Re: When does one cease to be a youth?
Dear Susan,
Frankly, David, I haven't the foggiest idea which Writings you aretalking about. I can think of places where the Guardian or the Housesaid something to this effect, but nothing from the Writingsthemselves.
Okay, I was wrong in saying that the Writings says anything like that. I would have been referring to something Shoghi Effendi said about how youth are the most important for the Cause. Should I provide a quote?
David
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Re: When does one cease to be a youth?
Thank you Susan for sharing the word ghulam. I went searching for more on this and found something that was of interest that has not been stated - that being that development is of of both body and self. As there is no end to the development of self, being a never ending journey of attaining divine attributes, then it is also conceivable that the Manifestations (who are also outside of time and therefore ageless) are a continual, expression of attributes, ever renewed, perpetual Youths. So in a spiritual sense, we are always youths, ever in relation to that more advanced than ourselves. Below is the link that led to this post. Karen http://quranicteachings.co.uk/zakat.htm 22:41 (Believers are} those who, if We establish them in the land, establish SALAT and provide ZAKA and enjoin good and forbid evil: ... Notice in the above verse, the establishment in the land has been described as a prerequisite for the system of ZAKA. As has been mentioned above that growth and development is of two types: Physical (i.e. of the human hardware or body) and Personal (i.e. of the human software or the self or the personality). For physical development you have to have something added to your body as a nourishment but for the development of the self or self-actualization, you need to give something out of your wealth or resources for others. See the following verses (which state that TAZKIYA or personal development is achieved by giving from your wealth to others: ? ? ?? ? ??? ?? ? ?? ?? ? ??? ??? 9:103 Accept their contribution for the community. Purify their thoughts with proper education and training so that their Self may grow. Appreciate and Help them! Your appreciation and support is a great source of peace in their hearts. Allah is Hearer, Knower. ??? ??? ??? ?? 92:18 Who gives his wealth (for the benefits of others) so that he may attain self-development (and grow in goodness) Important And do not follow (blindly) any information of which you have no (direct) knowledge. (Using your faculties of perception and conception, you must verify it for yourself. (In the Court of your Lord,) you will be held accountable for your hearing, sight, and the faculty of reasoning.[17:36] Karen Gould, Certified Coach PEAT Processor and Trainer IAM ProtocolT Facilitator CIH, Holistic Healing Coach, Reiki III http://www.workasworship.com http://www.peatprocessor.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] 817-658-3306 cell The foundation of all the divine religions is one. All are based upon reality. -The Baha'i Faith The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto (e-mail) is sent by the Johnson County Community College (JCCC) and is intended to be confidential and for the use of only the individual or entity named above. The information may be protected by federal and state privacy and disclosures acts or other legal rules. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify JCCC by email reply and immediately and permanently delete this e-mail message and any attachments thereto. Thank you. __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Re: When does one cease to be a youth?
Okay, I was wrong in saying that the Writings says anything like that.nbsp; I would have been referring to something Shoghi Effendi said about how youth are the most important for the Cause.nbsp; Should I provide a quote? Dear David, In that case I'm guessing he had in mind people under 30. warmest, Susan The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto (e-mail) is sent by the Johnson County Community College (JCCC) and is intended to be confidential and for the use of only the individual or entity named above. The information may be protected by federal and state privacy and disclosures acts or other legal rules. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify JCCC by email reply and immediately and permanently delete this e-mail message and any attachments thereto. Thank you. __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Re: When does one cease to be a youth?
Physically, I am old. Spiritually, I consider myself young. The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto (e-mail) is sent by the Johnson County Community College (JCCC) and is intended to be confidential and for the use of only the individual or entity named above. The information may be protected by federal and state privacy and disclosures acts or other legal rules. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify JCCC by email reply and immediately and permanently delete this e-mail message and any attachments thereto. Thank you. __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Re: When does one cease to be a youth?
I would expect that if the Eternal Youth is reflected in your heart. Richard. - Original Message - From: Dean Betts [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Baha'i Studies bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 8:30 AM Subject: Re: When does one cease to be a youth? Physically, I am old. Spiritually, I consider myself young. The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto (e-mail) is sent by the Johnson County Community College (JCCC) and is intended to be confidential and for the use of only the individual or entity named above. The information may be protected by federal and state privacy and disclosures acts or other legal rules. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify JCCC by email reply and immediately and permanently delete this e-mail message and any attachments thereto. Thank you. __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
re: The Most challanging Issue
:In fact crime tends to go up with the increase of police officers because average citizens say, It's not my responsibility. The most effective deterrents to crime are social pressure and the fear of getting caught. in fact, former congressman and arkansas sheriff tommy robinson was working on a master's of criminology with the thesis that police radar increased crime becuase it created a situation in which officer freindly was th guy handing u a ticket, reducing the odds that you would drop a dime about something u saw. this is probably th kind of stat you can pull. all agreed. fear of getting caught is not a deterrant. fear of punishment is. thus th Verses about canopy of civilisation etc. people say not my job out of persistence of the insistent self, not the environment. th effective deterrant to crime is the love of God. everything else is, imho cleaning up the systemic failures. so far as education, counelling whatever in terms of drugs...sure. that's nice. and singapore makes poessession of narcotics a capital crime, regadless of weight. and the Master said: Force and violence, constraint and oppression are condemned in this divine cycle, but to prevent the use of opium, all means must be employed, so that the human species may be delivered and freed from this great calamity. (Abdu'l-Baha, Baha'i World Faith - Abdu'l-Baha Section, p. 335) so. to return to the thread header and points of discussion, rather than go off topic with concerns of police methodology etc...what part of all means seems unclear? and what s the source of the lack of clarity? does it relate to the issues in the orginal quote, or to something else? The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto (e-mail) is sent by the Johnson County Community College (JCCC) and is intended to be confidential and for the use of only the individual or entity named above. The information may be protected by federal and state privacy and disclosures acts or other legal rules. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify JCCC by email reply and immediately and permanently delete this e-mail message and any attachments thereto. Thank you. __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
