Re: [BackupPC-users] off-site storage
ssh version 5.7 or greater should be handling hard links. Unfortunately, the two off-sites that I checked are using version 5.3 . There must be some turn-key system these guys all buy, and it is nowhere near the version 6.4 that is on my fedora20 pc. On 08/16/2014 09:06 PM, Les Mikesell wrote: On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 6:35 PM, Norman Goldstein norm...@telus.net wrote: I can see the advantage of kick-starting a remote server with a hard drive backup of your system. This is not practical for me, and, fortunately, my backups are under 2 GB. Here is my plan 1. ssh to my web-hosting company (which supports ssh) 2. Set up an sshfs with their site (which is also linux) 3. Point /var/lib/BackupPC to my local sshfs folder Before starting, there is something I'd like to do to simplify this. I have noticed that on my fedora installation, that /var/lib/BackupPC is the home directory of the backuppc user. Do you see any problem if, as a post-installation step for BackupPC on my machine, that I tell my OS to use a different home directory for the backuppc user e.g. /home/backuppc ? I don't believe that sshfs will handle hardlinks, so that won't work for backuppc storage. -- Slashdot TV. Video for Nerds. Stuff that matters. http://tv.slashdot.org/ ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net Project: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] off-site storage
I can see the advantage of kick-starting a remote server with a hard drive backup of your system. This is not practical for me, and, fortunately, my backups are under 2 GB. Here is my plan 1. ssh to my web-hosting company (which supports ssh) 2. Set up an sshfs with their site (which is also linux) 3. Point /var/lib/BackupPC to my local sshfs folder Before starting, there is something I'd like to do to simplify this. I have noticed that on my fedora installation, that /var/lib/BackupPC is the home directory of the backuppc user. Do you see any problem if, as a post-installation step for BackupPC on my machine, that I tell my OS to use a different home directory for the backuppc user e.g. /home/backuppc ? Thanks. On 08/14/2014 09:15 PM, John Sellens wrote: On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 01:18:07PM -0500, Les Mikesell wrote: | Or, do you mean to set up a BackupPC server in the cloud? | | Yes, a complete off-site server is the straightforward approach. Hmmm - depending on OS and what the remote looks like, I wonder if ZFS and ZFS snapshots would be a good way to get backuppc offsite? The initial off-siting could be via local removable drive - put the snapshot in one big file on the removable, remove it, and carry the disk to the remote, and restore the snapshot onto the remote machine. Then incrementals over ssh. I should try that one of these days. Hope that's useful - cheers! John -- ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net Project: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/ -- ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net Project: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] off-site storage
On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 6:35 PM, Norman Goldstein norm...@telus.net wrote: I can see the advantage of kick-starting a remote server with a hard drive backup of your system. This is not practical for me, and, fortunately, my backups are under 2 GB. Here is my plan 1. ssh to my web-hosting company (which supports ssh) 2. Set up an sshfs with their site (which is also linux) 3. Point /var/lib/BackupPC to my local sshfs folder Before starting, there is something I'd like to do to simplify this. I have noticed that on my fedora installation, that /var/lib/BackupPC is the home directory of the backuppc user. Do you see any problem if, as a post-installation step for BackupPC on my machine, that I tell my OS to use a different home directory for the backuppc user e.g. /home/backuppc ? I don't believe that sshfs will handle hardlinks, so that won't work for backuppc storage. -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com -- ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net Project: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] off-site storage
Thanks very much for the ideas and experience. On 08/14/2014 09:15 PM, John Sellens wrote: On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 01:18:07PM -0500, Les Mikesell wrote: | Or, do you mean to set up a BackupPC server in the cloud? | | Yes, a complete off-site server is the straightforward approach. Hmmm - depending on OS and what the remote looks like, I wonder if ZFS and ZFS snapshots would be a good way to get backuppc offsite? The initial off-siting could be via local removable drive - put the snapshot in one big file on the removable, remove it, and carry the disk to the remote, and restore the snapshot onto the remote machine. Then incrementals over ssh. I should try that one of these days. Hope that's useful - cheers! John -- ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net Project: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/ -- ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net Project: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] off-site storage
-Original Message- From: Norman Goldstein [mailto:norm...@telus.net] Sent: den 14 augusti 2014 02:32 To: backuppc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [BackupPC-users] off-site storage I use BackupPC to back up to an nfs-mounted NAS. This works great. I like the interface and control that we have for configuration, status and walk-abouts. However, I am somewhat delinquent in taking a hard copy DVD off-site on a regular basis. I've been looking around for off-site cloud-type storage, where I can sync the BackupPC data folder. -- I want that there should always be a valid backup off-site. -- The BackupPC backup process should not be active while the BackupPC data folder is being sync'd off-site (unless BPC is doing the sync'ing?) -- I don't want to do a wholesale copy each time, but rather incremental copying, to keep down the bandwidth (like BackupPC does with de-dup'ing) Any suggestions? Thank you. How about having BPC backup to an off-site Owncloud installation? -- //Sorin smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature -- ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net Project: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] off-site storage
That would be fine. Does anyone have experience with such a setup? -- Would that be an rsync protocol for BPC? I suppose it depends on the cloud service, -- Any feedback on which companies out there offer such dependable service? -- I'd also want to maintain a local copy of the BPC data folder, as currently, on my NAS. Thanks. On 08/14/2014 02:44 AM, Sorin Srbu wrote: -Original Message- From: Norman Goldstein [mailto:norm...@telus.net] Sent: den 14 augusti 2014 02:32 To: backuppc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [BackupPC-users] off-site storage I use BackupPC to back up to an nfs-mounted NAS. This works great. I like the interface and control that we have for configuration, status and walk-abouts. However, I am somewhat delinquent in taking a hard copy DVD off-site on a regular basis. I've been looking around for off-site cloud-type storage, where I can sync the BackupPC data folder. -- I want that there should always be a valid backup off-site. -- The BackupPC backup process should not be active while the BackupPC data folder is being sync'd off-site (unless BPC is doing the sync'ing?) -- I don't want to do a wholesale copy each time, but rather incremental copying, to keep down the bandwidth (like BackupPC does with de-dup'ing) Any suggestions? Thank you. How about having BPC backup to an off-site Owncloud installation? -- //Sorin -- ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net Project: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/ -- ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net Project: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] off-site storage
On 08/14 07:52 , Norman Goldstein wrote: Does anyone have experience with such a setup? -- Would that be an rsync protocol for BPC? I suppose it depends on the cloud service, Past experience has been that attempting to rsync the entire BPC data pool is disastrous. There's too many files which leads to rsync using so much memory that it crashes the machine. Some people do have schemes for replicating the pool in pieces broken down on a per-machine basis, but it's a bit kludgy. The recommended solution is still to just set up another BPC server which has duplicate backups of all the machines you wish to have offsite backups for. I believe BPC v4 will make replication much easier, but I know nothing about it. -- Carl Soderstrom Systems Administrator Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com -- ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net Project: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] off-site storage
Ok, fair enough, and good to know. Thanks for that. The suggestion below is to have a 2nd installation of BPC, on another local machine. How would you point /var/lib/BackuPC to the cloud target location? It is also the home folder for the backuppc user. Or, do you mean to set up a BackupPC server in the cloud? On 08/14/2014 09:23 AM, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: On 08/14 07:52 , Norman Goldstein wrote: Does anyone have experience with such a setup? -- Would that be an rsync protocol for BPC? I suppose it depends on the cloud service, Past experience has been that attempting to rsync the entire BPC data pool is disastrous. There's too many files which leads to rsync using so much memory that it crashes the machine. Some people do have schemes for replicating the pool in pieces broken down on a per-machine basis, but it's a bit kludgy. The recommended solution is still to just set up another BPC server which has duplicate backups of all the machines you wish to have offsite backups for. I believe BPC v4 will make replication much easier, but I know nothing about it. -- ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net Project: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] off-site storage
On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 12:58 PM, Norman Goldstein norm...@telus.net wrote: Ok, fair enough, and good to know. Thanks for that. The suggestion below is to have a 2nd installation of BPC, on another local machine. How would you point /var/lib/BackuPC to the cloud target location? It is also the home folder for the backuppc user. Or, do you mean to set up a BackupPC server in the cloud? Yes, a complete off-site server is the straightforward approach. It could be a VM from some 'cloud' service provider as long as it looks like a normal machine with a filesystem that supports hardlinks. However using a real machine has the advantage that you can make your initial full runs locally where you have bandwidth, then move it offsite where rsync will only have to xfer the changes (even for subsequent full backups of the same targets). You can use openvpn to a host on your network to get encrypted access over the internet if necessary.The issue in doing it any other way is that it is extremely difficult to replicate all of the hardlinks that backuppc uses for pooling. The alpha 4.x version may be better about this, but I don't think anyone has much experience with it yet. -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com -- ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net Project: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] off-site storage
On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 01:18:07PM -0500, Les Mikesell wrote: | Or, do you mean to set up a BackupPC server in the cloud? | | Yes, a complete off-site server is the straightforward approach. Hmmm - depending on OS and what the remote looks like, I wonder if ZFS and ZFS snapshots would be a good way to get backuppc offsite? The initial off-siting could be via local removable drive - put the snapshot in one big file on the removable, remove it, and carry the disk to the remote, and restore the snapshot onto the remote machine. Then incrementals over ssh. I should try that one of these days. Hope that's useful - cheers! John -- ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net Project: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
