RE: [backstage-developer] BBC or other picture feeds?

[Kevin Hinde]

>kevin,
>
>thanks for that, a huge improvement from no images in feeds, 
>is there any prospect of better and larger images in the near future?
>
>when compared with yahoo, flickr, ebay etc these thumbnails 
>are very small and in the cases I reviewed close to meaningless...
>what is this:
>http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44872000/jpg/_44872330_ba
>66bbc.jpg
>without a text description it would be hard rather than 
>impossible to guess.

Yes, I agree with you completely - we should have image captions and larger 
images - let me see who I can 'influence'

K.


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Re: [backstage-developer] BBC or other picture feeds?

[~:'' ありがとうございました 。]

Andrew,

some very obvious cases where images appear in isolation include apple  
iTunes, google images,  slide-show screen-savers, etc...
common visual search applications include flash-cards, collages, flick- 
books etc


however there is a requirement that the images communicate something  
to the user, cf album covers

and this does require a minimum quality, in both size and content
if there are no BBC examples in the wild, this is likely to be the  
reason.


I draw your attention again to:
http://www.openicon.org/feeds/zanadu.svg
which includes  chairs on sale at ebay, yahoo news, flickr pets,  
youtube films, a horrible hack for the bbc weather icons, and much  
more...


but not the BBC, because the image quality is around 1/4 of the yahoo  
images which are already poor.

flickr provides the highest quality images in feeds that I am aware of.

regards


Jonathan Chetwynd

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On 7 Nov 2008, at 11:51, Andrew Bowden wrote:




when compared with yahoo, flickr, ebay etc these thumbnails are very  
small and in the cases I reviewed close to meaningless...

what is this:
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44872000/jpg/_44872330_ba66bbc.jpg
without a text description it would be hard rather than impossible  
to guess.
Dead easy.  It's some aeroplane tailfins - British Airways tailfins  
to be exact :o)


In isolation its true you might not get them so easily but do the  
pictures often appear in isolation?  Dunno.  Someone tell me :)

Re: [backstage-developer] BBC or other picture feeds?

[Brian Butterworth]

Surely you can look on the "source" page and find the ALT text?

2008/11/7 Andrew Bowden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

>
>
>  when compared with yahoo, flickr, ebay etc these thumbnails are very
> small and in the cases I reviewed close to meaningless...
> what is this:
> http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44872000/jpg/_44872330_ba66bbc.jpg
> without a text description it would be hard rather than impossible to
> guess.
>
> Dead easy.  It's some aeroplane tailfins - British Airways tailfins to be
> exact :o)
>
> In isolation its true you might not get them so easily but do the pictures
> often appear in isolation?  Dunno.  Someone tell me :)
>



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RE: [backstage-developer] BBC or other picture feeds?

[Andrew Bowden]

 



when compared with yahoo, flickr, ebay etc these thumbnails are
very small and in the cases I reviewed close to meaningless...
what is this:

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44872000/jpg/_44872330_ba66bbc.jpg
without a text description it would be hard rather than
impossible to guess.

Dead easy.  It's some aeroplane tailfins - British Airways tailfins to
be exact :o)
 
In isolation its true you might not get them so easily but do the
pictures often appear in isolation?  Dunno.  Someone tell me :)

Re: [backstage-developer] BBC or other picture feeds?

[~:'' ありがとうございました 。]

kevin,

thanks for that, a huge improvement from no images in feeds,
is there any prospect of better and larger images in the near future?

when compared with yahoo, flickr, ebay etc these thumbnails are very  
small and in the cases I reviewed close to meaningless...

what is this:
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44872000/jpg/_44872330_ba66bbc.jpg
without a text description it would be hard rather than impossible to  
guess.


the yahoo news images in their feed:
http://rss.news.yahoo.com/rss/topstories
are around 130 x 100

about 4 times the quality, this is significant as for the user with  
'average' sight this makes a considerable difference, for others


It would be hard to justify a switch to bbc content on the basis of  
the current thumbnails, as the quality is clearly deficient.


my rationale is that, in fact people are at least as able to select on  
the basis of 'good' images, as text.
reviewing chairs at ebay this is apparent, for other topics it does  
remain to be shown, but cbbc amongst others make very good cases.
furthermore for people with low literacy, or learning disabilities the  
case is evident.


cheers


Jonathan Chetwynd

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+44 (0) 20 7978 1764


On 7 Nov 2008, at 11:15, Kevin Hinde wrote:


The BBC News and Sport RSS feeds link to the 66x49 thumbnail for each
story.


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Subject: [backstage-developer] BBC or other picture feeds?

BBC or other picture feeds?

does the BBC provide any feeds with picture links?
how about other great feeds with pictures?

cheers

my logo 

Jonathan Chetwynd

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I use a few non-bbc ones here:
http://www.openicon.org/feeds/zanadu.svg

which includes a horrible hack for the bbc weather icons,
chairs on sale at ebay, yahoo news, flickr pets, youtube films
and much more...
our man from Reuters was sure they had one, but confirmed that
they don't...



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RE: [backstage-developer] BBC or other picture feeds?

[Kevin Hinde]

The BBC News and Sport RSS feeds link to the 66x49 thumbnail for each
story. 

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>
>BBC or other picture feeds?
>
>does the BBC provide any feeds with picture links?
>how about other great feeds with pictures?
>
>cheers
>
>my logo  
>
>Jonathan Chetwynd
>
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>http://www.openicon.org/
>
>+44 (0) 20 7978 1764
>
>
>
>I use a few non-bbc ones here:
>http://www.openicon.org/feeds/zanadu.svg
>
>which includes a horrible hack for the bbc weather icons, 
>chairs on sale at ebay, yahoo news, flickr pets, youtube films 
>and much more...
>our man from Reuters was sure they had one, but confirmed that 
>they don't...
>

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Re: [backstage-developer] BBC or other picture feeds?

[Brian Butterworth]

Jonathan,
No the images don't change (they are linked to the PID), but there are
hundreds of new PIDs everyday.

I guess it could be remixed into a nice 'BBC iPlayer pictures feed'.. I
would knock one up, but I'm a bit busy today...

2008/11/7 "~:'' ありがとうございました。" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> Brian,does the image you mention change from time to time?
> the ones I mention, do...
> did you read my ps which contains quite  a few...?
>
> I use a few non-bbc ones here:
> http://www.openicon.org/feeds/zanadu.svg
>
> which includes a horrible hack for the bbc weather icons, chairs on sale at
> ebay, yahoo news, flickr pets, youtube films and much more...
> our man from Reuters was sure they had one, but confirmed that they
> don't...
>
> does the image you mention change from time to time?
>   
>
> Jonathan Chetwynd
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://www.openicon.org/
>
> +44 (0) 20 7978 1764
>
> On 7 Nov 2008, at 06:46, Brian Butterworth wrote:
>
> Jonathan,
> The only 'feed' as such is the one for the iPlayer.  If you have a
> programme's PID from the RSS feeds, you can get an image for it from:
>
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/images/episode/PID_303_170.jpg
>
>
> 2008/11/6 ~:'' ありがとうございました。 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>> BBC or other picture feeds?
>> does the BBC provide any feeds with picture links?
>> how about other great feeds with pictures?
>>
>> cheers
>>
>>   
>>
>>  Chetwynd
>>
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> http://www.openicon.org/
>>
>> +44 (0) 20 7978 1764
>>
>>
>> I use a few non-bbc ones here:
>> http://www.openicon.org/feeds/zanadu.svg
>>
>> which includes a horrible hack for the bbc weather icons, chairs on sale
>> at ebay, yahoo news, flickr pets, youtube films and much more...
>> our man from Reuters was sure they had one, but confirmed that they
>> don't...
>>
>
>
>
> --
>
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Re: [backstage-developer] BBC or other picture feeds?

[~:'' ありがとうございました。]

Brian,
does the image you mention change from time to time?
the ones I mention, do...
did you read my ps which contains quite  a few...?

I use a few non-bbc ones here:
http://www.openicon.org/feeds/zanadu.svg

which includes a horrible hack for the bbc weather icons, chairs on  
sale at ebay, yahoo news, flickr pets, youtube films and much more...
our man from Reuters was sure they had one, but confirmed that they  
don't...


does the image you mention change from time to time?

Jonathan Chetwynd

[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.openicon.org/

+44 (0) 20 7978 1764


On 7 Nov 2008, at 06:46, Brian Butterworth wrote:


Jonathan,

The only 'feed' as such is the one for the iPlayer.  If you have a  
programme's PID from the RSS feeds, you can get an image for it from:


http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/images/episode/PID_303_170.jpg


2008/11/6 ~:'' ありがとうございました。  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

BBC or other picture feeds?

does the BBC provide any feeds with picture links?
how about other great feeds with pictures?

cheers

 Chetwynd

[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.openicon.org/

+44 (0) 20 7978 1764



I use a few non-bbc ones here:
http://www.openicon.org/feeds/zanadu.svg

which includes a horrible hack for the bbc weather icons, chairs on  
sale at ebay, yahoo news, flickr pets, youtube films and much more...
our man from Reuters was sure they had one, but confirmed that they  
don't...




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Re: [backstage-developer] BBC or other picture feeds?

[Brian Butterworth]

Jonathan,
The only 'feed' as such is the one for the iPlayer.  If you have a
programme's PID from the RSS feeds, you can get an image for it from:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/images/episode/PID_303_170.jpg


2008/11/6 ~:'' ありがとうございました。 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> BBC or other picture feeds?
> does the BBC provide any feeds with picture links?
> how about other great feeds with pictures?
>
> cheers
>
>   
>
>  Chetwynd
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://www.openicon.org/
>
> +44 (0) 20 7978 1764
>
>
> I use a few non-bbc ones here:
> http://www.openicon.org/feeds/zanadu.svg
>
> which includes a horrible hack for the bbc weather icons, chairs on sale at
> ebay, yahoo news, flickr pets, youtube films and much more...
> our man from Reuters was sure they had one, but confirmed that they
> don't...
>



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