Re: [backstage] Please release Perl on Rails as Free Software
Noah Slater wrote: On 06/12/2007, Andy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In fact isn't the bulk of this thread concerned with the way in which Perl On Rails will be non proprietary. Not really, proprietry is the wrong word to use here. The word free is much more descriptive. It is perfectly possible to have free proprietary software. To eliminate confusion, I propose that we in future refer to the FSF definition of free as GNU/Free. I thank you. S - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Please release Perl on Rails as Free Software
Steve Jolly wrote: To eliminate confusion, I propose that we in future refer to the FSF definition of free as GNU/Free. I thank you. Or you could say 'free software, as defined by the Free Software Foundation', which is more accurate and doesn't fall into the logical trap of everything having a GNU prefix which some people may fall into. matt signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [backstage] Please release Perl on Rails as Free Software
At 18:25 +0200 6/12/07, Martin Belam wrote: The difference is that the BBC could drop the probability to zero by not requiring the use of proprietary software... Or by closing the list if it was deemed to be an unhelpful echo chamber that wasn't beneficial to the BBC for the amount of money spent on the backstage.bbc.co.uk project m Yes, history repeating. The BBC closed down live public chatrooms too. I was in the Robert Elms Chatroom, sorely missed by many. Chat, but not too much? Interact? Yes, please. But not too much... Gordo -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Please release Perl on Rails as Free Software
On 07/12/2007, Steve Jolly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matt Lee wrote: Steve Jolly wrote: To eliminate confusion, I propose that we in future refer to the FSF definition of free as GNU/Free. I thank you. Or you could say 'free software, as defined by the Free Software Foundation', which is more accurate and doesn't fall into the logical trap of everything having a GNU prefix which some people may fall into. You could, but it has the two disadvantages of being longer to type, and not being a joke. :-) Oh I don't know.. -- Peter Bowyer Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Please release Perl on Rails as Free Software
Stone free The Jimi Hendrix version. Smoke free All flights. fre The Tivo version. It seems the romance languages avoid the pitfall by sensibly having two words for the two ideas, just like for penguins. So I'm on a one-man campaign to import 'libre' into English. Sean - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Please release Perl on Rails as Free Software
Matt Lee wrote: Steve Jolly wrote: To eliminate confusion, I propose that we in future refer to the FSF definition of free as GNU/Free. I thank you. Or you could say 'free software, as defined by the Free Software Foundation', which is more accurate and doesn't fall into the logical trap of everything having a GNU prefix which some people may fall into. You could, but it has the two disadvantages of being longer to type, and not being a joke. :-) S - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] The next big thing in ipTV
Matthew Cashmore wrote: I'm at a conference in LA at the moment about Next Gen technologies and we've just been shown this as the 'Next Big Thing in TV' - I'd be really interested in everyone's thoughts http://pages.tvunetworks.com/index.html Please correct me if I'm mistaken, but ... is this intended solely for streaming live TV? No catch-ups, or watching old stuff, or recording for later? No sharing clips? No skipping commercials? If so, then it seems like a reversion to me, made by people with a pre-YouTube, pre-PVR mindset. It reminds me of a bonkers web site I saw in 1995-ish, which *must* have been created by clue-deprived TV executives; it had scheduled content on the same web pages (News: 10-11; Sport: 11-12, Entertainment: 12-1, etc.). Here's the old camel for doing things, nailed onto the back of the new horse. It was a stunning success, where by 'success' I mean 'failure', and by 'stunning' I mean 'blitheringly obvious'. Likewise, I think TVUnetworks is solving the wrong problem, too. Apart from things where the liveness is essential (news, sport, Big Brother (either kind)), I don't see the benefit to the viewer. I also don't see their business model -- what are they enabling, that people will pay for, that isn't already doable? Is it just lower-cost live streaming for broadcasters, dressed up as a new consumer platform? I think people are now getting used to ignoring schedules (which are only a hack to get around radio spectrum capacity limits anyway), and are deciding what they want to watch, when, rather than organizing their activities around a TV schedule. Or worse, zillions of schedules. Let's all watch TV like it's 1994! On the Internet!! In Korean!!! -- Frank Wales [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] The next big thing in ipTV
Matthew Cashmore wrote: I'm at a conference in LA at the moment about Next Gen technologies and we've just been shown this as the 'Next Big Thing in TV' - I'd be really interested in everyone's thoughts http://pages.tvunetworks.com/index.html I'd love to have some, but since it appears to be Windows only I'm limited in the conclusions I can draw beyond that I can't immediately see anything exciting enough listed to make me install Windows in a VM. S - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] The next big thing in ipTV
TVU's alright, it's probably one of the more user-friendly IPTV solutions. I've used this kind of IPTV streaming on occasion in the past few years to get feeds of F1 races (to watch the F1 whilst I was at uni where I didn't have a TV or even TV signal (!)) or to watch american networks like the US Comedy Central, or the US Discovery Channel.. I don't use it every day though, whilst some people do. TVants is still my personal favourite because it's based around the bittorrent protocol of data distribution but has a really technical, geek-friendly interface, but TVU seems to work quite well. There's loads of other apps available, like Sopcast, PPMate, UUSEE, most of which use the same kind of system, but they're either in cryptic Japanese/Chinese languages, not translated at all, or are really buggy or show loads of popups. TVU's integrated interface is really quite nice, with the chat window alongside the video feed, and the channel guide with the bookmarking facility... It's a little chunky at the moment in terms of design, and could be improved, but the core functionality's there. TechCrunch discussed many of these options back in July; http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/13/live-p2p-television-streaming-now - though I wish Zattoo would open its doors to people in the UK outside of the people in their private trials! Every time I've tried to register it just says sorry, not available in your country yet - even if I try a Swiss proxy. Though, saying that, I went onto the site just now and it invited me to put my name down to register for an invite... So who knows. I find it ironic that they're streaming a good chunk of the BBC FTA bouquet, yet we can't even download the client for that. (They have different channel packages for different countries; I remember them offering BBC World for overseas viewers IIRC.) Maybe someone at the BBC could give them a poke and ask them to hurry up with their UK offering ;)
Re: [backstage] The next big thing in ipTV
On 07/12/2007, Matthew Cashmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://pages.tvunetworks.com/index.html P2P video streaming is very cool. Windows Media Player based products are very proprietary. Avoid :-) -- Regards, Dave Personal opinion only! - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] The next big thing in ipTV
I'm at a conference in LA at the moment about Next Gen technologies and we've just been shown this as the 'Next Big Thing in TV' - I'd be really interested in everyone's thoughts http://pages.tvunetworks.com/index.html m ___ Matthew Cashmore Development Producer BBC Future Media Technology, Research and Innovation BC5C3, Broadcast Centre, Media Village, W12 7TS T:020 8008 3959(02 83959) M:07711 913241(072 83959)
