Re: [backstage] MusicDNA and ItunesLP
True. However it would remove any legal problems with the file format, as it is not covered by any patent. There must be some point in the not-distant future that raw-WAV would just emerge again "for simplicity". 2010/1/26 Stephen Jolly > On 26 Jan 2010, at 16:22, Brian Butterworth wrote: > > Surely there is a point, because Moore's Law is exponential where it just > becomes too much hassle to do the encoding and decoding because storing and > carrying the data raw will have reached "free". > > Yeah, but OTOH the processing power to do the encoding and decoding is also > "free". > > S > > > - > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please > visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. > Unofficial list archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ > -- Brian Butterworth follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/briantist web: http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002
Re: [backstage] MusicDNA and ItunesLP
On 26 Jan 2010, at 16:22, Brian Butterworth wrote: > Surely there is a point, because Moore's Law is exponential where it just > becomes too much hassle to do the encoding and decoding because storing and > carrying the data raw will have reached "free". Yeah, but OTOH the processing power to do the encoding and decoding is also "free". S - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] MusicDNA and ItunesLP
Surely there is a point, because Moore's Law is exponential where it just becomes too much hassle to do the encoding and decoding because storing and carrying the data raw will have reached "free". 2010/1/26 Mo McRoberts > On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 15:41, Brian Butterworth > wrote: > > Storage and bandwidth is almost getting to the point where we could use > raw > > PCM... > > Well, there's not a lot of point when there's lossless compression > which can contain metadata (FLAC[0], ALAC, etc) :) > > M. > > > [0] I *think* FLAC supports embedded metadata? haven't used it in > years, to be honest. > - > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please > visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. > Unofficial list archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ > -- Brian Butterworth follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/briantist web: http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002
Re: [backstage] MusicDNA and ItunesLP
On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 15:41, Brian Butterworth wrote: > Storage and bandwidth is almost getting to the point where we could use raw > PCM... Well, there's not a lot of point when there's lossless compression which can contain metadata (FLAC[0], ALAC, etc) :) M. [0] I *think* FLAC supports embedded metadata? haven't used it in years, to be honest. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] MusicDNA and ItunesLP
Storage and bandwidth is almost getting to the point where we could use raw PCM... 2010/1/26 Stephen Jolly > > On 26 Jan 2010, at 13:15, Mo McRoberts wrote: > > Last I looked, AAC was the successor to MP3 :) > > Yeah, or MP3Pro. There are no shortage of wannabe successors... > > S > > - > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please > visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. > Unofficial list archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ > -- Brian Butterworth follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/briantist web: http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002
Re: [backstage] MusicDNA and ItunesLP
On 26 Jan 2010, at 13:15, Mo McRoberts wrote: > Last I looked, AAC was the successor to MP3 :) Yeah, or MP3Pro. There are no shortage of wannabe successors... S - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] MusicDNA and ItunesLP
Ian Forrester wrote: http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2010/01/is-the-world-ready-for-the-successor-of-the-mp3/ This is meant to make music piricay less tempting, so they say. There's an off-putting quote in this report about it: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8478310.stm "We can deliver a file that is extremely searchable and can carry > up to 32GB of extra information in the file itself. And it will be > dynamically updatable so that every time the user is connected, > his file will be updated." Uh-oh. There goes my bandwidth if I start iTunes and it decides to check and update my 12,000 tracks. Never mind the potential for more Kindle-1984 scenarios. -- Frank Wales [fr...@limov.com] - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] MusicDNA and ItunesLP
It seemed like one of those "next generation internet" stories that appear from time to time, viz http://ow.ly/10zCj User benefits = zero, adoption likelihood = zero 2010/1/26 Mo McRoberts > On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 13:01, Ian Forrester > wrote: > > > http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2010/01/is-the-world-ready-for-the-successor-of-the-mp3/ > > > > This is meant to make music piricay less tempting, so they say. > > Yes, cut off your remaining source of revenue for people who don't buy > the stuff by making it harder for them to get up-to-date gig listings > and such. > > > I just can't understand why someone hasn't made a decent XML format to > describe related items to a local or even remote tune/media. Yes I've looked > at itunesLP and came away feeling a bit dirty ( > http://ituneslp.net/tutorials/). > > iTunes LP is really just a variant of iTunes Extras, whose aim was to > bring DVD-like content to iTunes movies - LP was a convenient > re-purposing of it... > > The answer is probably 'what's the point?' -- the number of people who > need to support it in order for it to be in any way successful is > staggering, which is what's likely to kill MusicDNA. > > I'm not really sure why they're calling it "the successor the MP3". > AFAICT, it's a bit of metadata tacked onto an otherwise normal MP3, > not dissimilar to an ID3 tag. > > Last I looked, AAC was the successor to MP3 :) > > M. > - > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please > visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. > Unofficial list archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ > -- Brian Butterworth follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/briantist web: http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002
Re: [backstage] MusicDNA and ItunesLP
On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 13:01, Ian Forrester wrote: > http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2010/01/is-the-world-ready-for-the-successor-of-the-mp3/ > > This is meant to make music piricay less tempting, so they say. Yes, cut off your remaining source of revenue for people who don't buy the stuff by making it harder for them to get up-to-date gig listings and such. > I just can't understand why someone hasn't made a decent XML format to > describe related items to a local or even remote tune/media. Yes I've looked > at itunesLP and came away feeling a bit dirty > (http://ituneslp.net/tutorials/). iTunes LP is really just a variant of iTunes Extras, whose aim was to bring DVD-like content to iTunes movies - LP was a convenient re-purposing of it... The answer is probably 'what's the point?' -- the number of people who need to support it in order for it to be in any way successful is staggering, which is what's likely to kill MusicDNA. I'm not really sure why they're calling it "the successor the MP3". AFAICT, it's a bit of metadata tacked onto an otherwise normal MP3, not dissimilar to an ID3 tag. Last I looked, AAC was the successor to MP3 :) M. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] MusicDNA and ItunesLP
http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2010/01/is-the-world-ready-for-the-successor-of-the-mp3/ This is meant to make music piricay less tempting, so they say. I just can't understand why someone hasn't made a decent XML format to describe related items to a local or even remote tune/media. Yes I've looked at itunesLP and came away feeling a bit dirty (http://ituneslp.net/tutorials/). Maybe I should Lazyweb this one? :) Cheers, Secret[] Private[] Public[x] Ian Forrester Senior Backstage Producer BBC R&D North Lab, 1st Floor Office, OB Base, New Broadcasting House, Oxford Road, Manchester, M60 1SJ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
