Re: [Bacula-users] bacula-users email list
Den 16. apr. 2007 kl. 11.59 skrev Alan Brown: On Sat, 14 Apr 2007, Kern Sibbald wrote: This decision is motivated by the fact that the number of emails has grown to be quite large, and hence to read them all requires a good deal of time. I think there is a big need for a bacula-newbies list... The same questions do tend to be cropping up repeatedly. I (as a newbie) miss a book to read (yes I do have the 750 page pdf). A book available through Amazon would help me, and lighten the load for the bacula power-users. A 750 page pdf can be some trouble reading on a computer screen. Or/And what about moving the something.edu/baculawiki to wiki.bacula.org? (with a disclaimer, if there is legal issues) By the way: are there any howto's or walkthroughs on getting bacula up and running available on bacula.org? //Christoffer - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] bacula-users email list
On Tuesday 17 April 2007 12:14, Christoffer Osland wrote: Den 16. apr. 2007 kl. 11.59 skrev Alan Brown: On Sat, 14 Apr 2007, Kern Sibbald wrote: This decision is motivated by the fact that the number of emails has grown to be quite large, and hence to read them all requires a good deal of time. I think there is a big need for a bacula-newbies list... The same questions do tend to be cropping up repeatedly. I (as a newbie) miss a book to read (yes I do have the 750 page pdf). A book available through Amazon would help me, and lighten the load for the bacula power-users. A 750 page pdf can be some trouble reading on a computer screen. Or/And what about moving the something.edu/baculawiki to wiki.bacula.org? (with a disclaimer, if there is legal issues) By the way: are there any howto's or walkthroughs on getting bacula up and running available on bacula.org? //Christoffer When I got started with Bacula a year ago I started from the online manual (http://www.bacula.org/rel-manual/index.html). I read almost all of it and to me it was enough to get experimenting and configuring Bacula. But I agree that it's a good idea to have a wiki with sample configurations etc. -- Silver - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] bacula-users email list
Tirsdag 17 april 2007 02:03 skrev Wolfgang Denk: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] you wrote: Just my two cents... While a better wiki-faq is almost always a good thing, I think that in terms of reducing e-mail traffic and helping with the dumb questions, a forum system might be another alternative. A forum system is almost always much worse than a mailing list. Please don't. A forum would keep inboxes from becoming cluttered, and represents a relatively low barrier to entry for many users. Personally, I find it ...but it represents a high barrier for the gurus who are used to use their standard mail readers which usually are not web browsers. Now The Guru has signed off the mailing list.. verified belief is that newbies presented with a choice of forum versus e-mail list will choose the forum. You are probably right. That's because they don't know it better. Most experts decide the other way. Why? When I learned the little Bacula that I know I tried, but found it impossible to do any meaningful searches in the list archives. It did not help that they are occasionally offline. I read the book (manual), but the end result is that the few things that I did not find in the book or misunderstood, had to be helped out by Kern on the maillinglist. This experience is in contrast to other opensource worlds, where most often a search in a forum reveals the answer that has usually already been given once. There is a huge difference between good and bad forum software - in the good ones it is very easy to survey the topics, see which issues are unsolved or even unanswered - add sticky notes, and thus you can keep in touch in a short time compared to being signed up to a maillinglist. Best regards, Wolfgang Denk -- Regards Steen - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] bacula-users email list
Tirsdag 17 april 2007 01:12 skrev Dan Langille: If someone things it is a good idea, that someone should just do it. Don't ask permission. Don't ask for advice. Just do it. Start it. And go from there. Let the idea stand on its own merit. If there is not a link from the official website it is not worth the effort -- Regards Steen - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] bacula-users email list
On 4/17/07, Steen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tirsdag 17 april 2007 01:12 skrev Dan Langille: If someone things it is a good idea, that someone should just do it. Don't ask permission. Don't ask for advice. Just do it. Start it. And go from there. Let the idea stand on its own merit. If there is not a link from the official website it is not worth the effort True. Maybe we (community) could be given moin on doc.bacula.org, for example. Kern? jerry -- Oh joy! Rapture! I've got a brain -Scarecrow - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] bacula-users email list
On Sat, 14 Apr 2007, Kern Sibbald wrote: This decision is motivated by the fact that the number of emails has grown to be quite large, and hence to read them all requires a good deal of time. I think there is a big need for a bacula-newbies list... The same questions do tend to be cropping up repeatedly. - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] bacula-users email list
On 4/16/07, Alan Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 14 Apr 2007, Kern Sibbald wrote: This decision is motivated by the fact that the number of emails has grown to be quite large, and hence to read them all requires a good deal of time. I think there is a big need for a bacula-newbies list... The same questions do tend to be cropping up repeatedly. That, I think, would be better served by a decently organized and maintained Wiki/FAQ. jerry -- Oh joy! Rapture! I've got a brain -Scarecrow - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] bacula-users email list
Jerry Amundson schrieb: On 4/16/07, Alan Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 14 Apr 2007, Kern Sibbald wrote: This decision is motivated by the fact that the number of emails has grown to be quite large, and hence to read them all requires a good deal of time. I think there is a big need for a bacula-newbies list... The same questions do tend to be cropping up repeatedly. That, I think, would be better served by a decently organized and maintained Wiki/FAQ. A (unofficial?) Wiki does already exist. http://paramount.ind.wpi.edu/wiki/doku.php Ralf - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] bacula-users email list
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ralf Gross wrote: Jerry Amundson schrieb: On 4/16/07, Alan Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 14 Apr 2007, Kern Sibbald wrote: This decision is motivated by the fact that the number of emails has grown to be quite large, and hence to read them all requires a good deal of time. I think there is a big need for a bacula-newbies list... The same questions do tend to be cropping up repeatedly. That, I think, would be better served by a decently organized and maintained Wiki/FAQ. A (unofficial?) Wiki does already exist. http://paramount.ind.wpi.edu/wiki/doku.php Tell you what, though, I'm not going to use that thing if it isn't on the Bacula website someplace (basically because I can't remember the URL and don't tend to use bookmarks much). I think that's going to be the case for a lot of people... there needs to be some sort of decision made on this one. - -- _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ |Y#| | | |\/| | \ |\ | | |Ryan Novosielski - Systems Programmer III |$| |__| | | |__/ | \| _| |[EMAIL PROTECTED] - 973/972.0922 (2-0922) \__/ Univ. of Med. and Dent.|IST/AST - NJMS Medical Science Bldg - C630 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGI5qymb+gadEcsb4RAse8AKCFPZTrmrlRHT6nYg9oH602fbCxBgCeKgqh qdreAH8N84ehOcOCG8fHQm0= =9KNe -END PGP SIGNATURE- - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] bacula-users email list
Mandag 16 april 2007 17:48 skrev Ryan Novosielski: Ralf Gross wrote: Jerry Amundson schrieb: On 4/16/07, Alan Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 14 Apr 2007, Kern Sibbald wrote: This decision is motivated by the fact that the number of emails has grown to be quite large, and hence to read them all requires a good deal of time. I think there is a big need for a bacula-newbies list... The same questions do tend to be cropping up repeatedly. That, I think, would be better served by a decently organized and maintained Wiki/FAQ. A (unofficial?) Wiki does already exist. http://paramount.ind.wpi.edu/wiki/doku.php Tell you what, though, I'm not going to use that thing if it isn't on the Bacula website someplace (basically because I can't remember the URL and don't tend to use bookmarks much). I think that's going to be the case for a lot of people... Yes - me too there needs to be some sort of decision made on this one. A searchable forum is what I find the best way to gather knowledge along the way - and still be ready at hand when you need it -- Regards Steen - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] bacula-users email list
On Apr 16, 2007, at 7:56 AM, Jerry Amundson wrote: On 4/16/07, Alan Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 14 Apr 2007, Kern Sibbald wrote: This decision is motivated by the fact that the number of emails has grown to be quite large, and hence to read them all requires a good deal of time. I think there is a big need for a bacula-newbies list... The same questions do tend to be cropping up repeatedly. That, I think, would be better served by a decently organized and maintained Wiki/FAQ. Just my two cents... While a better wiki-faq is almost always a good thing, I think that in terms of reducing e-mail traffic and helping with the dumb questions, a forum system might be another alternative. I don't think adding a newbies list will really help--few people will restrict themselves to the newbie list and then only escalate to the 'users' list once a significant time has passed. The two lists would be too similar to have a strong distinction, and most people with one-off questions are likely to cast their net widely enough (ie: address to both) just in case. If you build it, they will skip it. The Users and Devel lists don't quite have this problem due to a clear separation of topics, but any newbies are unlikely to be able to know if their question is dumb or not almost by definition. A forum would keep inboxes from becoming cluttered, and represents a relatively low barrier to entry for many users. Personally, I find it less of an subjective psychological investment to make a pseudonymous forum account than to join a mailing list. My not-experimentally- verified belief is that newbies presented with a choice of forum versus e-mail list will choose the forum. -- --Darien A. Hager [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] bacula-users email list
On 16 Apr 2007 at 15:22, Darien Hager wrote: On Apr 16, 2007, at 7:56 AM, Jerry Amundson wrote: On 4/16/07, Alan Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 14 Apr 2007, Kern Sibbald wrote: This decision is motivated by the fact that the number of emails has grown to be quite large, and hence to read them all requires a good deal of time. I think there is a big need for a bacula-newbies list... The same questions do tend to be cropping up repeatedly. That, I think, would be better served by a decently organized and maintained Wiki/FAQ. Just my two cents... While a better wiki-faq is almost always a good thing, I think that in terms of reducing e-mail traffic and helping with the dumb questions, a forum system might be another alternative. If someone things it is a good idea, that someone should just do it. Don't ask permission. Don't ask for advice. Just do it. Start it. And go from there. Let the idea stand on its own merit. -- Dan Langille : Software Developer looking for work my resume: http://www.freebsddiary.org/dan_langille.php PGCon - The PostgreSQL Conference - http://www.pgcon.org/ - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] bacula-users email list
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] you wrote: Just my two cents... While a better wiki-faq is almost always a good thing, I think that in terms of reducing e-mail traffic and helping with the dumb questions, a forum system might be another alternative. A forum system is almost always much worse than a mailing list. Please don't. A forum would keep inboxes from becoming cluttered, and represents a relatively low barrier to entry for many users. Personally, I find it ...but it represents a high barrier for the gurus who are used to use their standard mail readers which usually are not web browsers. verified belief is that newbies presented with a choice of forum versus e-mail list will choose the forum. You are probably right. That's because they don't know it better. Most experts decide the other way. Best regards, Wolfgang Denk -- DENX Software Engineering GmbH, HRB 165235 Munich, CEO: Wolfgang Denk Office: Kirchenstr. 5, D-82194 Groebenzell,Germany Phone: (+49)-8142-66989-10 Fax: (+49)-8142-66989-80 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Philosophy: A route of many roads leading from nowhere to nothing. - Ambrose Bierce - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
[Bacula-users] bacula-users email list
Hello, This email is to let you know that I will be unsubscribing from the bacula-users email list, and thus will no longer read nor respond to those emails, unless I am either directly copied, or a copy is sent to the bacula-devel list. This decision is motivated by the fact that the number of emails has grown to be quite large, and hence to read them all requires a good deal of time. In addition, I believe that the list is very well self sustaining, in fact, my attempts to clarify certain points seem to me to be more and more contested, possibly because I don't follow the list as well as is necessary for giving appropriate responses. I would appreciate it if users would not copy me unless it is a question for development, or in the case of something that is *very* likely a bug. I would appreciate it if some of the experienced list participants would bring to my attention anything that seems important (copy me or the devel list). However,please ensure that the appropriate basic information is provided (e.g. Bacula version, DB type, sample output showing the error/problem, ...). The downside of this is that I often make lots of minor improvements to the manual based on comments/misunderstandings on the bacula-users list. Best regards, Kern - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Bacula-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
