[BackupPC-users] Backuppc on the same (server) system?

2008-12-18 Thread Glassfox

This is an edited version of a previous post



Nils Breunese (Lemonbit) wrote:
> 
> You could solve this by using '/' (or '*', which sets excludes for all  
> shares don't have any specific excludes set) as the share name and  
> specifying a list of directories not to backup as the value:
> 
> 
> $Conf{BackupFilesExclude} = {
> '*' => [
> '/media/*',
> '/proc/*',
> '/sys/*',
> '/var/lib/backuppc/*'
> ]
> };
> 
> 
> Nils Breunese.
> 
> 


Thanks, this solution worked!

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[BackupPC-users] Backuppc on the same (server) system?

2008-12-18 Thread Glassfox

[quote="Nils Breunese (Lemonbit)"]
You could solve this by using '/' (or '*', which sets excludes for all  
shares don't have any specific excludes set) as the share name and  
specifying a list of directories not to backup as the value:


$Conf{BackupFilesExclude} = {
'*' => [
'/media/*',
'/proc/*',
'/sys/*',
'/var/lib/backuppc/*'
]
};


Nils Breunese.

/quote]

Thanks, this solution worked!

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Re: [BackupPC-users] Backuppc on the same (server) system?

2008-12-15 Thread Nils Breunese (Lemonbit)
Glassfox wrote:

> I tried several times to backup my server host, but backuppc seemed  
> to ignore the exclude files settings. I want to exclude this folders  
> from backup with their all subfolders: /proc, /sys, /media and /var/ 
> lib/backuppc. This is my current config file content:
>
> $Conf{BackupFilesExclude} = {
>  '/media/*' => [
>'',
>''
>  ],
>  '/sys/*' => [
>''
>  ],
>  '/var/lib/backuppc/*' => [
>''
>  ],
>  '/proc/*' => [
>''
>  ]
> };
>
> I'm using Ubuntu and rsync.
> Is there any error?

Yes, your configuration is incorrect. See 
http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/faq/BackupPC.html#item__conf_backupfilesexclude_
 
  for the documentation. The keys need to correspond to share names,  
but the keys in your example correspond to directories *within* a  
share. This doesn't work.

You could solve this by using '/' (or '*', which sets excludes for all  
shares don't have any specific excludes set) as the share name and  
specifying a list of directories not to backup as the value:


$Conf{BackupFilesExclude} = {
   '*' => [
 '/media/*',
 '/proc/*',
 '/sys/*',
 '/var/lib/backuppc/*'
   ]
};


I guess you could even use the simple list form in this case as you're  
not working with multiple shares:


$Conf{BackupFilesExclude} = { '/media/*', '/proc/*', '/sys/*', '/var/ 
lib/backuppc/*' };


Nils Breunese.

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Re: [BackupPC-users] Backuppc on the same (server) system?

2008-12-15 Thread Holger Parplies
Hi,

Glassfox wrote on 2008-12-15 17:47:17 -0500 [[BackupPC-users]  Backuppc on the 
same (server) system?]:
> [...]
> Is there any error?

yes.

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[BackupPC-users] Backuppc on the same (server) system?

2008-12-15 Thread Glassfox


Nils Breunese (Lemonbit) wrote:
> 
> What kind of OS are you talking about? For a *nix machine you could  
> just backup /. If you want to backup everything, you don't need any  
> excludes. However, you probably don't want to backup everything, as  
> backing up /proc and /sys really doesn't make sense. The comments in  
> the default BackupPC config.pl also say:
> 
> 
> For linux or unix machines you should add "/proc" to  
> $Conf{BackupFilesExclude} unless you have specified --one-file-system  
> in $Conf{TarClientCmd} or --one-file-system in $Conf{RsyncArgs}.
> 
> 
> Nils Breunese.
> 


I tried several times to backup my server host, but backuppc seemed to ignore 
the exclude files settings. I want to exclude this folders from backup with 
their all subfolders: /proc, /sys, /media and /var/lib/backuppc. This is my 
current config file content: 

$Conf{BackupFilesExclude} = {
  '/media/*' => [
'',
''
  ],
  '/sys/*' => [
''
  ],
  '/var/lib/backuppc/*' => [
''
  ],
  '/proc/*' => [
''
  ]
};

I'm using Ubuntu and rsync.
Is there any error?

Thanks, for help.

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Re: [BackupPC-users] Backuppc on the same (server) system?

2008-12-12 Thread dan
I make the assumption that the hardware is commodity level.

The benefits in cost and performance of commodity hardware cant be
overlooked but because commodity hardware typically lacks redundant power
supplies and uses consumer level hard disks it is more prone to failure.

To combat this you would typically run some type of redundant server whether
that was an identical server or a light weight server capable to keeping
systems up in a minimal state.

if you happen to be running your database on a serious chunk of hardware
with SAS/SCSI drives, redundant power supplies, etc etc then you may be
satisfied with a single server and backups.



On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 12:26 AM, Nils Breunese (Lemonbit) <
n...@lemonbit.com> wrote:

> dan wrote:
>
> > the problem with backing up a database  incrementally is that as the
> > database grows the backups bloat up as they do not get any benefit
> > from the incremental backup.
> >
> > with a database, it is usually better to replicate the database to
> > another host and then do periodic dumps.
> >
> > web pages are very typically static on disk.  it is a good practice
> > to make your website completely read-only so there would be no
> > writes to local files.  The only writes should be to the cache and
> > to an attached database.
> >
> > I would suggest you do periodic dumps of the database and then
> > backup the directory where you put those dumps.  I would also
> > suggest that you replicate the database to another machine.  Keep in
> > mind that if you are not going to have an hot spare database server,
> > you can replicate a heavily used database to very modest hardware
> > because it doesnt need to server requests.  The nice thing about
> > online replication is that you can replicate and then shut down the
> > second database and do the dump from there so you never have to shut
> > down the main database.
>
> I believe a lot of databases these days don't need to be shut down to
> create a dump. And we still don't know what the situation is (what
> kind of database, how much data). Using a separate server for
> replication may very well be overkill.
>
> Nils Breunese.
>
>
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Re: [BackupPC-users] Backuppc on the same (server) system?

2008-12-11 Thread Adam Goryachev
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Glassfox wrote:
> Well,backuppc is installed and running. But two things I didn't
> found:
> 
> 1. Where can I define the backups destination path? I want to use an
> external USB drive for this.

You don't, you mount your external drive at the location your
installation defines as the mount point. On debian this is /var/lib/backuppc

> 2. What is the right (host?) configuration if I just want to backup
> just everything (a copy of all existing files on disk)? I mean, what
> do I have to define for all this include/exclude/etc. parameters?

See the example config for localhost.pl included with debian, or review
the wiki, and/or mailing list posts. Some examples will show how to use
sudo + rsync (or tar) to backup the local machine.

Regards,
Adam
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Re: [BackupPC-users] Backuppc on the same (server) system?

2008-12-11 Thread Nils Breunese (Lemonbit)
Glassfox wrote:

> 1. Where can I define the backups destination path? I want to use an  
> external USB drive for this.

The installer asks for the TopDir location. If you installed a  
prepackaged version of BackupPC this location was decided by the  
packager. It's probably /var/lib/backuppc in that case (at least I  
hear that's what the Debian and Ubuntu packages use). You should be  
able to mount your external USB drive as /var/lib/backuppc. Better  
make sure BackupPC is not running when you do.

> 2. What is the right (host?) configuration if I just want to backup  
> just everything (a copy of all existing files on disk)? I mean, what  
> do I have to define for all this include/exclude/etc. parameters?

What kind of OS are you talking about? For a *nix machine you could  
just backup /. If you want to backup everything, you don't need any  
excludes. However, you probably don't want to backup everything, as  
backing up /proc and /sys really doesn't make sense. The comments in  
the default BackupPC config.pl also say:


For linux or unix machines you should add "/proc" to  
$Conf{BackupFilesExclude} unless you have specified --one-file-system  
in $Conf{TarClientCmd} or --one-file-system in $Conf{RsyncArgs}.


Nils Breunese.

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[BackupPC-users] Backuppc on the same (server) system?

2008-12-11 Thread Glassfox

Well,backuppc is installed and running. But two things I didn't found:

1. Where can I define the backups destination path? I want to use an external 
USB drive for this.

2. What is the right (host?) configuration if I just want to backup just 
everything (a copy of all existing files on disk)? I mean, what do I have to 
define for all this include/exclude/etc. parameters?

Thanks.

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[BackupPC-users] Backuppc on the same (server) system?

2008-12-11 Thread Glassfox


Nils Breunese (Lemonbit) wrote:
> dan wrote:
> I believe a lot of databases these days don't need to be shut down to  
> create a dump. And we still don't know what the situation is (what  
> kind of database, how much data). Using a separate server for  
> replication may very well be overkill.
> 
> Nils Breunese.
> 
> 


Thanks again for your advices! I'm using the postgres database. The dump 
utility for it is pg_dump, which - as described in the documentation - allows 
to create a dump without shutting down the database (read only access is 
possible during this process than). The expected usual size of my database 
should be less than 1 GB (uncompressed dump).

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Re: [BackupPC-users] Backuppc on the same (server) system?

2008-12-10 Thread Nils Breunese (Lemonbit)
dan wrote:

> the problem with backing up a database  incrementally is that as the  
> database grows the backups bloat up as they do not get any benefit  
> from the incremental backup.
>
> with a database, it is usually better to replicate the database to  
> another host and then do periodic dumps.
>
> web pages are very typically static on disk.  it is a good practice  
> to make your website completely read-only so there would be no  
> writes to local files.  The only writes should be to the cache and  
> to an attached database.
>
> I would suggest you do periodic dumps of the database and then  
> backup the directory where you put those dumps.  I would also  
> suggest that you replicate the database to another machine.  Keep in  
> mind that if you are not going to have an hot spare database server,  
> you can replicate a heavily used database to very modest hardware  
> because it doesnt need to server requests.  The nice thing about  
> online replication is that you can replicate and then shut down the  
> second database and do the dump from there so you never have to shut  
> down the main database.

I believe a lot of databases these days don't need to be shut down to  
create a dump. And we still don't know what the situation is (what  
kind of database, how much data). Using a separate server for  
replication may very well be overkill.

Nils Breunese.

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Re: [BackupPC-users] Backuppc on the same (server) system?

2008-12-10 Thread dan
the problem with backing up a database  incrementally is that as the
database grows the backups bloat up as they do not get any benefit from the
incremental backup.

with a database, it is usually better to replicate the database to another
host and then do periodic dumps.

web pages are very typically static on disk.  it is a good practice to make
your website completely read-only so there would be no writes to local
files.  The only writes should be to the cache and to an attached database.

I would suggest you do periodic dumps of the database and then backup the
directory where you put those dumps.  I would also suggest that you
replicate the database to another machine.  Keep in mind that if you are not
going to have an hot spare database server, you can replicate a heavily used
database to very modest hardware because it doesnt need to server requests.
The nice thing about online replication is that you can replicate and then
shut down the second database and do the dump from there so you never have
to shut down the main database.



On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 4:16 PM, Nils Breunese (Lemonbit) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:

> Glassfox wrote:
>
> > I hope, I understood this in the right way: making database dumps
> > helps (I will not get an inconsistence state) but using backuppc for
> > them will bloat the backup pool?
>
> Depends on what your definition of bloat is. And probably also on the
> size of your databases. We backup the dumps of our databases with
> BackupPC and it works just fine.
>
> Nils Breunese.
>
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Re: [BackupPC-users] Backuppc on the same (server) system?

2008-12-10 Thread Nils Breunese (Lemonbit)
Glassfox wrote:

> I hope, I understood this in the right way: making database dumps  
> helps (I will not get an inconsistence state) but using backuppc for  
> them will bloat the backup pool?

Depends on what your definition of bloat is. And probably also on the  
size of your databases. We backup the dumps of our databases with  
BackupPC and it works just fine.

Nils Breunese.

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[BackupPC-users] Backuppc on the same (server) system?

2008-12-10 Thread Glassfox


Tino Schwarze wrote:
> 
> > Web applicaties are just static files, right? You can back them up  
> > safely. Consult the docs for your database software for backups. We  
> > let BackupPC run a script to create SQL dumps of all our databases  
> > before starting the backup. Backing up the live database files usually  
> > is not guaranteed to get you a consistent state.
> > 
> 
> It's actually almost guaranteed that you DON'T get a consistent state. ;-)
> 
> We don't use BackupPC for database dumps - we've got a parallel
> infrastructure for this since pooling the dumps doesn't make sense and
> would only bloat our pool. We archive the dumps to tape and only hold
> them for some days, then expire them. Since our tapes are expired
> exponentially, we gain a backup scheme similar to BackupPCs but save a
> lot of disk space. 
> 


Thank you very much for your advices guys! I'll try to implement them.

I hope, I understood this in the right way: making database dumps helps (I will 
not get an inconsistence state) but using backuppc for them will bloat the 
backup pool?

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Re: [BackupPC-users] Backuppc on the same (server) system?

2008-12-10 Thread Pedro M. S. Oliveira

Hi, 
To do this i recomend you the following:
make a copy of rsync to your backuppc bin directory
cp rsync /opt/Backuppc/bin
chown root:backuppc /opt/Backuppc/bin/rsync 
chmod 750 /opt/Backuppc/bin/rsync
chmod u+s /opt/Backuppc/bin/rsync 
then in the host backuppc config change the line that specifies the $rsync path 
and change it to  /opt/Backuppc/bin/rsync
in the host backuppc config change the line that specifies the copy/restore 
comand erasing everything till the var $rsync

what can you achive with this?
well you'll have a much faster/efficient backup because you are not encryting 
all the information for your localhost host. has you are local you won't need 
to have a tcp and security layer involved in the end you backup can run about 
4-10 times faster depending on your cpu/memory.

you may think this is dangerous in a security perspective but just certify that 
no1 else belong to group backuppc other than the backuppc user.

Cheer hope I help a bit.
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On Tuesday 09 December 2008 21:52:40 Glassfox wrote:
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> Hello, I'm new to linux and looking for an overall backup tool for a Linux 
> server. 
> 
> My first question is: can backuppc make a backup of a system it is running on 
> itself? Or do I always need to have a second backup host to make a backup of 
> my Linux server? 
> 
> And my second question is: could I get a corrupt system backup if the web 
> applications and databases were not shut down during the backup process? 
> 
> Thanks.
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Re: [BackupPC-users] Backuppc on the same (server) system?

2008-12-10 Thread Tino Schwarze
> Web applicaties are just static files, right? You can back them up  
> safely. Consult the docs for your database software for backups. We  
> let BackupPC run a script to create SQL dumps of all our databases  
> before starting the backup. Backing up the live database files usually  
> is not guaranteed to get you a consistent state.

It's actually almost guaranteed that you DON'T get a consistent state. ;-)

We don't use BackupPC for database dumps - we've got a parallel
infrastructure for this since pooling the dumps doesn't make sense and
would only bloat our pool. We archive the dumps to tape and only hold
them for some days, then expire them. Since our tapes are expired
exponentially, we gain a backup scheme similar to BackupPCs but save a
lot of disk space.

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Re: [BackupPC-users] Backuppc on the same (server) system?

2008-12-10 Thread Nils Breunese (Lemonbit)
Glassfox wrote:

> My first question is: can backuppc make a backup of a system it is  
> running on itself? Or do I always need to have a second backup host  
> to make a backup of my Linux server?

A BackupPC server can backup itself just fine. Just make sure you  
exclude the backup pool, or you'll get into a backup loop.

> And my second question is: could I get a corrupt system backup if  
> the web applications and databases were not shut down during the  
> backup process?

Web applicaties are just static files, right? You can back them up  
safely. Consult the docs for your database software for backups. We  
let BackupPC run a script to create SQL dumps of all our databases  
before starting the backup. Backing up the live database files usually  
is not guaranteed to get you a consistent state.

Nils Breunese.

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[BackupPC-users] Backuppc on the same (server) system?

2008-12-10 Thread Glassfox

Hello, I'm new to linux and looking for an overall backup tool for a Linux 
server. 

My first question is: can backuppc make a backup of a system it is running on 
itself? Or do I always need to have a second backup host to make a backup of my 
Linux server? 

And my second question is: could I get a corrupt system backup if the web 
applications and databases were not shut down during the backup process? 

Thanks.

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