Re: [backstage] The best WebAPIs
which API's have you used which were a joy to use and why? I really like the flickr because they offer a simple api for non-techies in the form of the badge, which even my dad can use (this is a man they type with one finger and that's not one finger on each hand but just one finger). This makes the content really accessible which is important. And on the other end of the spectrum they offer api's that for the true developer that allow you to achieve things like this http://www.webmonkey.com/webmonkey/06/08/index4a_page2.html For me this is awesome becuse it not only shows their content up in a good light. It promotes flickr and can inform their service development; all things that I think backstage is trying to do for the BBC. Important things that I have found useful but may not fall into the realm of api for some people is: For the novice: Restful/guessable/hackable URLs A range of simple standard RSS feeds Examples and easy to use interfaces eg: flickr badge For the not so novice: Parameterised RSS feeds HTTP implemention is always good but the technology in my opinion should be the one that can be used by the most people. Good documentation and often the best documentation is not found on the providers site but on people's blogs, so making the documentation an open wiki would help. neil On 12/6/06, Mr I Forrester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Right Calm down everyone! :) Lets put the debate on hold for now (although I was tempted to throw in a line about the GPL3 drafts). I don't know about everyone else, but I personally think this could make a good podcast if I got a few of you in a room together. Anyway, Its almost 2007 and I wanted to ask a question to the list. One of the things you really want more of, is more BBC API's. Well were working on that but I wanted to ask which API's have you used which were a joy to use and why? Is the documentation, API naming, structuring, amount of data given away or something else? For example, for me Flickr's API is great but I love the security of Del.icio.us. The documentation on Flickr is also very easy to follow and understand while the ability to run XSL serverside on Amazon's servers has been useful. Google Data/Base is very interesting being just ATOM based and I can certainly see more APIs using ATOM as a base result response in the future. Don't worry guys we can pick up the Free Software debate later... Ian Forrester | backstage.bbc.co.uk | cubicgarden.com Laurence Samuels wrote: > You explained these a long time ago, and you kept on repeating what > did not amount to new knowledge. I hope you wont reply to this email. > If you do, I wont reply to the list, I might reply to you privately. > > L - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- "I like work: it fascinates me. I can sit and look at it for hours."
Re: [backstage] Mozilla interview and Backstage Schwag preview
Aral Balkan is a vey talented guy, if anyone can convince you that flash can be used for good its him Also there is a guy called Niklas Richardson you is exceptionally knowledgable about Flex which is the XML base development product that is much more tailored to developers that designers. Flash has come a long way in the last 4 years as a development tool but as with most macromedia products it does suffer from a bad reputation due to duck hunt style ads and the cost On 12/5/06, Ian Forrester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It wasn't till I met Aral Balkan and Niqui Merret at BarCampLondon that I started to accept that my views of Flash were very much old fashioned. Flash has moved on quite a lot and there are real problems still with it but its got a lot better. I still won't use it on my own sites unless its for video or audio playback. But I was always a huge fan of SVG :) Cheers, Ian Forrester || backstage.bbc.co.uk || x83965 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin Belam Sent: 05 December 2006 16:30 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Mozilla interview and Backstage Schwag preview >> I don't know why it seems to be Flash in particular that brings this out in folk. I can tell you that it is no different on the continent either - I spent a very entertaining meeting here in Austria the other week facing exactly the same "The horror! The horror!" reaction to the notion of using Flash :-) all the best, martin - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- "I like work: it fascinates me. I can sit and look at it for hours."
Re: [backstage] Mozilla interview and Backstage Schwag preview
There is hope http://osflash.org/ http://www.contentmanager.net/magazine/news_h20882_adobe_and_mozilla_foundation_to_open_source.html On 12/5/06, Richard Lockwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: No. Not unreasonable. Patronising, possibly. And it wasn't just aimed at you Dave. It happened a few months ago - someone suggests Flash as a powerful and (used properly) useful tool, and the list suddenly fills with vitriolic posts about how evil it is and how all software should be free and open. I don't know why it seems to be Flash in particular that brings this out in folk. Ah well. Cheers, Rich. On 12/5/06, Dave Crossland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 04/12/06, Richard Lockwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > for some reason Flash brings the zealots out in force. ;-) > > I'm not sure why you are calling me a 'zealot'. Did I say something > unreasonable? > > -- > Regards, > Dave > - > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ > - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- "I like work: it fascinates me. I can sit and look at it for hours."
Re: [backstage] Backstage Tag Cloud T-shirt designs
can't you just raise the license fee ;) On 11/16/06, Ian Forrester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I would love that too, but that would add a lot more cost to the T-shirts and that would mean not everyone would get one :( Ian Forrester || backstage.bbc.co.uk || x83965 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nic James Ferrier Sent: 16 November 2006 16:07 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Backstage Tag Cloud T-shirt designs "Ian Forrester" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/news/images/ideas/backstage%20cloud%20tshir > t%20v4.jpg I like this one best. But I really liked the idea of the tag cloud going all round the t-shirt. -- Nic Ferrier http://www.tapsellferrier.co.uk for all your tapsell ferrier needs - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- "I like work: it fascinates me. I can sit and look at it for hours."
Re: [backstage] New backstage.bbc.co.uk website
How about some sort of matching service between people with the ideas and the people with a knowhow to implement them. You could for example open up the ideas section to more main stream sections of the bbc audience a kind of 'tell us what you want suggestion service'. Then based on that you put the best ideas to a public online vote. (giving some indication of demand) The final stage would be to make them happen by getting teams of techies involved (building a team based on the required skills).I know backstage does much of this already but it think the concept of voting for ideas and putting togther teams to build them would be a good addition. thoughts ??On 10/11/06, Gordon Joly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: At 15:55 +0100 10/10/06, Mr I Forrester wrote:>Gordon Joly wrote:>>>At 18:37 +0100 5/10/06, Brian Butterworth wrote:>>>Perhaps there should be a 'tech' and 'no-tech' version of the site. >>>You mean like "us and them"?GordoThat's certainly something we are trying to get away from - us and them.>>There's a gradient of abilities and goals for people when it comes >to Backstage.And real life?>For example, there are people who want to put relevant news on the>side panel of there site and some people who just want to read the>latest news in Chinese on there Blackberry. You could say the first >one is more easy than the second one but does it really matter? From>our point of view, they are both looking to use BBC content in a way>we may not have considered. Who knows, a prototype which takes >Chinese feeds and coverts them to a format which is easily>digestible on Blackberry might hit a large audience which we never>knew existed before.>>That's the joy of backstage :)> >Cheers,>>Ian>And the Joy of Lex!Gordo--"Think Feynman"/http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]///-Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- "I like work: it fascinates me. I can sit and look at it for hours."
Re: [backstage] Flickr releases Geotagging for photos
but it already has ... kinda :Dhttp://bbctags.headshift.com/On 8/29/06, Davy Mitchell < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Looking forward to news.bbc.co.uk having tagging :-)Especially since sub-categories were dropped recently.Cheers,Davy--Davy MitchellMood News - BBC News Headlines Auto-Classified as Good, Bad or Neutral. http://www.latedecember.com/sites/moodnews/-Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/-- "I like work: it fascinates me. I can sit and look at it for hours."
Re: [backstage] Random idea for someone - Creative Archive Clips indexing
Hi Ian, I don't know if you seen this prototype that we did for backstage tagging the news site earlier in the year, it allows you to tag create an account and tag most things on the bbc news site which might help. You can access it here http://bbctags.headshift.com/ if you have any questions about how we did it etc i'm here all week ;) NeilOn 12/19/05, Ian Forrester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm expecting to do some projects with the engine running these sites really soon, obviously under a Backstage BBC licence.I'm generally interested if tagging of news stories outside of the UK is/will be popular, if that gives you enough of a hint to what I'm proposing :)Ian Forrester | BBC World Service [New Media Software Engineer](hoping this email will go through to the backstage mailing list)> -Original Message-> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Kim Plowright> Sent: 16 December 2005 16:22> To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk> Subject: RE: [backstage] Random idea for someone - Creative> Archive Clips indexing>> Thanks Dimitri, I will.>> Alas, IANADeveloper... Just posted in case someone was > thinking along these lines and could use something to get> their teeth into...>> K>> -Original Message-> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Dmitry Kuchin> Sent: 16 December 2005 14:56> To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk> Subject: RE: [backstage] Random idea for someone - Creative> Archive Clips indexing>>> Take a look at my projects, http://myprogs.net ,> http://reader2.com and newborn http://myfilmz.net to see if> the engine behind them suits your needs (of course after some> work applied). The engine runs on PHP+MySQL. >> Dima Kuchin> http://k78.info>> -Original Message-> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Kim Plowright> Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 2:12 PM> To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk> Subject: [backstage] Random idea for someone - Creative> Archive Clips indexing>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/calc/radio1/ > http://creative.bfi.org.uk/> http://www.channel4.com/learning/microsites/I/ideasfactory/pix > nmix/index> .html>> Hello,>> No idea what the Creative Archive team are planning around> clips. But it stuck me that the clips that are available (in> three different places) are a bit difficult to get to, > categorise, download in bulk etc.>> If there's anyone out there interested in video search /> social tagging / yadda yadda it might make an interesting> start to a project?> > Kim>> Kim Plowright> New Product Development SCP, BBC iD&E>> MC1 D6 08, Media Centre, BBC Media Village, 201 Wood Lane,> London, W12 7TQ> T: +44 (0) 020 800 83413 | M: +44 (0) 7980 303 908 | F: +44 > (0) 20 800 83480 http://www.bbc.co.uk/entertainment> http://www.bbc.co.uk/drama>>> -> Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To> unsubscribe, please visit> http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html .> Unofficial list archive:> http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/>> -> Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To> unsubscribe, please visit> http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html .> Unofficial list archive:> http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/>> -> Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To> unsubscribe, please visit> http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html .> Unofficial list archive:> http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/>-Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/-- Damitan mo man ang matsing, matsing pa rin. (A monkey dressed up is still a monkey.)
Re: [backstage] Idea: Calendar Feeds
interesting idea, I can't offer much insight apart from while trying to find out what iCal and xCal where I came across the mozilla Calendar project which might point you in the right direct of what standards to use here http://www.innerjoin.org/iCalendar/import-export-xCal.html and here http://www.mozilla.org/projects/calendar/ one way I would love to see this applied to Beeb content would be on the along the lines of I missed a program on bbc 1 then I would be notified of when its repeated on bbc 4 say (or vice versa) ... maybe ...On 11/30/05, David Burden <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: This was prompted by all the recent chat about Perl Monger events, meet-ups etc (but will also relate to the BBC honest!). What I would find really useful would be the ability to subscribe to calendar/event feeds in the same way that I do to RSS feeds. That way I could have an aggregated browser page that showed me all the events that might interest me over the coming weeks. I don't want to dump the stuff into Outlook as these are "might do" rather than "will do" things, and anyway I want to get them from anywhere or feed them into another application. In my mind I see an RSS type feed, but like the RSS attributes discussion earlier it just has tags for things like etc. I could even search the TVAnytime data for my favourite programmes and generate the requisite feed and have it populate the diary for me (and warn me when I'm going to miss something!). Is there such a standard/application out there? I've looked at vCal but its not XML based and seems old-fashioned (but widely adopted), and its unclear whether xCal has made it into the real world yet. Or I could just use a different namespace in a standard RSS feed I suppose. If I was going to build such an app, and then encourage event organisers/media companies etc to generate feeds, what would be the best standard to go for? Or is there a far simpler way to do all this that I'm missing because it's getting late! David -- Damitan mo man ang matsing, matsing pa rin. (A monkey dressed up is still a monkey.)
