Re: [backstage] BBC News font size issue
vijay chopra wrote: Are you sure you haven't got the font size turned up in Opera? Yes; and I checked with another Opera user; and I diagnosed the cause. So yes, I'm sure :) ATB, Matthew I know that I've had to turn it up/down in both IE and firefox before having accidentally put it up for one reason or another. I can't remember how it's done in Opera (and being at work I can't check) but it's ctrl + or ctrl - in firefox Vijay. On 11/03/2008, *Matthew Somerville* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know who would be the right person to contact about the fact that some BBC News pages now (as in, it only started very recently) appear quite different in Opera 9 to Firefox and IE? It's only the body text font size on pages with a div class=storybody, which makes me think it's probably not deliberate. :-) For example, this one is currently the same in all here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7282385.stm But this one http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7288820.stm looks like this: Firefox/IE : http://bbc.dracos.co.uk/bbc-font-ff.png Opera 9: http://bbc.dracos.co.uk/bbc-font-opera.png My default font size is the same in all browsers. It appears that in Quirks Mode, Opera displays font-size:small etc. differently to in Standards mode: http://bbc.dracos.co.uk/test-standard.html http://bbc.dracos.co.uk/test-quirk.html As http://www.opera.com/docs/specs/doctype/ says: CSS font sizes are increased by one in quirks mode compared to Standards mode: In Internet Explorer/Windows (except IE6 in standards compliant mode) font-size: small is interpreted as the initial font size. Opera in Quirks Mode emulates this behavior, but uses font-size: medium in Standards Mode. This means that the absolute font size keywords are one size larger in Quirks Mode. ATB, Matthew | http://www.dracos.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC News font size issue
Are you sure you haven't got the font size turned up in Opera? I know that I've had to turn it up/down in both IE and firefox before having accidentally put it up for one reason or another. I can't remember how it's done in Opera (and being at work I can't check) but it's ctrl + or ctrl - in firefox Vijay. On 11/03/2008, Matthew Somerville [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know who would be the right person to contact about the fact that some BBC News pages now (as in, it only started very recently) appear quite different in Opera 9 to Firefox and IE? It's only the body text font size on pages with a div class=storybody, which makes me think it's probably not deliberate. :-) For example, this one is currently the same in all here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7282385.stm But this one http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7288820.stm looks like this: Firefox/IE : http://bbc.dracos.co.uk/bbc-font-ff.png Opera 9: http://bbc.dracos.co.uk/bbc-font-opera.png My default font size is the same in all browsers. It appears that in Quirks Mode, Opera displays font-size:small etc. differently to in Standards mode: http://bbc.dracos.co.uk/test-standard.html http://bbc.dracos.co.uk/test-quirk.html As http://www.opera.com/docs/specs/doctype/ says: CSS font sizes are increased by one in quirks mode compared to Standards mode: In Internet Explorer/Windows (except IE6 in standards compliant mode) font-size: small is interpreted as the initial font size. Opera in Quirks Mode emulates this behavior, but uses font-size: medium in Standards Mode. This means that the absolute font size keywords are one size larger in Quirks Mode. ATB, Matthew | http://www.dracos.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] BBC News font size issue
On 11/03/2008, *Matthew Somerville* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know who would be the right person to contact about the fact that some BBC News pages now (as in, it only started very recently) appear quite different in Opera 9 to Firefox and IE? It's only the body text font size on pages with a div class=storybody, which makes me think it's probably not deliberate. :-) we have, recently and deliberately, removed a font tag from the story body, but Opera shouldn't go into quirks mode - I think that's because we're declaring doctype as !doctype html public -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/loose.dtd; where it should be !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/loose.dtd; although I should probably check with someone who knows what they're talking about first... K. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC News font size issue
Kevin Hinde wrote: we have, recently and deliberately, removed a font tag from the story body, but Opera shouldn't go into quirks mode - I think that's because we're declaring doctype as [snip case change] although I should probably check with someone who knows what they're talking about first... The DOCTYPE is case-insensitive, it's not that. Changing the 4.0 to 4.01 however, puts both Firefox and Opera into Standards mode, changing nothing else on the page. Do note that Firefox is also currently in Quirks mode viewing BBC News pages, and was before this change - you can see this in the Page Info box: Render Mode: Quirks mode. It's just the change of font-size from 13px to small has shown this up in Opera. Changing the DOCTYPE may, of course, cause other changes to the rendering of the page :-) ATB, Matthew - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
