Re: [Bacula-users] bacula splitting big jobs in to two

2015-02-11 Thread Richard Fox
Hi,

On Thu, 29 Jan 2015, Rao, Uthra R. (GSFC-672.0)[ADNET SYSTEMS INC] 
wrote:

> 
> I run bacula 5.2.12 on a RHEL server which is attached to a Tape Library. I 
> have two LTO5 tape
> drives. Since the data on one of my server has grown big the back-up takes 
> 10-12 days to
> complete. I would like to split this job in to two jobs. Has anybody done 
> this kind of a set-up?
> I need some guidance on how to go about it.

I did something like this with our backups, dividing them up in order to 
decrease the amount of time necessary for backups. At the time I conceived 
this system, we had about 56TB of data. For historic reasons our backups 
were made from NFS exports from a single central NAS fileserver, because 
it was proprietary, I couldn't directly access the fileserver any other 
way. (This has changed but I haven't made substantial changes to the 
procedure yet.)

I have two tape libraries for this each with two drives, and both support 
partitioning. I partitioned the two libraries so that from the computer's 
perspective I have 4 libraries.

Our filesystems are composed primarily of user directories and working 
group directories. I calculated the size of each of these directories and 
then used a basic bin-packing algorithm to subdivide them into four groups 
each being assigned to a parition. A preperation script is used to mount 
each directory as a separate NFS mount in its respective "group" 
directory. The groups were sized such that the ratio of the data to the 
capacity of a given library's partition were more or less the same for the 
four groups.

I created four pools, four jobs, for storage devices, etc., all to 
match up with the 4 library paritions and four groups, essentially 
creating 4 complete backup jobs.

When it's time to take new base backups, I repeat the calculation, 
bin-packing part and run the update the mount points to redistribute the 
data.

It did cut down the time required to do base backups substantially.

I was also able to remove a set of files that while only occupied about a 
terabyte, contained tens of millions of tiny files that massively slowed 
down the backup process whenever it hit that spot. Perhaps you have 
similar conditions on your filesystems?

Thanks,
Rich.

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Re: [Bacula-users] bacula splitting big jobs in to two

2015-02-11 Thread Rao, Uthra R. (GSFC-672.0)[ADNET SYSTEMS INC]
Thank you all for your input. I am planning to test the split backup first 
before I try anything else.

Regards,
Uthra

-Original Message-
From: Davide Giunchi [mailto:davide.giun...@soasi.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2015 6:03 AM
To: bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Cc: Rao, Uthra R. (GSFC-672.0)[ADNET SYSTEMS INC]
Subject: Re: [Bacula-users] bacula splitting big jobs in to two


I think that you have two choiches:

1) use virtualfull:
http://www.bacula.org/7.0.x-manuals/en/main/Released_Version_3_0_3_3_0_.html#SECTION00527000

After the first full backup, you wouldn't need any other full backup, only 
incremental forever.

2) split the single job in two different filesets and two different jobs


regards

- Messaggio originale -
> Da: "Rao, Uthra R. (GSFC-672.0)[ADNET SYSTEMS INC]" 
> 
> A: bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net
> Inviato: Lunedì, 2 febbraio 2015 15:23:18
> Oggetto: Re: [Bacula-users] bacula splitting big jobs in to two

> Andy,
> 
> I have to backup about 70TB in one job.
> 
> Uthra
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: akent04 [mailto:bacula-fo...@backupcentral.com]
> Sent: Friday, January 30, 2015 9:50 AM
> To: bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: [Bacula-users] bacula splitting big jobs in to two
> 
> I run bacula 5.2.12 on a RHEL server which is attached to a Tape 
> Library. I have two LTO5 tape drives. Since the data on one of my 
> server has grown big the back-up takes 10-12 days to complete. I would 
> like to split this job in to two jobs. Has anybody done this kind of a 
> set-up? I need some guidance on how to go about it."
> 
> 
> "Mr. Uthra: at a glance I think the only way to do that is having to 
> Job configurations for the same Client, with two FileSet 
> configurations for them respectively.
> This is very manual, since you will have to "load balance" the 
> different backup paths for each FileSet by yourself.
> Just in time: unless there is a huge amount of information on this 
> server it's not normal for a Backup Job take 12 days to complete, and 
> maybe there is some bottlenecks in your structure / configuration. "
> 
> 
> Regards,
> ==
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> 
> I would have to echo the above post in regards to bottlenecks. How 
> much data are you backing up?
> I'm able to back up almost 500GB(over a million files) in around 4-5 
> hours and that is to an RDX cartridge in a Tandberg Quikstation. Twice 
> that (around 1TB) would probably only take about 8-10 hours, less than 
> a day. If you have only around 1-4TB of data you're backing up 10-12 
> days is abnormal for that when dealing with some type of local 
> hardware(not over Internet or VPN), and I'd look into why it's taking so long 
> instead of trying to work around it.
> 
> -Andy
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Re: [Bacula-users] bacula splitting big jobs in to two

2015-02-11 Thread Davide Giunchi

I think that you have two choiches:

1) use virtualfull:
http://www.bacula.org/7.0.x-manuals/en/main/Released_Version_3_0_3_3_0_.html#SECTION00527000

After the first full backup, you wouldn't need any other full backup, only 
incremental forever.

2) split the single job in two different filesets and two different jobs


regards

- Messaggio originale -
> Da: "Rao, Uthra R. (GSFC-672.0)[ADNET SYSTEMS INC]" 
> A: bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net
> Inviato: Lunedì, 2 febbraio 2015 15:23:18
> Oggetto: Re: [Bacula-users] bacula splitting big jobs in to two

> Andy,
> 
> I have to backup about 70TB in one job.
> 
> Uthra
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: akent04 [mailto:bacula-fo...@backupcentral.com]
> Sent: Friday, January 30, 2015 9:50 AM
> To: bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: [Bacula-users] bacula splitting big jobs in to two
> 
> I run bacula 5.2.12 on a RHEL server which is attached to a Tape Library. I 
> have
> two LTO5 tape drives. Since the data on one of my server has grown big the
> back-up takes 10-12 days to complete. I would like to split this job in to two
> jobs. Has anybody done this kind of a set-up? I need some guidance on how to 
> go
> about it."
> 
> 
> "Mr. Uthra: at a glance I think the only way to do that is having to Job
> configurations for the same Client, with two FileSet configurations for them
> respectively.
> This is very manual, since you will have to "load balance" the different 
> backup
> paths for each FileSet by yourself.
> Just in time: unless there is a huge amount of information on this server it's
> not normal for a Backup Job take 12 days to complete, and maybe there is some
> bottlenecks in your structure / configuration. "
> 
> 
> Regards,
> ==Heitor
> Medrado de Faria - LPIC-III | ITIL-F Jan. 26 - Fev. 06 - Novo Treinamento
> Telepresencial Bacula: http://www.bacula.com.br/?p=2174
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> Site: heitorfaria < at > gmail.com (heitorfaria < at > gmail.com)
> ===
> 
> I would have to echo the above post in regards to bottlenecks. How much data 
> are
> you backing up?
> I'm able to back up almost 500GB(over a million files) in around 4-5 hours and
> that is to an RDX cartridge in a Tandberg Quikstation. Twice that (around 1TB)
> would probably only take about 8-10 hours, less than a day. If you have only
> around 1-4TB of data you're backing up 10-12 days is abnormal for that when
> dealing with some type of local hardware(not over Internet or VPN), and I'd
> look into why it's taking so long instead of trying to work around it.
> 
> -Andy
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Re: [Bacula-users] bacula splitting big jobs in to two

2015-02-10 Thread John Drescher
> Umm... just a check, but if it takes this long to back up, wont it
> take just as long if not longer to restore?
>
> I don't really see how this is a workable situation and perhaps you're
> trying to solve the wrong problem?
>

Restores should not be frequent and rarely would be the entire data
set. In the (14+ years ?) that I have used bacula I have never had to
restore more than a few GB even though I have 70TB on tape.

John

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Re: [Bacula-users] bacula splitting big jobs in to two

2015-02-10 Thread Blake Dunlap
Umm... just a check, but if it takes this long to back up, wont it
take just as long if not longer to restore?

I don't really see how this is a workable situation and perhaps you're
trying to solve the wrong problem?

-Blake

On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 2:01 PM, Bryn Hughes  wrote:
> I'm in a somewhat similar boat, I don't have 70TB, but I do have 21.5TB
> and LTO3 equipment (max 80 MB/sec).  If it were possible to keep a tape
> drive streaming constantly without ever having to change tapes or
> unloading it would still take me many days to finish.
>
> The easiest way to start splitting things up is at the root filesystem
> level for your data directory.  I assume you don't have 70TB in files
> just all thrown together in one big directory, there is probably some
> sort of organizational structure?
>
> In my case we generate a new directory at the root level each year and
> then put the year's work in to that.  I create a separate fileset for
> each individual year.  I then have a separate job for each year.  Using
> JobDefs and a common schedule minimizes the configuration work, you end
> up with nothing more really than a Job and a Fileset, each with only a
> few lines in your config file.
>
> Look for something like this in how your data is laid out.  Just
> remember to create additional jobs as new stuff is added - again in my
> case we're only doing this once a year.  I have the root directory of
> the file shares locked so new folders can't be created by anyone but the
> admins, this allows me to ensure the correct backup config is added at
> the same time.
>
> Bryn
>
>
> On 2015-02-02 06:23 AM, Rao, Uthra R. (GSFC-672.0)[ADNET SYSTEMS INC] wrote:
>> Andy,
>>
>> I have to backup about 70TB in one job.
>>
>> Uthra
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: akent04 [mailto:bacula-fo...@backupcentral.com]
>> Sent: Friday, January 30, 2015 9:50 AM
>> To: bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net
>> Subject: [Bacula-users] bacula splitting big jobs in to two
>>
>> I run bacula 5.2.12 on a RHEL server which is attached to a Tape Library. I 
>> have two LTO5 tape drives. Since the data on one of my server has grown big 
>> the back-up takes 10-12 days to complete. I would like to split this job in 
>> to two jobs. Has anybody done this kind of a set-up? I need some guidance on 
>> how to go about it."
>>
>>
>> "Mr. Uthra: at a glance I think the only way to do that is having to Job 
>> configurations for the same Client, with two FileSet configurations for them 
>> respectively.
>> This is very manual, since you will have to "load balance" the different 
>> backup paths for each FileSet by yourself.
>> Just in time: unless there is a huge amount of information on this server 
>> it's not normal for a Backup Job take 12 days to complete, and maybe there 
>> is some bottlenecks in your structure / configuration. "
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> ==Heitor
>>  Medrado de Faria - LPIC-III | ITIL-F Jan. 26 - Fev. 06 - Novo Treinamento 
>> Telepresencial Bacula: http://www.bacula.com.br/?p=2174
>> 61  (tel:%2B55%2061%202021-8260)8268-4220 (tel:%2B55%2061%208268-4220)
>> Site: heitorfaria < at > gmail.com (heitorfaria < at > gmail.com) 
>> ===
>>
>> I would have to echo the above post in regards to bottlenecks. How much data 
>> are you backing up?
>> I'm able to back up almost 500GB(over a million files) in around 4-5 hours 
>> and that is to an RDX cartridge in a Tandberg Quikstation. Twice that 
>> (around 1TB) would probably only take about 8-10 hours, less than a day. If 
>> you have only around 1-4TB of data you're backing up 10-12 days is abnormal 
>> for that when dealing with some type of local hardware(not over Internet or 
>> VPN), and I'd look into why it's taking so long instead of trying to work 
>> around it.
>>
>> -Andy
>>
>
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Re: [Bacula-users] bacula splitting big jobs in to two

2015-02-09 Thread Bryn Hughes
I'm in a somewhat similar boat, I don't have 70TB, but I do have 21.5TB 
and LTO3 equipment (max 80 MB/sec).  If it were possible to keep a tape 
drive streaming constantly without ever having to change tapes or 
unloading it would still take me many days to finish.

The easiest way to start splitting things up is at the root filesystem 
level for your data directory.  I assume you don't have 70TB in files 
just all thrown together in one big directory, there is probably some 
sort of organizational structure?

In my case we generate a new directory at the root level each year and 
then put the year's work in to that.  I create a separate fileset for 
each individual year.  I then have a separate job for each year.  Using 
JobDefs and a common schedule minimizes the configuration work, you end 
up with nothing more really than a Job and a Fileset, each with only a 
few lines in your config file.

Look for something like this in how your data is laid out.  Just 
remember to create additional jobs as new stuff is added - again in my 
case we're only doing this once a year.  I have the root directory of 
the file shares locked so new folders can't be created by anyone but the 
admins, this allows me to ensure the correct backup config is added at 
the same time.

Bryn


On 2015-02-02 06:23 AM, Rao, Uthra R. (GSFC-672.0)[ADNET SYSTEMS INC] wrote:
> Andy,
>
> I have to backup about 70TB in one job.
>
> Uthra
>
> -Original Message-
> From: akent04 [mailto:bacula-fo...@backupcentral.com]
> Sent: Friday, January 30, 2015 9:50 AM
> To: bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: [Bacula-users] bacula splitting big jobs in to two
>
> I run bacula 5.2.12 on a RHEL server which is attached to a Tape Library. I 
> have two LTO5 tape drives. Since the data on one of my server has grown big 
> the back-up takes 10-12 days to complete. I would like to split this job in 
> to two jobs. Has anybody done this kind of a set-up? I need some guidance on 
> how to go about it."
>
>
> "Mr. Uthra: at a glance I think the only way to do that is having to Job 
> configurations for the same Client, with two FileSet configurations for them 
> respectively.
> This is very manual, since you will have to "load balance" the different 
> backup paths for each FileSet by yourself.
> Just in time: unless there is a huge amount of information on this server 
> it's not normal for a Backup Job take 12 days to complete, and maybe there is 
> some bottlenecks in your structure / configuration. "
>
>
> Regards,
> ==Heitor
>  Medrado de Faria - LPIC-III | ITIL-F Jan. 26 - Fev. 06 - Novo Treinamento 
> Telepresencial Bacula: http://www.bacula.com.br/?p=2174
> 61  (tel:%2B55%2061%202021-8260)8268-4220 (tel:%2B55%2061%208268-4220)
> Site: heitorfaria < at > gmail.com (heitorfaria < at > gmail.com) 
> ===
>
> I would have to echo the above post in regards to bottlenecks. How much data 
> are you backing up?
> I'm able to back up almost 500GB(over a million files) in around 4-5 hours 
> and that is to an RDX cartridge in a Tandberg Quikstation. Twice that (around 
> 1TB) would probably only take about 8-10 hours, less than a day. If you have 
> only around 1-4TB of data you're backing up 10-12 days is abnormal for that 
> when dealing with some type of local hardware(not over Internet or VPN), and 
> I'd look into why it's taking so long instead of trying to work around it.
>
> -Andy
>


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Re: [Bacula-users] bacula splitting big jobs in to two

2015-02-02 Thread Rao, Uthra R. (GSFC-672.0)[ADNET SYSTEMS INC]
Andy,

I have to backup about 70TB in one job.

Uthra

-Original Message-
From: akent04 [mailto:bacula-fo...@backupcentral.com] 
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2015 9:50 AM
To: bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: [Bacula-users] bacula splitting big jobs in to two

I run bacula 5.2.12 on a RHEL server which is attached to a Tape Library. I 
have two LTO5 tape drives. Since the data on one of my server has grown big the 
back-up takes 10-12 days to complete. I would like to split this job in to two 
jobs. Has anybody done this kind of a set-up? I need some guidance on how to go 
about it." 


"Mr. Uthra: at a glance I think the only way to do that is having to Job 
configurations for the same Client, with two FileSet configurations for them 
respectively. 
This is very manual, since you will have to "load balance" the different backup 
paths for each FileSet by yourself. 
Just in time: unless there is a huge amount of information on this server it's 
not normal for a Backup Job take 12 days to complete, and maybe there is some 
bottlenecks in your structure / configuration. "


Regards,
==Heitor
 Medrado de Faria - LPIC-III | ITIL-F Jan. 26 - Fev. 06 - Novo Treinamento 
Telepresencial Bacula: http://www.bacula.com.br/?p=2174
61  (tel:%2B55%2061%202021-8260)8268-4220 (tel:%2B55%2061%208268-4220)
Site: heitorfaria < at > gmail.com (heitorfaria < at > gmail.com) 
===

I would have to echo the above post in regards to bottlenecks. How much data 
are you backing up?
I'm able to back up almost 500GB(over a million files) in around 4-5 hours and 
that is to an RDX cartridge in a Tandberg Quikstation. Twice that (around 1TB) 
would probably only take about 8-10 hours, less than a day. If you have only 
around 1-4TB of data you're backing up 10-12 days is abnormal for that when 
dealing with some type of local hardware(not over Internet or VPN), and I'd 
look into why it's taking so long instead of trying to work around it.

-Andy

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[Bacula-users] bacula splitting big jobs in to two

2015-01-30 Thread akent04
I run bacula 5.2.12 on a RHEL server which is attached to a Tape Library. I 
have two LTO5 tape drives. Since the data on one of my server has grown big the 
back-up takes 10-12 days to complete. I would like to split this job in to two 
jobs. Has anybody done this kind of a set-up? I need some guidance on how to go 
about it." 


"Mr. Uthra: at a glance I think the only way to do that is having to Job 
configurations for the same Client, with two FileSet configurations for them 
respectively. 
This is very manual, since you will have to "load balance" the different backup 
paths for each FileSet by yourself. 
Just in time: unless there is a huge amount of information on this server it's 
not normal for a Backup Job take 12 days to complete, and maybe there is some 
bottlenecks in your structure / configuration. "


Regards, 
==Heitor
 Medrado de Faria - LPIC-III | ITIL-F 
Jan. 26 - Fev. 06 - Novo Treinamento Telepresencial Bacula: 
http://www.bacula.com.br/?p=2174 
61  (tel:%2B55%2061%202021-8260)8268-4220 (tel:%2B55%2061%208268-4220) 
Site: heitorfaria < at > gmail.com (heitorfaria < at > gmail.com) 
===

I would have to echo the above post in regards to bottlenecks. How much data 
are you backing up?
I'm able to back up almost 500GB(over a million files) in around 4-5 hours and 
that is to an RDX cartridge in a Tandberg Quikstation. Twice that (around 1TB) 
would probably only take about 8-10 hours, less than a day. If you have only 
around 1-4TB of data you're backing up 10-12 days is abnormal for that when 
dealing with some type of local hardware(not over Internet or VPN), and I'd 
look into why it's taking so long instead of trying to work around it.

-Andy

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Re: [Bacula-users] bacula splitting big jobs in to two

2015-01-29 Thread Heitor Faria
> I run bacula 5.2.12 on a RHEL server which is attached to a Tape Library. I
> have two LTO5 tape drives. Since the data on one of my server has grown big
> the back-up takes 10-12 days to complete. I would like to split this job in
> to two jobs. Has anybody done this kind of a set-up? I need some guidance on
> how to go about it.

Mr. Uthra: at a glance I think the only way to do that is having to Job 
configurations for the same Client, with two FileSet configurations for them 
respectively. 
This is very manual, since you will have to "load balance" the different backup 
paths for each FileSet by yourself. 
Just in time: unless there is a huge amount of information on this server it's 
not normal for a Backup Job take 12 days to complete, and maybe there is some 
bottlenecks in your structure / configuration. 

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[Bacula-users] bacula splitting big jobs in to two

2015-01-29 Thread Rao, Uthra R. (GSFC-672.0)[ADNET SYSTEMS INC]
I run bacula 5.2.12 on a RHEL server which is attached to a Tape Library. I 
have two LTO5 tape drives. Since the data on one of my server has grown big the 
back-up takes 10-12 days to complete. I would like to split this job in to two 
jobs. Has anybody done this kind of a set-up? I need some guidance on how to go 
about it.

Thank you.
Uthra
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