Re: [backstage] Twitter, Ruby on Rails redux.
Scaffold is a tool to get you started in development quickly - it is analogous to a house: scaffold is what you put up to keep the house from falling down whilst you build it. There is a quote someplace where dhh defined why he came up with scaffolding, suffice to say it's just a crutch to get you started quickly. Most people happy with rails typically won't use it to get started, opting for a more definite class/model spec. -james On 22 Apr 2007, at 08:29, cisnky wrote: "Users putting scaffold into production deserve what they get!" Do elaborate. On 4/22/07, James Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: *sigh* Users putting scaffold into production deserve what they get. It's the same where you have 'eval' in any language: security is the job of the developer, every one. Oh and btw: Rails is a framework. TO BE CLEAR. DRUPAL, WIKIS, PHPBB ARE NOT. That you don't understand this distinction is telling. - - james On 21 Apr 2007, at 10:06, Gordon Joly wrote: Twitter, Ruby on Rails redux. Perhaps one more issue? Security. There is an accelerating trend to frameworks and other CMS systems for user generated content (wikis, Zope, Drupal, Ruby on Rails, etc). Applications with a database backend (e.g. phpBB) can be installed by Fantastico (cPanel) in seconds and Mediawiki also has a simple web interface for installation. I saw the light in 2004 when Jimbo visited the BBC and gave a public talk in London):- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jimbo_Wales/BBC_talk_slides Can I add "Wikipedia is not a place for cricket statistics" ? Each framework presents security issues. Mediawiki is now robust, and if you take care, bogus advertising links and other bad stuff can be avoided. Socialtext? Yup, that too. I found a very dirty set of pages, clogged with links to mortgages and various medications. It had not been spotted by the admins, and I was accused of generating the bad stuff in question myself, since nobody could see the links (they were hidden in the user generated tags). I also tried to clean up an installation of phpBB (bulletin board) recently but in the end gave up since there were more bogus users than bona fide users. Scaffold anyone? Gordo -- "Think Feynman"/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/ 2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http:// www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- James Cox, Internet Consultant t: 07968 349990 e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: http://www.imajes.info / -- James Cox, Internet Consultant t: 07968 349990 e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: http://www.imajes.info/
Re: [backstage] Twitter, Ruby on Rails redux.
At 01:55 +0100 22/4/07, James Cox wrote: *sigh* Users putting scaffold into production deserve what they get. It's the same where you have 'eval' in any language: security is the job of the developer, every one. Oh and btw: Rails is a framework. TO BE CLEAR. DRUPAL, WIKIS, PHPBB ARE NOT. That you don't understand this distinction is telling. - - james No need to shout, James. Gordo -- "Think Feynman"/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Twitter, Ruby on Rails redux.
"Users putting scaffold into production deserve what they get!" Do elaborate. On 4/22/07, James Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: *sigh* Users putting scaffold into production deserve what they get. It's the same where you have 'eval' in any language: security is the job of the developer, every one. Oh and btw: Rails is a framework. TO BE CLEAR. DRUPAL, WIKIS, PHPBB ARE NOT. That you don't understand this distinction is telling. - - james On 21 Apr 2007, at 10:06, Gordon Joly wrote: Twitter, Ruby on Rails redux. Perhaps one more issue? Security. There is an accelerating trend to frameworks and other CMS systems for user generated content (wikis, Zope, Drupal, Ruby on Rails, etc). Applications with a database backend (e.g. phpBB) can be installed by Fantastico (cPanel) in seconds and Mediawiki also has a simple web interface for installation. I saw the light in 2004 when Jimbo visited the BBC and gave a public talk in London):- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jimbo_Wales/BBC_talk_slides Can I add "Wikipedia is not a place for cricket statistics" ? Each framework presents security issues. Mediawiki is now robust, and if you take care, bogus advertising links and other bad stuff can be avoided. Socialtext? Yup, that too. I found a very dirty set of pages, clogged with links to mortgages and various medications. It had not been spotted by the admins, and I was accused of generating the bad stuff in question myself, since nobody could see the links (they were hidden in the user generated tags). I also tried to clean up an installation of phpBB (bulletin board) recently but in the end gave up since there were more bogus users than bona fide users. Scaffold anyone? Gordo -- "Think Feynman"/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- *James Cox, *Internet Consultant t: 07968 349990 e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: http://www.imajes.info/
Re: [backstage] Twitter, Ruby on Rails redux.
*sigh* Users putting scaffold into production deserve what they get. It's the same where you have 'eval' in any language: security is the job of the developer, every one. Oh and btw: Rails is a framework. TO BE CLEAR. DRUPAL, WIKIS, PHPBB ARE NOT. That you don't understand this distinction is telling. - - james On 21 Apr 2007, at 10:06, Gordon Joly wrote: Twitter, Ruby on Rails redux. Perhaps one more issue? Security. There is an accelerating trend to frameworks and other CMS systems for user generated content (wikis, Zope, Drupal, Ruby on Rails, etc). Applications with a database backend (e.g. phpBB) can be installed by Fantastico (cPanel) in seconds and Mediawiki also has a simple web interface for installation. I saw the light in 2004 when Jimbo visited the BBC and gave a public talk in London):- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jimbo_Wales/BBC_talk_slides Can I add "Wikipedia is not a place for cricket statistics" ? Each framework presents security issues. Mediawiki is now robust, and if you take care, bogus advertising links and other bad stuff can be avoided. Socialtext? Yup, that too. I found a very dirty set of pages, clogged with links to mortgages and various medications. It had not been spotted by the admins, and I was accused of generating the bad stuff in question myself, since nobody could see the links (they were hidden in the user generated tags). I also tried to clean up an installation of phpBB (bulletin board) recently but in the end gave up since there were more bogus users than bona fide users. Scaffold anyone? Gordo -- "Think Feynman"/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/ mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail- archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- James Cox, Internet Consultant t: 07968 349990 e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: http://www.imajes.info/
[backstage] Twitter, Ruby on Rails redux.
Twitter, Ruby on Rails redux. Perhaps one more issue? Security. There is an accelerating trend to frameworks and other CMS systems for user generated content (wikis, Zope, Drupal, Ruby on Rails, etc). Applications with a database backend (e.g. phpBB) can be installed by Fantastico (cPanel) in seconds and Mediawiki also has a simple web interface for installation. I saw the light in 2004 when Jimbo visited the BBC and gave a public talk in London):- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jimbo_Wales/BBC_talk_slides Can I add "Wikipedia is not a place for cricket statistics" ? Each framework presents security issues. Mediawiki is now robust, and if you take care, bogus advertising links and other bad stuff can be avoided. Socialtext? Yup, that too. I found a very dirty set of pages, clogged with links to mortgages and various medications. It had not been spotted by the admins, and I was accused of generating the bad stuff in question myself, since nobody could see the links (they were hidden in the user generated tags). I also tried to clean up an installation of phpBB (bulletin board) recently but in the end gave up since there were more bogus users than bona fide users. Scaffold anyone? Gordo -- "Think Feynman"/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
