[backstage] Fwd: who to ask: SVG in weather feeds?

2007-09-02 Thread ~ : '' ありがとうございました 。

Kathryn,

back from holiday myself, perhaps you are too?
awaiting your response on both these issues:

the discrepancy between symbols and labels on the feed

where are the BBC's SVG weather icons and might the RSS feeds use them?

cheers

Jonathan Chetwynd



On 25 Jul 2007, at 15:33, ~:'' ありがとうございました。  
wrote:


Kathryn,

thanks for your prompt and encouraging replies**

the weather gifs are poor imitations of original artwork that is  
almost certainly produced and available in SVG format*.  It may be  
that the BBC doesn't own the original artwork, if so who does?


For relatively little overhead the BBC's RSS feed could add links to  
the original SVG art.


almost everything I publish is public domain, however my SVG feed  
viewer is currently offline.
due to the relatively long delays these matters can have, I produced  
my own SVG weather symbols set.


the BBC might even beat me and provide the first SVG feed.
well I have been asking, and yet to find or be pointed to one ~:


best wishes

Jonathan Chetwynd

*The benefit being that a similar size file is fully scaleable and  
far more attractive. Opera, Mozilla and Safari display SVG natively,  
that is without a plugin. http://www.peepo.co.uk is one example of SVG.



On 25 Jul 2007, at 11:38, Kathryn Schmitt wrote:

Hello there,

'Tis I.  We don't have any SVG icons.  Do you mean the gif images of
weather symbols used on the 5 day forecast pages?  Feel free to contact
me off list with your answer...I doubt this conversation is of general
interest to the list.

As for the descrepancy between symbols and labels on the feed, I will
investigate.

Best,
Kass

Kathryn Schmitt
Senior Developer
BBC Weather Centre
2026 Television Centre
T: 020 82259448
M: 0771 7582482

www.bbc.co.uk/weather
www.bbc.co.uk/climate




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SVG weather feeds: who to ask?

Who at the BBC publishes the weather feeds?

Is there a good reason the SVG icons are not linked within the feed?

regards

Jonathan Chetwynd



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Re: [backstage] Fwd: who to ask: SVG in weather feeds?

2007-09-02 Thread Adam

Jonathan,

It is really worth the BBC using SVG Graphics when at least 80% of  
internet users are unable to view them.  Currently there doesn't  
appear to be a SVG viewer for IE.


Adam

Quoting ~:''  [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


Kathryn,

back from holiday myself, perhaps you are too?
awaiting your response on both these issues:

the discrepancy between symbols and labels on the feed

where are the BBC's SVG weather icons and might the RSS feeds use them?

cheers

Jonathan Chetwynd



On 25 Jul 2007, at 15:33, ~:''  wrote:

Kathryn,

thanks for your prompt and encouraging replies**

the weather gifs are poor imitations of original artwork that is almost
certainly produced and available in SVG format*.  It may be that the
BBC doesn't own the original artwork, if so who does?

For relatively little overhead the BBC's RSS feed could add links to
the original SVG art.

almost everything I publish is public domain, however my SVG feed
viewer is currently offline.
due to the relatively long delays these matters can have, I produced my
own SVG weather symbols set.

the BBC might even beat me and provide the first SVG feed.
well I have been asking, and yet to find or be pointed to one ~:


best wishes

Jonathan Chetwynd

*The benefit being that a similar size file is fully scaleable and far
more attractive. Opera, Mozilla and Safari display SVG natively, that
is without a plugin. http://www.peepo.co.uk is one example of SVG.


On 25 Jul 2007, at 11:38, Kathryn Schmitt wrote:

Hello there,

'Tis I.  We don't have any SVG icons.  Do you mean the gif images of
weather symbols used on the 5 day forecast pages?  Feel free to contact
me off list with your answer...I doubt this conversation is of general
interest to the list.

As for the descrepancy between symbols and labels on the feed, I will
investigate.

Best,
Kass

Kathryn Schmitt
Senior Developer
BBC Weather Centre
2026 Television Centre
T: 020 82259448
M: 0771 7582482

www.bbc.co.uk/weather
www.bbc.co.uk/climate




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Subject: [backstage] who to ask: SVG in weather feeds?

SVG weather feeds: who to ask?

Who at the BBC publishes the weather feeds?

Is there a good reason the SVG icons are not linked within the feed?

regards

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Re: [backstage] Fwd: who to ask: SVG in weather feeds?

2007-09-02 Thread Brian Butterworth
Wikipedia can do it!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Svg_example3.svg


On 02/09/07, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Is there a backend render that can be used instead when there is no
 plugin?  Best of both worlds then...

 On 02/09/07, Adam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Jonathan,
 
  It is really worth the BBC using SVG Graphics when at least 80% of
  internet users are unable to view them.  Currently there doesn't
  appear to be a SVG viewer for IE.
 
  Adam
 
  Quoting ~:''  [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 
   Kathryn,
  
   back from holiday myself, perhaps you are too?
   awaiting your response on both these issues:
  
 the discrepancy between symbols and labels on the feed
  
 where are the BBC's SVG weather icons and might the RSS feeds
  use them?
  
   cheers
  
   Jonathan Chetwynd
  
  
  
   On 25 Jul 2007, at 15:33, ~:''  wrote:
  
   Kathryn,
  
   thanks for your prompt and encouraging replies**
  
   the weather gifs are poor imitations of original artwork that is
  almost
   certainly produced and available in SVG format*.  It may be that the
   BBC doesn't own the original artwork, if so who does?
  
   For relatively little overhead the BBC's RSS feed could add links to
   the original SVG art.
  
   almost everything I publish is public domain, however my SVG feed
   viewer is currently offline.
   due to the relatively long delays these matters can have, I produced
  my
   own SVG weather symbols set.
  
   the BBC might even beat me and provide the first SVG feed.
   well I have been asking, and yet to find or be pointed to one ~:
  
  
   best wishes
  
   Jonathan Chetwynd
  
   *The benefit being that a similar size file is fully scaleable and far
   more attractive. Opera, Mozilla and Safari display SVG natively, that
   is without a plugin. http://www.peepo.co.uk is one example of SVG.
  
  
   On 25 Jul 2007, at 11:38, Kathryn Schmitt wrote:
  
   Hello there,
  
   'Tis I.  We don't have any SVG icons.  Do you mean the gif images of
   weather symbols used on the 5 day forecast pages?  Feel free to
  contact
   me off list with your answer...I doubt this conversation is of general
 
   interest to the list.
  
   As for the descrepancy between symbols and labels on the feed, I will
   investigate.
  
   Best,
   Kass
  
   Kathryn Schmitt
   Senior Developer
   BBC Weather Centre
   2026 Television Centre
   T: 020 82259448
   M: 0771 7582482
  
   www.bbc.co.uk/weather
   www.bbc.co.uk/climate
  
  
  
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   Subject: [backstage] who to ask: SVG in weather feeds?
  
   SVG weather feeds: who to ask?
  
   Who at the BBC publishes the weather feeds?
  
   Is there a good reason the SVG icons are not linked within the feed?
  
   regards
  
   Jonathan Chetwynd
  
  
  
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Re: [backstage] Fwd: who to ask: SVG in weather feeds?

2007-09-02 Thread ~:'' ありがとうございました 。

Adam,

it's relatively simple to code so that svg defaults to gif or jpeg  
where no viewer is present
as there is virtually no cost and considerable benefit for apparently  
20% then yes it is worth it...


one really excellent reason is to help discover and develop popular  
SVG user interfaces.

flash has benefited enormously form being first in field...

cheers

Jonathan Chetwynd
Accessibility Consultant on Media Literacy and the Internet



On 2 Sep 2007, at 13:03, Adam wrote:

Jonathan,

It is really worth the BBC using SVG Graphics when at least 80% of  
internet users are unable to view them.  Currently there doesn't  
appear to be a SVG viewer for IE.


Adam

Quoting ~:''  [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


Kathryn,

back from holiday myself, perhaps you are too?
awaiting your response on both these issues:

the discrepancy between symbols and labels on the feed

	where are the BBC's SVG weather icons and might the RSS feeds use  
them?


cheers

Jonathan Chetwynd



On 25 Jul 2007, at 15:33, ~:''  wrote:

Kathryn,

thanks for your prompt and encouraging replies**

the weather gifs are poor imitations of original artwork that is  
almost

certainly produced and available in SVG format*.  It may be that the
BBC doesn't own the original artwork, if so who does?

For relatively little overhead the BBC's RSS feed could add links to
the original SVG art.

almost everything I publish is public domain, however my SVG feed
viewer is currently offline.
due to the relatively long delays these matters can have, I  
produced my

own SVG weather symbols set.

the BBC might even beat me and provide the first SVG feed.
well I have been asking, and yet to find or be pointed to one ~:


best wishes

Jonathan Chetwynd

*The benefit being that a similar size file is fully scaleable and far
more attractive. Opera, Mozilla and Safari display SVG natively, that
is without a plugin. http://www.peepo.co.uk is one example of SVG.


On 25 Jul 2007, at 11:38, Kathryn Schmitt wrote:

Hello there,

'Tis I.  We don't have any SVG icons.  Do you mean the gif images of
weather symbols used on the 5 day forecast pages?  Feel free to  
contact

me off list with your answer...I doubt this conversation is of general
interest to the list.

As for the descrepancy between symbols and labels on the feed, I will
investigate.

Best,
Kass

Kathryn Schmitt
Senior Developer
BBC Weather Centre
2026 Television Centre
T: 020 82259448
M: 0771 7582482

www.bbc.co.uk/weather
www.bbc.co.uk/climate




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Subject: [backstage] who to ask: SVG in weather feeds?

SVG weather feeds: who to ask?

Who at the BBC publishes the weather feeds?

Is there a good reason the SVG icons are not linked within the feed?

regards

Jonathan Chetwynd



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Re: [backstage] Fwd: who to ask: SVG in weather feeds?

2007-09-02 Thread Adam
That doesn't work as they are sending a PNG file to all browsers which  
is pointless as i might as well just not bother.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e8/Svg_example3.svg/467px-Svg_example3.svg.png

Okay, so SVG is great for resizing image, but for icons i can't see  
any advantage of having them working when 80% of the time you would  
need to send an Jpeg/Gif/PNG image.


I currently have to spend enough time working around bugs in all the  
browsers, i don't really want to add another problem to the mix.


Quoting Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


Wikipedia can do it!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Svg_example3.svg


On 02/09/07, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Is there a backend render that can be used instead when there is no
plugin?  Best of both worlds then...

On 02/09/07, Adam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Jonathan,

 It is really worth the BBC using SVG Graphics when at least 80% of
 internet users are unable to view them.  Currently there doesn't
 appear to be a SVG viewer for IE.

 Adam

 Quoting ~:''  [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

  Kathryn,
 
  back from holiday myself, perhaps you are too?
  awaiting your response on both these issues:
 
the discrepancy between symbols and labels on the feed
 
where are the BBC's SVG weather icons and might the RSS feeds
 use them?
 
  cheers
 
  Jonathan Chetwynd
 
 
 
  On 25 Jul 2007, at 15:33, ~:''  wrote:
 
  Kathryn,
 
  thanks for your prompt and encouraging replies**
 
  the weather gifs are poor imitations of original artwork that is
 almost
  certainly produced and available in SVG format*.  It may be that the
  BBC doesn't own the original artwork, if so who does?
 
  For relatively little overhead the BBC's RSS feed could add links to
  the original SVG art.
 
  almost everything I publish is public domain, however my SVG feed
  viewer is currently offline.
  due to the relatively long delays these matters can have, I produced
 my
  own SVG weather symbols set.
 
  the BBC might even beat me and provide the first SVG feed.
  well I have been asking, and yet to find or be pointed to one ~:
 
 
  best wishes
 
  Jonathan Chetwynd
 
  *The benefit being that a similar size file is fully scaleable and far
  more attractive. Opera, Mozilla and Safari display SVG natively, that
  is without a plugin. http://www.peepo.co.uk is one example of SVG.
 
 
  On 25 Jul 2007, at 11:38, Kathryn Schmitt wrote:
 
  Hello there,
 
  'Tis I.  We don't have any SVG icons.  Do you mean the gif images of
  weather symbols used on the 5 day forecast pages?  Feel free to
 contact
  me off list with your answer...I doubt this conversation is of general

  interest to the list.
 
  As for the descrepancy between symbols and labels on the feed, I will
  investigate.
 
  Best,
  Kass
 
  Kathryn Schmitt
  Senior Developer
  BBC Weather Centre
  2026 Television Centre
  T: 020 82259448
  M: 0771 7582482
 
  www.bbc.co.uk/weather
  www.bbc.co.uk/climate
 
 
 
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  Subject: [backstage] who to ask: SVG in weather feeds?
 
  SVG weather feeds: who to ask?
 
  Who at the BBC publishes the weather feeds?
 
  Is there a good reason the SVG icons are not linked within the feed?
 
  regards
 
  Jonathan Chetwynd
 
 
 
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Re: [backstage] Fwd: who to ask: SVG in weather feeds?

2007-09-02 Thread Gordon Joly




At 14:06 +0100 2/9/07, Brian Butterworth wrote:

Wikipedia can do it!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Svg_example3.svghttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Svg_example3.svg






Statically, not dynamically?

Render is as render does,

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Re: [backstage] Fwd: who to ask: SVG in weather feeds?

2007-09-02 Thread Mark Piggott
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Sent: Sunday, 2 September, 2007 8:56:33 AM
Subject: [backstage] Fwd: who to ask: SVG in weather feeds?


Kathryn,

back from holiday myself, perhaps you are too?
awaiting your response on both these issues:

the discrepancy between symbols and labels on the feed

where are the BBC's SVG weather icons and might the RSS feeds use them?

cheers

Jonathan Chetwynd



On 25 Jul 2007, at 15:33, ~:'' ありがとうございました。  
wrote:

Kathryn,

thanks for your prompt and encouraging replies**

the weather gifs are poor imitations of original artwork that is  
almost certainly produced and available in SVG format*.  It may be  
that the BBC doesn't own the original artwork, if so who does?

For relatively little overhead the BBC's RSS feed could add links to  
the original SVG art.

almost everything I publish is public domain, however my SVG feed  
viewer is currently offline.
due to the relatively long delays these matters can have, I produced  
my own SVG weather symbols set.

the BBC might even beat me and provide the first SVG feed.
well I have been asking, and yet to find or be pointed to one ~:


best wishes

Jonathan Chetwynd

*The benefit being that a similar size file is fully scaleable and  
far more attractive. Opera, Mozilla and Safari display SVG natively,  
that is without a plugin. http://www.peepo.co.uk is one example of SVG.


On 25 Jul 2007, at 11:38, Kathryn Schmitt wrote:

Hello there,

'Tis I.  We don't have any SVG icons.  Do you mean the gif images of
weather symbols used on the 5 day forecast pages?  Feel free to contact
me off list with your answer...I doubt this conversation is of general
interest to the list.

As for the descrepancy between symbols and labels on the feed, I will
investigate.

Best,
Kass

Kathryn Schmitt
Senior Developer
BBC Weather Centre
2026 Television Centre
T: 020 82259448
M: 0771 7582482

www.bbc.co.uk/weather
www.bbc.co.uk/climate



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Re: [backstage] Fwd: who to ask: SVG in weather feeds?

2007-09-02 Thread Brian Butterworth
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 Kathryn,

 back from holiday myself, perhaps you are too?
 awaiting your response on both these issues:

 the discrepancy between symbols and labels on the feed

 where are the BBC's SVG weather icons and might the RSS feeds use
 them?

 cheers

 Jonathan Chetwynd



 On 25 Jul 2007, at 15:33, ~:'' ありがとうございました。
 wrote:

 Kathryn,

 thanks for your prompt and encouraging replies**

 the weather gifs are poor imitations of original artwork that is
 almost certainly produced and available in SVG format*.  It may be
 that the BBC doesn't own the original artwork, if so who does?

 For relatively little overhead the BBC's RSS feed could add links to
 the original SVG art.

 almost everything I publish is public domain, however my SVG feed
 viewer is currently offline.
 due to the relatively long delays these matters can have, I produced
 my own SVG weather symbols set.

 the BBC might even beat me and provide the first SVG feed.
 well I have been asking, and yet to find or be pointed to one ~:


 best wishes

 Jonathan Chetwynd

 *The benefit being that a similar size file is fully scaleable and
 far more attractive. Opera, Mozilla and Safari display SVG natively,
 that is without a plugin. http://www.peepo.co.uk is one example of SVG.


 On 25 Jul 2007, at 11:38, Kathryn Schmitt wrote:

 Hello there,

 'Tis I.  We don't have any SVG icons.  Do you mean the gif images of
 weather symbols used on the 5 day forecast pages?  Feel free to contact
 me off list with your answer...I doubt this conversation is of general
 interest to the list.

 As for the descrepancy between symbols and labels on the feed, I will
 investigate.

 Best,
 Kass

 Kathryn Schmitt
 Senior Developer
 BBC Weather Centre
 2026 Television Centre
 T: 020 82259448
 M: 0771 7582482

 www.bbc.co.uk/weather
 www.bbc.co.uk/climate



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  SVG weather feeds: who to ask?
 
  Who at the BBC publishes the weather feeds?
 
  Is there a good reason the SVG icons are not linked within the feed?
 
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