RE: [backstage] data streaming into video
Um, We've taught SMIL in previous years and are moving a way from it for several reasons. While the language itself is actually quite nice at the abstract level, but tool support is most charitably described as patchy, more accurately as awful. The major problem we ran into was that of negotiating the minefield of file formats and media types, as well as dealing with proprietary extensions (realText anyone?) that didn't port well. What worked on RealPlayer would reguarly barf on QuickTime and vice versa. Of course, some of this was because we were doing the work offline and not in a full streaming environment (lots of reasons, mostly configuration and cost), where some of the file problems were less vexing. I still think it's a shame because it is quite a nice language and it's still useful because it is, as far as I'm still aware, still the major basis for MMS. === Darren Stephens MBCS CITP School of Arts and New Media University of Hull Scarborough Campus www : http://www.hull.ac.uk/ email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] tel : +44 1723 357360 === -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dogsbody Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 6:09 PM To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] data streaming into video what do you think? i'm not much up on these things apart from what i read here, so if it's already done/unworkable/crazy/annoying then apologies! Check out SMIL a fantastically underused mark up language that allows you to create layers of video/images/text. And supported by most of the standard media players. Just my 0.02 GBP Dan - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ * To view the terms under which this email is distributed, please go to http://www.hull.ac.uk/legal/email_disclaimer.html *
[backstage] data streaming into video
Hello Backstage, thinking about how wonderfully modular our web/information has become (eg google home page, blogger web site creation, mambo/opensource CMS web pages), is it conceivable video content goes likewise? i'm picturing a corporate or training video i make for someone. the core content is timeless* so i'd love whoever's watching it to be also getting a bloomberg style modular/ticker approach fed with up-to-date data while they're watching it. eg latest company news from XYZ inc tickering along the bottom and live market data spewing down the right column while the why invest in XYZ core content is churning along. Even if timeless is a six week shelf life, this would be impressive during an investor roadshow with no extra work required. of course that effect is easily done on a webpage/screensaver/dog toy right now... but a video player which is more like a browser, with a Video ML language relating to module positions and data source, whether its video or 15-min-delayed FTSE data... it assumes that every web or disc media player will be connected to the web. what do you think? i'm not much up on these things apart from what i read here, so if it's already done/unworkable/crazy/annoying then apologies! best James * although in ten years everyone's gonna be laughing at our waxed eyebrows and black suits... leggings and perms will be back by then i tell you - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] data streaming into video
James, Interesting... Surely the point of Aston type graphics (in vision, non-interactive) is that they are for passive viewing, as a mouse+menu is 1% better if you are online (rather than selecting from one-to-many broadcast streams)? On 09/07/07, James Ockenden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Backstage, thinking about how wonderfully modular our web/information has become (eg google home page, blogger web site creation, mambo/opensource CMS web pages), is it conceivable video content goes likewise? i'm picturing a corporate or training video i make for someone. the core content is timeless* so i'd love whoever's watching it to be also getting a bloomberg style modular/ticker approach fed with up-to-date data while they're watching it. eg latest company news from XYZ inc tickering along the bottom and live market data spewing down the right column while the why invest in XYZ core content is churning along. Even if timeless is a six week shelf life, this would be impressive during an investor roadshow with no extra work required. of course that effect is easily done on a webpage/screensaver/dog toy right now... but a video player which is more like a browser, with a Video ML language relating to module positions and data source, whether its video or 15-min-delayed FTSE data... it assumes that every web or disc media player will be connected to the web. what do you think? i'm not much up on these things apart from what i read here, so if it's already done/unworkable/crazy/annoying then apologies! best James * although in ten years everyone's gonna be laughing at our waxed eyebrows and black suits... leggings and perms will be back by then i tell you - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Please email me back if you need any more help. Brian Butterworth www.ukfree.tv
Re: [backstage] data streaming into video
oh yes, web can do it better... i'm talking about a format which could be read by a wi-fi/internet enabled VCD/DVD player for example...the core content and the feed instructions are all on the video file assuming files and discs aren't redundant by then anyway. researching Aston graphics now cheers! On 09/07/07, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: James, Interesting... Surely the point of Aston type graphics (in vision, non-interactive) is that they are for passive viewing, as a mouse+menu is 1% better if you are online (rather than selecting from one-to-many broadcast streams)? On 09/07/07, James Ockenden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Backstage, thinking about how wonderfully modular our web/information has become (eg google home page, blogger web site creation, mambo/opensource CMS web pages), is it conceivable video content goes likewise? i'm picturing a corporate or training video i make for someone. the core content is timeless* so i'd love whoever's watching it to be also getting a bloomberg style modular/ticker approach fed with up-to-date data while they're watching it. eg latest company news from XYZ inc tickering along the bottom and live market data spewing down the right column while the why invest in XYZ core content is churning along. Even if timeless is a six week shelf life, this would be impressive during an investor roadshow with no extra work required. of course that effect is easily done on a webpage/screensaver/dog toy right now... but a video player which is more like a browser, with a Video ML language relating to module positions and data source, whether its video or 15-min-delayed FTSE data... it assumes that every web or disc media player will be connected to the web. what do you think? i'm not much up on these things apart from what i read here, so if it's already done/unworkable/crazy/annoying then apologies! best James * although in ten years everyone's gonna be laughing at our waxed eyebrows and black suits... leggings and perms will be back by then i tell you - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html . Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Please email me back if you need any more help. Brian Butterworth www.ukfree.tv - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] data streaming into video
But if it's internet enabled, there is no need for clunky interactive TV features (because it's video loops plus a carousel). I would really like BBC News 24 on Freeview/cable to carry regional news headlines in-vision using the technique you suggest (it can't be done on satellite, no regional feeds) though... On 09/07/07, James Ockenden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: oh yes, web can do it better... i'm talking about a format which could be read by a wi-fi/internet enabled VCD/DVD player for example...the core content and the feed instructions are all on the video file assuming files and discs aren't redundant by then anyway. researching Aston graphics now cheers! On 09/07/07, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: James, Interesting... Surely the point of Aston type graphics (in vision, non-interactive) is that they are for passive viewing, as a mouse+menu is 1% better if you are online (rather than selecting from one-to-many broadcast streams)? On 09/07/07, James Ockenden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Backstage, thinking about how wonderfully modular our web/information has become (eg google home page, blogger web site creation, mambo/opensource CMS web pages), is it conceivable video content goes likewise? i'm picturing a corporate or training video i make for someone. the core content is timeless* so i'd love whoever's watching it to be also getting a bloomberg style modular/ticker approach fed with up-to-date data while they're watching it. eg latest company news from XYZ inc tickering along the bottom and live market data spewing down the right column while the why invest in XYZ core content is churning along. Even if timeless is a six week shelf life, this would be impressive during an investor roadshow with no extra work required. of course that effect is easily done on a webpage/screensaver/dog toy right now... but a video player which is more like a browser, with a Video ML language relating to module positions and data source, whether its video or 15-min-delayed FTSE data... it assumes that every web or disc media player will be connected to the web. what do you think? i'm not much up on these things apart from what i read here, so if it's already done/unworkable/crazy/annoying then apologies! best James * although in ten years everyone's gonna be laughing at our waxed eyebrows and black suits... leggings and perms will be back by then i tell you - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html . Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Please email me back if you need any more help. Brian Butterworth www.ukfree.tv - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Please email me back if you need any more help. Brian Butterworth www.ukfree.tv
