Re: [backstage] Free as in 'Freedom'
People, places and possessions get used all the time without their consent by the big broadcasters. The only difference is that the broadcasters have used their own hardware to capture the image or sound, etc. Why is okay for broadcasters to consider their work copyright protected, but they have no consideration for the initial 'copyright' of the people involved? On 9 Oct 2009, at 11:45, Michael Smethurst wrote: and this old chestnut http://www.creativecommons.org.au/node/126 -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk on behalf of Robin Doran Sent: Fri 10/9/2009 11:25 AM To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] Free as in 'Freedom' Anyone remember this for earlier in the year? Prime example of privacy and personal respect being abused. A company in Prague used a family picture off facebook for commercial purposes without consent, attribution, etc. http://www.extraordinarymommy.com/blog/are-you-kidding-me/stolen-picture / -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of David Tomlinson Sent: 09 October 2009 11:09 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Free as in 'Freedom' Mo McRoberts wrote: On 9-Oct-2009, at 00:21, David Tomlinson wrote: For obvious reasons I do not wish to discuss children as a subject anymore. It's not obvious at all. People need to stop with the nervousness when the words children and photograph appear in a sentence together; it's, for want of a better term, childish and ridiculous. It's also pretty salient, given it's a straightforward example of a copyright-holder having a current ability to exercise control without having to resort to onerous trust mechanisms. Your position has a distinct lack of great upsides as compared to the status quo, but it -does- have some significant flaws, and I say that retaining the view that copyright as it exists today is flawed in some fairly serious ways. No the mention of Children and Photograph just distorts everything it touches, so there are better examples, where privacy or personal images are concerned. Copyright is almost useless for controlling something that does not involve commercial interests in practice. The fact is that most images are not worth anything unless used commercially, except to the owner. And that is a privacy and personal respect issue. This text is copyright, even if I don't care if someone copies it, but that is another thing, attribution and source become important, in other words reputation systems etc. As for upsides, the only one copyright has, is you are familiar with it. The Besson and Mason paper covers the accumulation of rights, that forms a thicket and stops progress (patents). A similar thing applies with copyright. You can find the copyright owner, the rights clearance process is complex. Quintin Tarentino who has resources available talked at length on Radio 4 about the difficulties of getting clearance on original music for films. Having a designer chair in the background of a shot in a film is a nightmare. Speaking of films, they also suffer from the monopoly attributes of runaway costs and marketing so as to limit choice and exclude competition, and thoose poor A lister have to manage on 20 Million USD per film (2 per year ?). I have just started to put the case, to do so requires a book. http://www.dklevine.com/general/intellectual/againstfinal.htm Here is one that makes the case, it is available free as a pdf from the website. But even this does not cover the whole argument in favour of abolishing copyright and patents. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html . Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ winmail.dat - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC NEWS | Technology | Flash moves on to smart phones
Hopefully. HTML5 will kill off flash once and for all. Some hope! On 5 Oct 2009, at 14:19, Dan Brickley wrote: Great news, phone fans! http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8287239.stm One of the most common technologies for watching video on a computer will soon be available for most smartphones. Flash software is used to deliver around 75% of online video and is the key technology that underpins websites such as YouTube and Google Video. Until now, many smartphones and netbooks have used a light version of the program, because of the limited processing power of the devices. The new software is intended to work as well on a smartphone as a desktop PC. Adobe, the maker of Flash, said it should be available on most higher-end handsets by 2010, although Apple's iPhone would continue not to use the software. The sort of rich apps we now see being delivered on PCs will now be coming to the phone, Ben Wood, director of mobile research at analyst firm CCS Insight, told BBC News. You'll be able to access a lot of the cool stuff that web designers are coming up with. ... Apple anomaly ... The new software will be available for Windows Mobile, Palm webOS and desktop operating systems including Windows, Macintosh and Linux later this year. Trial software for Google Android and the popular Symbian operating systems are expected to be available in early 2010. However, it will not be available for the Apple iPhone, according to Mr Muraka. We're going to need Apple's cooperation, he told BBC News. At the moment Safari (Apple's web browser) doesn't support any kind of plug-in [on the iPhone]. But we'd love to see it on there. Mr Wood said he thought that time would come soon. As momentum builds, I think Apple will have little choice but to embrace it [Flash], he said. Watch this space. Apple did not respond to requests for comment. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html . Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Get me off this list!
PLEASE - I second this! On 11 Sep 2009, at 15:03, Simon Cross wrote: Me too. Can someone please fix the unsubscribe? S On 10/09/2009 15:05, Alun Rowe alun.r...@pentangle.co.uk wrote: Visiting this: http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html Then putting in my details and pressing GO sends me to http://www.bbc.co.uk/cgi-bin/cgiemail/creativearchive/backstage/discuss.txt Which says: Error No email was sent due to an error. 500 Could not open template - No such file or directory /home/system/www/creativearchive/backstage/discuss.txt cgiemail 1.6 Help! -- Simon Cross Product Manager, BBC iD Online Media Group, Future Media and Technology, BC4 C4, Broadcast Centre, White City simon.cr...@bbc.co.uk 07967 444 304 twitter: sicross
[backstage] Radio 4 iplayer
Trying to log on to R4 live on iPlayer and it asks: To view this page, you need to log in to area Staging Server on nmswww0.mh.bbc.co.uk and it then asks for a user name and password. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Radio 4 iplayer
Thanks, Marc Was just letting you know in case you didn't know On 20 Feb 2009, at 09:04, Marc Gilbert wrote: We're aware of this and are looking in to it as a matter of urgency. Will update the list when we have a resolution. Apologies for the disruption. Marc Gilbert Product Manager BBC iPlayer Publishing Services -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Zen Sent: 20 February 2009 08:54 To: Backstage BBC Subject: [backstage] Radio 4 iplayer Trying to log on to R4 live on iPlayer and it asks: To view this page, you need to log in to area Staging Server on nmswww0.mh.bbc.co.uk and it then asks for a user name and password. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html . Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Make the primary operating system used in state schools free and open source
I can't see the ed sector taking on free software in any great volume in the near future ... the issues around support and compatibility (with workplaces and what parents have at home) are just too great. If there was to be a shift away from MS/Windows, I think it is more likely to be in the direction of Apple and OSX. Apple are hooking kids with iPods and iPhones and the step from using an iPod (and iTunes on Win or OSX) or an iPhone to using a Mac running OSX is tiny. OSX with iWork does virtually everything people need. Someone mentioned earlier on that kids don't even get taught how to type in schools, but I think that's a minor issue ... I know plenty of kids who haven't been taught to touch type properly but who can whizz around their keyboards, mice, iPods, touch screens, etc faster than most touch typists. The keyboard as an interface will be less and less important as technologies develop (especially voice inputs). The total cost of ownership of a Mac is (in my experience) far lower than running Windows machines. The hardware purchase price is high, but the OS is MILES cheaper (and miles more reliable) and iWork can do pretty much everything the average user needs for a lot less money than MS Office. If MS want to compete in the years ahead, they radically need to drop their prices. Also, society is becoming far more creative and interactive socially and job wise. People need tools to get the job done simply - they don't care how those tools are made and they don't want to learn how to make the tools. Apple gives people software that works. They boot up and are productive more or less straight away. There's no need to learn how the OS works. There's no need to learn how to use MS Office. If people can use iTunes, they can pretty much intuitively use any part of Apple's core software suites (iWork and iLife). And the OS doesn't break all the time and it doesn't need a lot of IT support. A UK school example from Apple: http://www.apple.com/uk/education/profiles/bryanston/ And another thing is the growth of Apple not just in the iPod youth centred market, but in the Mac/PC market in the US - especially in US universities where the US is today, we often follow. An example: http://blogs.eweek.com/applewatch/content/macbook/is_apples_mac_u_pic_worth_a_thousand_words.html Apple have been so smart in grabbing the attention of the iGeneration ... so long as they don't lose momentum, they have the potential to surpass MS in many markets. There was a TV docu the other day about newspapers in the UK - virtually every office shot showed banks of people using Apples. Media based, I know - but half the population want a media related job these days. People don't want free software. They want software that 'just works and which doesn't cost an arm and a leg. They don't want the confusion of tons of MS Windows' flavours. Apple ticks all of those boxes and with the iPoders growing up and buying PCs the Windows market share will fall. People won;t switch to free OS platforms. On 11 Feb 2009, at 12:10, Matt Barber wrote: What about all the jobs that people have when they develop software that is paid for and licensed? If the switch to free software were to suddenly happen, would these people find themselves out of work? This isn't a stab at anybody, it's just an observation that I'd like to put in there. And I'm genuinely interested in the response from enthusiasts to the idea. Also, I am a fan of both closed, and open software, using Microsoft and Mozilla products, enjoying and consuming DRM-Free media content. I don't often enjoy getting involved in open/closed/free/however discussions because I find they are very one sided a lot of the time. Speaking of Linux in schools - I do find that out of the many Linux distributions that I have used, Ubuntu included, none were up to scratch to use in either a production or play environment for me. Flaky support - annoying buggy features that waste time instead of saving time, just unusual ways of working. That's my 'used to XP' side shining through. XP does what I want now - and to be frank, is reliable and fast. At least how I have it set up. I do see the fun in being able to tweak the OS, and really get to grips with it's operation - if kids in computer science / computing / IT classes were taught to think that way then we would have a better IT society. But we must consider that first, we need a good platform to work from. Where I work, we are able to choose whichever platform works best for us, as long as it doesn't affect productivity. Trouble is, schools are more important than the workplace in my opinion - and the kids might not know what they want just yet. Maybe that's the point this thread is trying to prove? - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit
