Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula 1.37.25 and Volume Shadow Copy Service?

2005-07-13 Thread Kern Sibbald
On Tuesday 12 July 2005 17:39, Jonte Norman wrote:
   I am still a bit confused about how to get this to work though...
   Are VSS enabled in the Winbacula-1.37.22 version of the client, or do
   I have to build one from CVS? I have added Enable VSS = Yes in the
   FileSet resource in bacula-dir.conf but Bacula does not seem to use
   VSS...
 
  VSS is not yet enabled in the FD.  Please refer to my status report sent
  last Friday (if I remember right).

 Ok! Thanks for the info...
 Are you planning to release any more betas of Winbacula (wich includes
 VSS) before the release of Bacula 1.38?

There will one more beta release of Bacula (winbacula too) without VSS.

I will explain why and propose a solution (that I hope will please everyone 
including Thorsten) in a email I hope to write tonight or tomorrow.


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Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula 1.37.25 and Volume Shadow Copy Service?

2005-07-12 Thread Kern Sibbald
On Tuesday 12 July 2005 00:52, Jonte Norman wrote:
 On 7/11/05, Kern Sibbald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On Monday 11 July 2005 13:32, Russell Howe wrote:
   Jonte Norman wrote:
Hi Bacula-users,
   
And what if I only have enabled VSS on one of the partitions (the one
holding the MSSQL or Exchange DB files) on my Windows machine, what
happens then?
   
Also, does anyone know if he has implemented VSS restore yet? As I
understand this is a must have if one are going to do a proper
restore of an MS Exchange database...
  
   I'm not sure this would work for things like Exchange. You would need
   to tell it to do something like this:
  
   * Flush changes to its database files
   * Back up those files, without them changing in the process
   * Tell Exchange that it's free to write to the files again
 
  This is exactly what VSS does, but the technical details are considerably
  more complicated. It is all documented on Microsoft's web site.

 Yes according to Microsoft one should be able to backup both Exchange
 2003 and MSSQL 2000 databases with VSS,
 http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=822896product=exch2003

 I am still a bit confused about how to get this to work though...
 Are VSS enabled in the Winbacula-1.37.22 version of the client, or do
 I have to build one from CVS? I have added Enable VSS = Yes in the
 FileSet resource in bacula-dir.conf but Bacula does not seem to use
 VSS...

VSS is not yet enabled in the FD.  Please refer to my status report sent last 
Friday (if I remember right).


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Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula 1.37.25 and Volume Shadow Copy Service?

2005-07-12 Thread Jonte Norman
  I am still a bit confused about how to get this to work though...
  Are VSS enabled in the Winbacula-1.37.22 version of the client, or do
  I have to build one from CVS? I have added Enable VSS = Yes in the
  FileSet resource in bacula-dir.conf but Bacula does not seem to use
  VSS...
 
 VSS is not yet enabled in the FD.  Please refer to my status report sent last
 Friday (if I remember right).
 

Ok! Thanks for the info...
Are you planning to release any more betas of Winbacula (wich includes
VSS) before the release of Bacula 1.38?

Best regards,

Jonte Norman


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Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula 1.37.25 and Volume Shadow Copy Service?

2005-07-11 Thread Russell Howe
Jonte Norman wrote:
 Hi Bacula-users,

 And what if I only have enabled VSS on one of the partitions (the one
 holding the MSSQL or Exchange DB files) on my Windows machine, what
 happens then?
 
 Also, does anyone know if he has implemented VSS restore yet? As I
 understand this is a must have if one are going to do a proper restore
 of an MS Exchange database...

I'm not sure this would work for things like Exchange. You would need to
tell it to do something like this:

* Flush changes to its database files
* Back up those files, without them changing in the process
* Tell Exchange that it's free to write to the files again

Anything else, and you will end up with an inconsistent Exchange
database (even if VSS does something like 'snapshotting', unless all
writes by Exchange to its database are transactional you will still end
up with an unclean database backup and you'll have to become more
familiar with eseutil than you would ever wish).

Your best bet here is to use ntbackup to dump the Exchange database to a
file and back that up, much like the system state backup described in
the manual.

You will of course need the space for this dump, but disk space is
cheap. There's not usually any need to have RAID for scratch disks like
this, etc.

The same principle applies to MS SQL Server.

It would be like backing up a live filesystem in Linux by dumping the
block device directly. It will probably work, but you will have to fsck
it, and there is *NO* guarantee that you won't lose data (in fact, it's
very likely that you will).

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