Re: [backstage] full posts in BBC rss feeds?
On Thursday 17 April 2008 05:09:20 Brian Butterworth wrote: ADML (Attention Deficit Mark-up Language) is an XML-based format for capturing a person's madness and insomnia. +1 Michael. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] full posts in BBC rss feeds?
This might have been asked before, but... ...can the BBC please start using full-post RSS feeds? This seems to be the default now on bbc blogs, but not for the news site or a few others. Even just the first paragraph would be an improvement! Oh and http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/data/Data is well out of date? BBC Cult closed ages ago... Frankie - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] full posts in BBC rss feeds?
Hi Frankie, Data is in a need of refresh, agreed. Reason why BBC news don't do full text feeds is because of rights involving the content. Thats the simple answer, but I'm happy to discuss in more detail if you like? frankie roberto wrote: This might have been asked before, but... ...can the BBC please start using full-post RSS feeds? This seems to be the default now on bbc blogs, but not for the news site or a few others. Even just the first paragraph would be an improvement! Oh and http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/data/Data is well out of date? BBC Cult closed ages ago... Frankie - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] full posts in BBC rss feeds?
Just spoke to the chap who looks after the blogs platform for Journalism, he's planning on releasing the functionality for full RSS feeds by the end of the year. I guess it will then be switched on on a blog by blog basis. Paul BBC Staff. 2008/4/16 Mr I Forrester [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi Frankie, Data is in a need of refresh, agreed. Reason why BBC news don't do full text feeds is because of rights involving the content. Thats the simple answer, but I'm happy to discuss in more detail if you like? frankie roberto wrote: This might have been asked before, but... ...can the BBC please start using full-post RSS feeds? This seems to be the default now on bbc blogs, but not for the news site or a few others. Even just the first paragraph would be an improvement! Oh and http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/data/Data is well out of date? BBC Cult closed ages ago... Frankie - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] full posts in BBC rss feeds?
On Wed, Apr 16, 2008, Brian Butterworth wrote: There are two problems with this, as I recall: 1. People don't visit the originating site; and That's a political problem presumably (needing to have high pageview stats)? Why not just add in your feed stats as another important metric to measure? There's no advertising on the BBC news site after all (in the UK at least). 2. It puts a huge load on the feed servers. I can't see how adding the first paragraph (or two) would be much of a server burden. Especially as so many people use hosted sites like Google Reader and Bloglines now (which only have to poll once for all their readers). You could always set the time-to-live higher or try and throttle the connections. My main problem is that, as it stands, the first sentence, or whatever it is that goes into the RSS feed, isn't enough to make up my mind on whether I want to click through or not, rendering the whole feed a bit pointless. Frankie Roberto - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] full posts in BBC rss feeds?
There are two problems with this, as I recall: 1. People don't visit the originating site; and 2. It puts a huge load on the feed servers. On 16/04/2008, frankie roberto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This might have been asked before, but... ...can the BBC please start using full-post RSS feeds? This seems to be the default now on bbc blogs, but not for the news site or a few others. Even just the first paragraph would be an improvement! Oh and http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/data/Data is well out of date? BBC Cult closed ages ago... Frankie - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Please email me back if you need any more help. Brian Butterworth http://www.ukfree.tv
Re: [backstage] full posts in BBC rss feeds?
On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 3:10 PM, frankie roberto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Apr 16, 2008, Brian Butterworth wrote: There are two problems with this, as I recall: 1. People don't visit the originating site; and That's a political problem presumably (needing to have high pageview stats)? Why not just add in your feed stats as another important metric to measure? There's no advertising on the BBC news site after all (in the UK at least). 2. It puts a huge load on the feed servers. I can't see how adding the first paragraph (or two) would be much of a server burden. Especially as so many people use hosted sites like Google Reader and Bloglines now (which only have to poll once for all their readers). You could always set the time-to-live higher or try and throttle the connections. I wonder if people using RSS, instead of making useless page-views actually saves on bandwidth? :-) My main problem is that, as it stands, the first sentence, or whatever it is that goes into the RSS feed, isn't enough to make up my mind on whether I want to click through or not, rendering the whole feed a bit pointless. You should be able to tell what the article is about and whether you want to read it from the first paragraph. This is similar to traditional media where the first paragraph usually has typographic emphasis. This enables you to quickly judge the article and decide whether its worth reading it or not. And when I want to read the article, my preference is to go to the site. I might be missing out on something otherwise.. :-) I'm a heavy user of RSS but prefer feeds which only have a short first paragraph included. If I want to read more I will click, If I don't I wont. However I wouldn't want to download the whole of the article when all I wish to know is in the first 4 sentences. It just means I have to scroll more before reaching the next article. This all comes down to personal preference really. -- Owen Griffin
Re: [backstage] full posts in BBC rss feeds?
All we need then is some software to read what comes in and decide if it's worthy of your attention... that'll be an Agent. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/APML APML (Attention Profiling Mark-up Language) is an XML-based format for capturing a person's interests and dislikes. Paul. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] full posts in BBC rss feeds?
On 16/04/2008, Paul Doyle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All we need then is some software to read what comes in and decide if it's worthy of your attention... that'll be an Agent. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/APML APML (Attention Profiling Mark-up Language) is an XML-based format for capturing a person's interests and dislikes. I can only presume that we will have: ADML (Attention Deficit Mark-up Language) is an XML-based format for capturing a person's madness and insomnia. Paul. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Please email me back if you need any more help. Brian Butterworth http://www.ukfree.tv
