Re: [Bacula-users] products based on bacula
I've got to defend management here. IME, they DO ask for evaluations, reports, executive summaries, the works. But they only ask it for the short list of products after an initial culling, often only between the two or three finalists. How many commercial enterprise backup systems are there on the market? More than that, I'm sure. That's where marketing matters. Marketing isn't about selling. It's about getting on the short list. THEN you can let the product sell itself on the merits. Bacula has strengths and weaknesses in that area. Strength: viral marketing. Those in the know - us - appreciate the quality, and can work to get it onto the short list. Strength: reasonable visibility within the Open Source community. I discovered it because it had administration modules in webmin. Weakness: the name and tag line. It doesn't matter when selling on the merits, but it's a huge issue with getting on the short list. Weakness: little known outside Open Source. That's a double-whammy since many managers still tend to be skeptical of Open Source to begin with. Weakness: no slick brochures, white papers, etc. When a manager asks his employee give me a short list of backup solutions, the employee will start with google and download whitepapers and executive summaries. And, no, the What is Bacula page does not count. And let's also not forget: (most) managers aren't in the business of promoting Open Source. They are in the business of solving their business problems. Sometimes, Open Source is the answer, sometimes it isn't. As a consultant, I advise many customers to buy Microsoft servers. I personally prefer Linux servers, but for many situations, Windows really is the better solution. I'm running a mix of both in my own office. And I warn my customers of using OpenOffice. But I point them to the Gimp for image manipulation. I host their Web sites on LAMP. etc. etc. Ultimately, solving the problem matters - and licensing cost is only one factor in the equation. Very often a minor one. Ryan Novosielski wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Trouble is management these days in a lot of places doesn't know enough to make a decision other than on a cost or name basis. You'd expect if a person was unsure, they'd ask for a walkthrough or a synopsis, maybe with an extended trial period -- not just reject outright. Mag Gam wrote: I have got a lot of convincing to do. :-( Will try my best. On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 2:16 AM, Jon Ingason jon.inga...@sentor.se wrote: Scott Lambert skrev: On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 08:00:21PM -0500, Mag Gam wrote: I agree for the most part of what you said but when *we* (our team) is competing with other teams in the firm to design and implement our solution we also want management to take us seriously. Most of our MBA management like names with acronyms..TSM **cough, cough**, versus something a 10 year old would say to his sister, b-cula . In addition, choosing a produce named Baucla -- virtually unknown to management -- against a known BUT expensive product could be a risky move on their part, therefore I asked the initial question. Make up an acronym using the letters B, A, U, C, L, and A again. Then spell it all in uppercase BACULA. It's a longer acronym than TSM so it must have more features and be a better product. :-) What about B - Backing up data with A - Advacned C - Control U - Utilities over L - Lagre A - Area or Areas ;-) -- Kevin Keane Owner The NetTech Find the Uncommon: Expert Solutions for a Network You Never Have to Think About Office: 866-642-7116 http://www.4nettech.com This e-mail and attachments, if any, may contain confidential and/or proprietary information. Please be advised that the unauthorized use or disclosure of the information is strictly prohibited. The information herein is intended only for use by the intended recipient(s) named above. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and permanently delete the e-mail and any copies, printouts or attachments thereof. -- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SourcForge Community SourceForge wants to tell your story. http://p.sf.net/sfu/sf-spreadtheword ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] products based on bacula
Nice post Kevin. On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 5:20 AM, Kevin Keane subscript...@kkeane.com wrote: I've got to defend management here. IME, they DO ask for evaluations, reports, executive summaries, the works. But they only ask it for the short list of products after an initial culling, often only between the two or three finalists. How many commercial enterprise backup systems are there on the market? More than that, I'm sure. That's where marketing matters. Marketing isn't about selling. It's about getting on the short list. THEN you can let the product sell itself on the merits. Bacula has strengths and weaknesses in that area. Strength: viral marketing. Those in the know - us - appreciate the quality, and can work to get it onto the short list. Strength: reasonable visibility within the Open Source community. I discovered it because it had administration modules in webmin. Weakness: the name and tag line. It doesn't matter when selling on the merits, but it's a huge issue with getting on the short list. Weakness: little known outside Open Source. That's a double-whammy since many managers still tend to be skeptical of Open Source to begin with. Weakness: no slick brochures, white papers, etc. When a manager asks his employee give me a short list of backup solutions, the employee will start with google and download whitepapers and executive summaries. And, no, the What is Bacula page does not count. And let's also not forget: (most) managers aren't in the business of promoting Open Source. They are in the business of solving their business problems. Sometimes, Open Source is the answer, sometimes it isn't. As a consultant, I advise many customers to buy Microsoft servers. I personally prefer Linux servers, but for many situations, Windows really is the better solution. I'm running a mix of both in my own office. And I warn my customers of using OpenOffice. But I point them to the Gimp for image manipulation. I host their Web sites on LAMP. etc. etc. Ultimately, solving the problem matters - and licensing cost is only one factor in the equation. Very often a minor one. Ryan Novosielski wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Trouble is management these days in a lot of places doesn't know enough to make a decision other than on a cost or name basis. You'd expect if a person was unsure, they'd ask for a walkthrough or a synopsis, maybe with an extended trial period -- not just reject outright. Mag Gam wrote: I have got a lot of convincing to do. :-( Will try my best. On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 2:16 AM, Jon Ingason jon.inga...@sentor.se wrote: Scott Lambert skrev: On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 08:00:21PM -0500, Mag Gam wrote: I agree for the most part of what you said but when *we* (our team) is competing with other teams in the firm to design and implement our solution we also want management to take us seriously. Most of our MBA management like names with acronyms..TSM **cough, cough**, versus something a 10 year old would say to his sister, b-cula . In addition, choosing a produce named Baucla -- virtually unknown to management -- against a known BUT expensive product could be a risky move on their part, therefore I asked the initial question. Make up an acronym using the letters B, A, U, C, L, and A again. Then spell it all in uppercase BACULA. It's a longer acronym than TSM so it must have more features and be a better product. :-) What about B - Backing up data with A - Advacned C - Control U - Utilities over L - Lagre A - Area or Areas ;-) -- Kevin Keane Owner The NetTech Find the Uncommon: Expert Solutions for a Network You Never Have to Think About Office: 866-642-7116 http://www.4nettech.com This e-mail and attachments, if any, may contain confidential and/or proprietary information. Please be advised that the unauthorized use or disclosure of the information is strictly prohibited. The information herein is intended only for use by the intended recipient(s) named above. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and permanently delete the e-mail and any copies, printouts or attachments thereof. -- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SourcForge Community SourceForge wants to tell your story. http://p.sf.net/sfu/sf-spreadtheword ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users -- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SourcForge Community SourceForge wants to tell your story. http://p.sf.net/sfu/sf-spreadtheword ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Re: [Bacula-users] products based on bacula
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Trouble is management these days in a lot of places doesn't know enough to make a decision other than on a cost or name basis. You'd expect if a person was unsure, they'd ask for a walkthrough or a synopsis, maybe with an extended trial period -- not just reject outright. Mag Gam wrote: I have got a lot of convincing to do. :-( Will try my best. On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 2:16 AM, Jon Ingason jon.inga...@sentor.se wrote: Scott Lambert skrev: On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 08:00:21PM -0500, Mag Gam wrote: I agree for the most part of what you said but when *we* (our team) is competing with other teams in the firm to design and implement our solution we also want management to take us seriously. Most of our MBA management like names with acronyms..TSM **cough, cough**, versus something a 10 year old would say to his sister, b-cula . In addition, choosing a produce named Baucla -- virtually unknown to management -- against a known BUT expensive product could be a risky move on their part, therefore I asked the initial question. Make up an acronym using the letters B, A, U, C, L, and A again. Then spell it all in uppercase BACULA. It's a longer acronym than TSM so it must have more features and be a better product. :-) What about B - Backing up data with A - Advacned C - Control U - Utilities over L - Lagre A - Area or Areas ;-) - -- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SourcForge Community SourceForge wants to tell your story. http://p.sf.net/sfu/sf-spreadtheword ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users -- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SourcForge Community SourceForge wants to tell your story. http://p.sf.net/sfu/sf-spreadtheword ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users - -- _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ |Y#| | | |\/| | \ |\ | | |Ryan Novosielski - Systems Programmer II |$| |__| | | |__/ | \| _| |novos...@umdnj.edu - 973/972.0922 (2-0922) \__/ Univ. of Med. and Dent.|IST/AST - NJMS Medical Science Bldg - C630 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJeImTmb+gadEcsb4RAhWvAKDUvu9avlbBElHet/2q8DzKMDVC9gCcCrPA ia8ChTmnbmmrS3RMatLlXX8= =0Ccv -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SourcForge Community SourceForge wants to tell your story. http://p.sf.net/sfu/sf-spreadtheword ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] products based on bacula
I have got a lot of convincing to do. :-( Will try my best. On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 2:16 AM, Jon Ingason jon.inga...@sentor.se wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Scott Lambert skrev: On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 08:00:21PM -0500, Mag Gam wrote: I agree for the most part of what you said but when *we* (our team) is competing with other teams in the firm to design and implement our solution we also want management to take us seriously. Most of our MBA management like names with acronyms..TSM **cough, cough**, versus something a 10 year old would say to his sister, b-cula . In addition, choosing a produce named Baucla -- virtually unknown to management -- against a known BUT expensive product could be a risky move on their part, therefore I asked the initial question. Make up an acronym using the letters B, A, U, C, L, and A again. Then spell it all in uppercase BACULA. It's a longer acronym than TSM so it must have more features and be a better product. :-) What about B - Backing up data with A - Advacned C - Control U - Utilities over L - Lagre A - Area or Areas ;-) - -- Regards Jon Ingason -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJdsvBWn396VE8BCsRAjKgAJ9od4bRvRqlUpKrStZovL6uixNdgwCeIm6W Ln35kxOH+X5L1+vKWyUkpsk= =gJ/m -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SourcForge Community SourceForge wants to tell your story. http://p.sf.net/sfu/sf-spreadtheword ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users -- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SourcForge Community SourceForge wants to tell your story. http://p.sf.net/sfu/sf-spreadtheword ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] products based on bacula
Frank Sweetser wrote: Because many mangers, used to dealing with and fighting over budgets 7 out of 8 hours a day, tend to equate cost with value. They're used to paying more to get what they want, so assume that if they're not paying more, whatever they're getting must not be what they want. Totally agree with this. A manager of mine in a previous job point-blank refused to even consider using CVS for source code control, because it was free, even after I pointed out that the owners provided a full paid-for support service as well. She went with PVCS instead, because it cost money, despite my misgivings about the performance (java). As it turned out, everyone hated it, but because it was already paid for, they were forced to continue using it! It couldn't even do concurrent checkouts, which I pointed out before the decision was finalised, and this forced them to change their coding practices to cope with their final choice of product. Barmy! I used CVS for my own stuff at work (as a DBA/Unix guy I was outside the main development loop so wasn't tied in with what they were using), and was very happy with it. -- Mike Holden http://www.by-ang.com - the place to shop for all manner of hand crafted items, including Jewellery, Greetings Cards and Gifts -- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SourcForge Community SourceForge wants to tell your story. http://p.sf.net/sfu/sf-spreadtheword ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] products based on bacula
On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 08:00:21PM -0500, Mag Gam wrote: I agree for the most part of what you said but when *we* (our team) is competing with other teams in the firm to design and implement our solution we also want management to take us seriously. Most of our MBA management like names with acronyms..TSM **cough, cough**, versus something a 10 year old would say to his sister, b-cula . In addition, choosing a produce named Baucla -- virtually unknown to management -- against a known BUT expensive product could be a risky move on their part, therefore I asked the initial question. Make up an acronym using the letters B, A, U, C, L, and A again. Then spell it all in uppercase BACULA. It's a longer acronym than TSM so it must have more features and be a better product. :-) -- Scott LambertKC5MLE Unix SysAdmin lamb...@lambertfam.org -- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SourcForge Community SourceForge wants to tell your story. http://p.sf.net/sfu/sf-spreadtheword ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] products based on bacula
Alan Brown wrote: On Mon, 19 Jan 2009, Mag Gam wrote: It comes in the night and sucks the essence from your computers. My manager would freak if she sees this... Given that packages with equivalent functionality to Bacula run to at least $30k, why would she freak? Because many mangers, used to dealing with and fighting over budgets 7 out of 8 hours a day, tend to equate cost with value. They're used to paying more to get what they want, so assume that if they're not paying more, whatever they're getting must not be what they want. I'm sure that if you asked him nicely, Kern would be quite willing to charge you a price sufficiently high enough to make your manager happy :) James -- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SourcForge Community SourceForge wants to tell your story. http://p.sf.net/sfu/sf-spreadtheword ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] products based on bacula
James Harper wrote: Alan Brown wrote: On Mon, 19 Jan 2009, Mag Gam wrote: It comes in the night and sucks the essence from your computers. My manager would freak if she sees this... Given that packages with equivalent functionality to Bacula run to at least $30k, why would she freak? Because many mangers, used to dealing with and fighting over budgets 7 out of 8 hours a day, tend to equate cost with value. They're used to paying more to get what they want, so assume that if they're not paying more, whatever they're getting must not be what they want. I'm sure that if you asked him nicely, Kern would be quite willing to charge you a price sufficiently high enough to make your manager happy :) Don't tell Kern... I'll charge a better price. ;) -- Dan Langille BSDCan - The Technical BSD Conference : http://www.bsdcan.org/ PGCon - The PostgreSQL Conference: http://www.pgcon.org/ -- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SourcForge Community SourceForge wants to tell your story. http://p.sf.net/sfu/sf-spreadtheword ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] products based on bacula
Dan Langille wrote: James Harper wrote: Alan Brown wrote: On Mon, 19 Jan 2009, Mag Gam wrote: It comes in the night and sucks the essence from your computers. My manager would freak if she sees this... Given that packages with equivalent functionality to Bacula run to at least $30k, why would she freak? Because many mangers, used to dealing with and fighting over budgets 7 out of 8 hours a day, tend to equate cost with value. They're used to paying more to get what they want, so assume that if they're not paying more, whatever they're getting must not be what they want. I'm sure that if you asked him nicely, Kern would be quite willing to charge you a price sufficiently high enough to make your manager happy :) Don't tell Kern... I'll charge a better price. ;) In this context, that would mean at least double, right? -- Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu | For every problem, there is a solution that WPI Senior Network Engineer | is simple, elegant, and wrong. - HL Mencken GPG fingerprint = 6174 1257 129E 0D21 D8D4 E8A3 8E39 29E3 E2E8 8CEC -- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SourcForge Community SourceForge wants to tell your story. http://p.sf.net/sfu/sf-spreadtheword ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] products based on bacula
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Scott Lambert skrev: On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 08:00:21PM -0500, Mag Gam wrote: I agree for the most part of what you said but when *we* (our team) is competing with other teams in the firm to design and implement our solution we also want management to take us seriously. Most of our MBA management like names with acronyms..TSM **cough, cough**, versus something a 10 year old would say to his sister, b-cula . In addition, choosing a produce named Baucla -- virtually unknown to management -- against a known BUT expensive product could be a risky move on their part, therefore I asked the initial question. Make up an acronym using the letters B, A, U, C, L, and A again. Then spell it all in uppercase BACULA. It's a longer acronym than TSM so it must have more features and be a better product. :-) What about B - Backing up data with A - Advacned C - Control U - Utilities over L - Lagre A - Area or Areas ;-) - -- Regards Jon Ingason -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJdsvBWn396VE8BCsRAjKgAJ9od4bRvRqlUpKrStZovL6uixNdgwCeIm6W Ln35kxOH+X5L1+vKWyUkpsk= =gJ/m -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SourcForge Community SourceForge wants to tell your story. http://p.sf.net/sfu/sf-spreadtheword ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
[Bacula-users] products based on bacula
We are planning to implement bacula at one of our major manufacturing plants. Is there a professional version of this product or something similar to it with a different name. Our storage engineering team is in the process of writing proposals for various solutions but they are hesitant to use Bacula because of its name :-(. Any ideas if something like this exists? TIA -- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SourcForge Community SourceForge wants to tell your story. http://p.sf.net/sfu/sf-spreadtheword ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] products based on bacula
It comes in the night and sucks the essence from your computers. My manager would freak if she sees this... On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 2:02 PM, C M Reinehr c...@amsent.com wrote: On Mon 19 January 2009 12:08, Mag Gam wrote: We are planning to implement bacula at one of our major manufacturing plants. Is there a professional version of this product or something similar to it with a different name. Our storage engineering team is in the process of writing proposals for various solutions but they are hesitant to use Bacula because of its name :-(. Any ideas if something like this exists? TIA Yes, it exists--but it still is called Bacula. ;-) http://www.baculasystems.com/eng/About-us/Recent-news/Bacula-Systems-launches Cheers! cmr -- Debian 'Etch' - Registered Linux User #241964 More laws, less justice. -- Marcus Tullius Ciceroca, 42 BC -- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SourcForge Community SourceForge wants to tell your story. http://p.sf.net/sfu/sf-spreadtheword ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users -- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SourcForge Community SourceForge wants to tell your story. http://p.sf.net/sfu/sf-spreadtheword ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] products based on bacula
On Mon 19 January 2009 13:57, Mag Gam wrote: It comes in the night and sucks the essence from your computers. My manager would freak if she sees this... Can't help you with that! (You'll have to take that up with Kern Sibbald. ) It is, of course, open source, so I suppose you could repackage it and call it anything you like. :-) cmr On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 2:02 PM, C M Reinehr c...@amsent.com wrote: On Mon 19 January 2009 12:08, Mag Gam wrote: We are planning to implement bacula at one of our major manufacturing plants. Is there a professional version of this product or something similar to it with a different name. Our storage engineering team is in the process of writing proposals for various solutions but they are hesitant to use Bacula because of its name :-(. Any ideas if something like this exists? TIA Yes, it exists--but it still is called Bacula. ;-) http://www.baculasystems.com/eng/About-us/Recent-news/Bacula-Systems-laun ches Cheers! cmr -- Debian 'Etch' - Registered Linux User #241964 More laws, less justice. -- Marcus Tullius Ciceroca, 42 BC - - This SF.net email is sponsored by: SourcForge Community SourceForge wants to tell your story. http://p.sf.net/sfu/sf-spreadtheword ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users --- --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SourcForge Community SourceForge wants to tell your story. http://p.sf.net/sfu/sf-spreadtheword ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users -- Debian 'Etch' - Registered Linux User #241964 More laws, less justice. -- Marcus Tullius Ciceroca, 42 BC -- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SourcForge Community SourceForge wants to tell your story. http://p.sf.net/sfu/sf-spreadtheword ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] products based on bacula
I suspect it's more because it's not a household name. As a term, bacula is really no worse than Windows or Yahoo or Google. People just aren't used to it. In marketing, there is a rule: a customer must have heard of a product seven times before it becomes familiar and is considered trustworthy. That's why we are bombarded with the same ads time and over again. I do have to agree with what somebody else mentioned - the tag line It comes by night and sucks the vital essence from your computers. may be funny when you are already sold on bacula, but a major turnoff when you need to convince somebody else. It sounds as if bacula is a danger to your network. In the end, though, most decisionmakers probably get bacula because of a recommendation rather than visiting the site, so I can simply bury this tagline very deep. Mag Gam wrote: We are planning to implement bacula at one of our major manufacturing plants. Is there a professional version of this product or something similar to it with a different name. Our storage engineering team is in the process of writing proposals for various solutions but they are hesitant to use Bacula because of its name :-(. Any ideas if something like this exists? TIA -- Kevin Keane Owner The NetTech Find the Uncommon: Expert Solutions for a Network You Never Have to Think About Office: 866-642-7116 http://www.4nettech.com This e-mail and attachments, if any, may contain confidential and/or proprietary information. Please be advised that the unauthorized use or disclosure of the information is strictly prohibited. The information herein is intended only for use by the intended recipient(s) named above. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and permanently delete the e-mail and any copies, printouts or attachments thereof. -- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SourcForge Community SourceForge wants to tell your story. http://p.sf.net/sfu/sf-spreadtheword ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] products based on bacula
On 2009.01.19. 22:11, C M Reinehr wrote: On Mon 19 January 2009 13:57, Mag Gam wrote: It comes in the night and sucks the essence from your computers. My manager would freak if she sees this... Can't help you with that! (You'll have to take that up with Kern Sibbald. ) It is, of course, open source, so I suppose you could repackage it and call it anything you like. :-) i'm sure kern would love to provide a differently named package for a double price (like backup ueber alles or similar =) ) cmr On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 2:02 PM, C M Reinehr c...@amsent.com wrote: On Mon 19 January 2009 12:08, Mag Gam wrote: We are planning to implement bacula at one of our major manufacturing plants. Is there a professional version of this product or something similar to it with a different name. Our storage engineering team is in the process of writing proposals for various solutions but they are hesitant to use Bacula because of its name :-(. Any ideas if something like this exists? TIA Yes, it exists--but it still is called Bacula. ;-) http://www.baculasystems.com/eng/About-us/Recent-news/Bacula-Systems-laun ches Cheers! cmr -- Debian 'Etch' - Registered Linux User #241964 More laws, less justice. -- Marcus Tullius Ciceroca, 42 BC -- Rich -- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SourcForge Community SourceForge wants to tell your story. http://p.sf.net/sfu/sf-spreadtheword ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] products based on bacula
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Kern sent an e-mail recently about the professional services arm of the company that would be releasing software from Bacula Systems or something like that. I would respectfully say that if a company is deciding what backup software to use based on the name of the software (Bacula isn't an overly silly name -- I could see if it were obscene or irrelevant), their priorities are a little bit out of whack. Another option would be to build it using some other name, provided the license allows for this sort of thing. I forget how Bacula is licensed. Mag Gam wrote: We are planning to implement bacula at one of our major manufacturing plants. Is there a professional version of this product or something similar to it with a different name. Our storage engineering team is in the process of writing proposals for various solutions but they are hesitant to use Bacula because of its name :-(. Any ideas if something like this exists? TIA - -- _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ |Y#| | | |\/| | \ |\ | | |Ryan Novosielski - Systems Programmer II |$| |__| | | |__/ | \| _| |novos...@umdnj.edu - 973/972.0922 (2-0922) \__/ Univ. of Med. and Dent.|IST/AST - NJMS Medical Science Bldg - C630 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkl1DqoACgkQmb+gadEcsb47PACgydQ+deYZ3uSxrczsqElXYHWl 1YsAoOVuoyms8ci2dYOc7VvKmfGTCsK5 =RsbY -END PGP SIGNATURE- begin:vcard fn:Ryan Novosielski n:Novosielski;Ryan org:UMDNJ;IST/AST adr;dom:MSB C630;;185 South Orange Avenue;Newark;NJ;07103 email;internet:novos...@umdnj.edu title:Systems Programmer II tel;work:(973) 972-0922 tel;fax:(973) 972-7412 tel;pager:(866) 20-UMDNJ x-mozilla-html:FALSE version:2.1 end:vcard -- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SourcForge Community SourceForge wants to tell your story. http://p.sf.net/sfu/sf-spreadtheword___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] products based on bacula
I guess this is more of a marketing questionI meant no disrespect for the product. Overall, it seems like a killer backup application. I would respectfully say that if a company is deciding what backup software to use based on the name of the software (Bacula isn't an overly silly name -- I could see if it were obscene or irrelevant), their priorities are a little bit out of whack. I agree for the most part of what you said but when *we* (our team) is competing with other teams in the firm to design and implement our solution we also want management to take us seriously. Most of our MBA management like names with acronyms..TSM **cough, cough**, versus something a 10 year old would say to his sister, b-cula . In addition, choosing a produce named Baucla -- virtually unknown to management -- against a known BUT expensive product could be a risky move on their part, therefore I asked the initial question. Personally, I like tools that get the job done, even if the name sounds silly; heck I bet UNIX sounded silly in the early 70s, but it takes years for the mainstream public to grasp it. Frankly, I don't want to wait for a decade until the public realizes about baaa-cula :-) I was hoping there was something similar to EnterpriseDB:PostgreSQL or JavaDB:Apache Derby. I know its shallow, but words mean a lot for paper pushers :-( On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 6:37 PM, Ryan Novosielski novos...@umdnj.edu wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Kern sent an e-mail recently about the professional services arm of the company that would be releasing software from Bacula Systems or something like that. I would respectfully say that if a company is deciding what backup software to use based on the name of the software (Bacula isn't an overly silly name -- I could see if it were obscene or irrelevant), their priorities are a little bit out of whack. Another option would be to build it using some other name, provided the license allows for this sort of thing. I forget how Bacula is licensed. Mag Gam wrote: We are planning to implement bacula at one of our major manufacturing plants. Is there a professional version of this product or something similar to it with a different name. Our storage engineering team is in the process of writing proposals for various solutions but they are hesitant to use Bacula because of its name :-(. Any ideas if something like this exists? TIA - -- _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ |Y#| | | |\/| | \ |\ | | |Ryan Novosielski - Systems Programmer II |$| |__| | | |__/ | \| _| |novos...@umdnj.edu - 973/972.0922 (2-0922) \__/ Univ. of Med. and Dent.|IST/AST - NJMS Medical Science Bldg - C630 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkl1DqoACgkQmb+gadEcsb47PACgydQ+deYZ3uSxrczsqElXYHWl 1YsAoOVuoyms8ci2dYOc7VvKmfGTCsK5 =RsbY -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SourcForge Community SourceForge wants to tell your story. http://p.sf.net/sfu/sf-spreadtheword ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users -- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SourcForge Community SourceForge wants to tell your story. http://p.sf.net/sfu/sf-spreadtheword ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
