Re: [backstage] O2 wins Apple iPhone deal - at a hefty price

[Gordon Joly]

At 15:30 +0100 17/9/07, Adam Lindsay wrote:

Ian Forrester wrote:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2007/sep/17/mobilephones.apple


(I'm quite curious about the "as much as 40% of any revenues" quote 
in the article: everywhere else has reported a consensus of 10%.)


In the light of the amount of "unlocking" or hacking going on. 
Don't you think the rest were actually quite lucky to have not got 
into this deal with Apple?


Well, I would also consider how mainstream mobile phone unlocking is
today, and how much of a deterrent it is to the mobile operators in 
seeking phone exclusives.



eBay.co.uk seems to have iPhone that will on most networks, except "3".

I would then also consider Apple's end-to-end system for delivering 
software updates, easily capable of invalidating any unlocks, as 
well as Apple's stated commitment to delivering new features for the 
iPhones over at least two years (thus making consumers want to 
update their phones). I don't know of another mobile phone maker as 
interested in managing already-sold devices.


Speaking more anecdotally, I know that O2 is likely to get my wife's 
custom with the iPhone, and I'm likely to follow, eventually.


adam


Yes, I can relate to that!

Gordo


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Re: [backstage] O2 wins Apple iPhone deal - at a hefty price

[Brian Butterworth]

On 17/09/2007, Andrew Bowden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
>  On 17/09/2007, Andrew Bowden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > (I'm quite curious about the "as much as 40% of any revenues"
> > > quote in the article: everywhere else has reported a
> > > consensus of 10%.)
> > > > In the light of the amount of "unlocking" or hacking going
> > > on. Don't you think the rest were actually quite lucky to
> > > have not got into this deal with Apple?
> > > Well, I would also consider how mainstream mobile phone
> > > unlocking is today, and how much of a deterrent it is to the
> > > mobile operators in seeking phone exclusives.
> > One of the interesting things (for me anyway) about the iPhone is about
> > how it completely re-writes the rules of voicemail.  So much so that it
> > needs the phone operator to change their systems in order to cope.
>
> I guess you've never used a "3" phone then?
>
> I'm afraid I'm very boring when it comes to phones.  Mine is used for
> texting and calls only and it's a battered little basic thing :)
>
> Of course doesn't mean the iPhone and 3's network will play game either!
>
>
>

I pressed "Send" before I was finished explaining.  All I meant to say was
that Apple's "revolutionary" email system is in fact exactly the same as the
one that launched with the "3" network.  Now, I'm not going to go on about
how much money the "3" company took from my bank account (basically they
debited by bank and then debited my phone account each month, doubling the
"debt" each time) and how I had to take the useless company to Otelo - oops

Basically, on a "3" phone you can access your email though their "intranet"
system, but as it sits in an email inbox you can forward the calls, which
are stored as MP3 files to another email address if you like.  Whilst this
is fiddly, it does work and has worked (unlike the billing system) since the
3 service launched on 3 March 
2003
.

Once again the "hype" of Apple is all PR and lacks any actual real basis in
truth.  But it is the Apple way to take someone else's technology and claim
it as your own, ever since the Lisa.

(The Apple Lisa, for anyone who cannot remember the device, was the
forerunner to the Macintosh and was a copy of the WIMP system developed at
the Xerox PARC, so this clone-and-claim goes back to 1983 at least).   19
January 
1983



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RE: [backstage] O2 wins Apple iPhone deal - at a hefty price

[Andrew Bowden]

 



On 17/09/2007, Andrew Bowden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 

> (I'm quite curious about the "as much as 40% of any
revenues"
> quote in the article: everywhere else has reported a 
> consensus of 10%.)
> > In the light of the amount of "unlocking" or hacking
going
> on. Don't you think the rest were actually quite lucky
to
> have not got into this deal with Apple? 
> Well, I would also consider how mainstream mobile
phone
> unlocking is today, and how much of a deterrent it is
to the
> mobile operators in seeking phone exclusives.
One of the interesting things (for me anyway) about the
iPhone is about 
how it completely re-writes the rules of voicemail.  So
much so that it
needs the phone operator to change their systems in
order to cope.

I guess you've never used a "3" phone then? 

I'm afraid I'm very boring when it comes to phones.  Mine is used for
texting and calls only and it's a battered little basic thing :)
 
Of course doesn't mean the iPhone and 3's network will play game either!
 
 

Re: [backstage] O2 wins Apple iPhone deal - at a hefty price

[Brian Butterworth]

On 17/09/2007, Andrew Bowden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > (I'm quite curious about the "as much as 40% of any revenues"
> > quote in the article: everywhere else has reported a
> > consensus of 10%.)
> > > In the light of the amount of "unlocking" or hacking going
> > on. Don't you think the rest were actually quite lucky to
> > have not got into this deal with Apple?
> > Well, I would also consider how mainstream mobile phone
> > unlocking is today, and how much of a deterrent it is to the
> > mobile operators in seeking phone exclusives.
>
> One of the interesting things (for me anyway) about the iPhone is about
> how it completely re-writes the rules of voicemail.  So much so that it
> needs the phone operator to change their systems in order to cope.


I guess you've never used a "3" phone then?


Unlocking in this case, would mean denying yourself part of the way the
> iPhone works.
>
>
> (I had a quick play on an iPhone - not a proper play.  But the voicemail
> basically becomes like an email client interface.  A big list of who
> called and then you select the right one to hear their message.  So much
> more sensible)
>
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RE: [backstage] O2 wins Apple iPhone deal - at a hefty price

[Andrew Bowden]

> (I'm quite curious about the "as much as 40% of any revenues" 
> quote in the article: everywhere else has reported a 
> consensus of 10%.)
> > In the light of the amount of "unlocking" or hacking going 
> on. Don't you think the rest were actually quite lucky to 
> have not got into this deal with Apple?
> Well, I would also consider how mainstream mobile phone 
> unlocking is today, and how much of a deterrent it is to the 
> mobile operators in seeking phone exclusives.

One of the interesting things (for me anyway) about the iPhone is about
how it completely re-writes the rules of voicemail.  So much so that it
needs the phone operator to change their systems in order to cope.

Unlocking in this case, would mean denying yourself part of the way the
iPhone works.
 

(I had a quick play on an iPhone - not a proper play.  But the voicemail
basically becomes like an email client interface.  A big list of who
called and then you select the right one to hear their message.  So much
more sensible)

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Re: [backstage] O2 wins Apple iPhone deal - at a hefty price

[Adam Lindsay]

Ian Forrester wrote:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2007/sep/17/mobilephones.apple


(I'm quite curious about the "as much as 40% of any revenues" quote in 
the article: everywhere else has reported a consensus of 10%.)



In the light of the amount of "unlocking" or hacking going on. Don't you think 
the rest were actually quite lucky to have not got into this deal with Apple?


Well, I would also consider how mainstream mobile phone unlocking is
today, and how much of a deterrent it is to the mobile operators in 
seeking phone exclusives.


I would then also consider Apple's end-to-end system for delivering 
software updates, easily capable of invalidating any unlocks, as well as 
Apple's stated commitment to delivering new features for the iPhones 
over at least two years (thus making consumers want to update their 
phones). I don't know of another mobile phone maker as interested in 
managing already-sold devices.


Speaking more anecdotally, I know that O2 is likely to get my wife's 
custom with the iPhone, and I'm likely to follow, eventually.


adam
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Re: [backstage] O2 wins Apple iPhone deal - at a hefty price

[Brian Butterworth]

I was under the impression that the law in the UK (and indeed the EU)
forbids phone companies from locking phones to networks for more than a
year, and if you are already an O2 customer and get one of these phones you
can demand it unlocked after your original 12 months are up.

On 17/09/2007, Nic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> "Ian Forrester" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2007/sep/17/mobilephones.apple
> >
> > In the light of the amount of "unlocking" or hacking going on. Don't
> > you think the rest were actually quite lucky to have not got into
> > this deal with Apple?
>
> They're nuts to pay that much. Apple are nuts to try to control it.
>
> http://openmoko.org forever.
>
>
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RE: [backstage] O2 wins Apple iPhone deal - at a hefty price

[Darren Stephens]

 "They're nuts to pay that much. Apple are nuts to try to control it."

Clearly not, seeing as both they've both done it: demand for the iPhone
is likely to be fairly strong and both think it may be proitable, at
least in the short to medium term. 
It may not work as a long term model, but nuts? No.

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> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 3:26 PM
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> 
> "Ian Forrester" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2007/sep/17/mobilephones.apple
> >
> > In the light of the amount of "unlocking" or hacking going 
> on. Don't 
> > you think the rest were actually quite lucky to have not 
> got into this 
> > deal with Apple?
> 
> They're nuts to pay that much. Apple are nuts to try to control it.
> 
> http://openmoko.org forever.
> 
> 
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Re: [backstage] O2 wins Apple iPhone deal - at a hefty price

[Nic]

"Ian Forrester" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2007/sep/17/mobilephones.apple
>
> In the light of the amount of "unlocking" or hacking going on. Don't
> you think the rest were actually quite lucky to have not got into
> this deal with Apple?

They're nuts to pay that much. Apple are nuts to try to control it.

http://openmoko.org forever.


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[backstage] O2 wins Apple iPhone deal - at a hefty price

[Ian Forrester]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2007/sep/17/mobilephones.apple

In the light of the amount of "unlocking" or hacking going on. Don't you think 
the rest were actually quite lucky to have not got into this deal with Apple?

Ian Forrester

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