clever - but i expect lawyers would be all over this like a rash

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Brian Butterworth
Sent: Mon 09/06/2008 6:22 PM
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[backstage] RE: [backstage] Re: Is it OK for BT Vision to charge £3 per month 
for the iPlayer?


How about this.  If you offered a service that provided the BBC channels with 
1/25th of a second delay, a BBC1+1/90000 then you could watch the channel 
without a TV license because the channel would not be 'live', which is the 
requirement for a TV Licence.

Yes, guesswork....


2008/6/9 Richard P Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:


        I'm sure that they will have.... it would be great to see a copy, 
perhaps it was overlooked that BT is more than just a UK centric business 
model. :-) 
        I must say that the peace here may be broken by the following phrase ...
        "She stressed that the BBC would not be making any money from the new 
arrangement."
        Classic choice of words ..... BBC now giving content away, or was 
"profit" the preferred noun? 
        Count me in for DVB-T via the net, and for Mac .... excellent news.

        RichE

        On 9 Jun 2008, at 18:10, Gavin Pearce wrote:


                
                Have BT / Virgin got a license from the BBC for it then?
                 
                - Gav

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RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] Re: Is it OK for BT Vision to charge £3 per 
month for the iPlayer?
                        
                        
                        Apart from BT doing it under licence?
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RE: [backstage] Re: Is it OK for BT Vision to charge £3 per month for the 
iPlayer?
                        The way I read it was ...
                        They are offering it as part of another service, so 
they're not charging for the BBC channels, you get those free, if you "buy" 
this other service.
                        I might be wrong??
                        Still plenty of loop-holes here to setup a free "BBC+1" 
if a user subscribes to your "members only website"    :-)
                        Im just guessing here though lol

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                                If BT can, why can't you or anyone else?
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                                From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL 
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                                Sent: 09 June 2008 15:31
                                To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
                                Subject: Re: [backstage] RE: [backstage] Re: Is 
it OK for BT Vision to charge £3 per month for the iPlayer?
                                It turns out it isn't the iPlayer but the 
"higher quality" DVB-T recording that BT offer as part of their package.  
Although as they have no claim to copyright over them, it a bit hard to 
understand how they can charge extra for them, for example I couldn't record 
BBC one off-air, make a +1 of it and then transmit it via satellite and charge 
a fee for it.
                                
                                Could I?
                                
                                Or could I?
                                2008/6/9 Darren Stephens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
                                I would suspect so, as they would likely claim 
that it is like any number of satellite channels bundled on sky, provided at 
zero cost, but only available as part of a package which includes other 
chargeable services.

                                

                                Marketing drones, don't you just love them...

                                

                                From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL 
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                                Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 1:09 PM
                                To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
                                Subject: [backstage] Re: Is it OK for BT Vision 
to charge £3 per month for the iPlayer?

                                

                                
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7439652.stm

                                2008/6/5 Brian Butterworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

                                According to 
http://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/3580-catch-up-tv-on-bt-vision-no-longer-free.html
                                
                                "BT Vision now has a TV Replay Pack that costs 
£3 per month and covers the ... BBC iPlayer service."
                                
                                Is it OK for BT to charge for access to the 
free iPlayer?
                                
                                ---
                                
                                Brian Butterworth
                                
                                http://www.ukfree.tv <http://www.ukfree.tv/>  - 
independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002


                                
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