Re: Tests
I believe we are tested continually, even if we are not aware of it. This is a bounty from God which one day we may be more aware of. Each moment is precious and if we were not tested how can we progress? Best wishes Mike - Original Message - From: David Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Baha'i Studies bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 12:12 PM Subject: Re: Tests Dear Susan, Well, you could also ask for them. But God has been so bountiful to me on this account that I've never felt any compulsion to pray for tests. How is one to determine whether they have enough tests in their life? And if we grow from tests aren't we supposed to want more? Regards, David The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto (e-mail) is sent by the Johnson County Community College (JCCC) and is intended to be confidential and for the use of only the individual or entity named above. The information may be protected by federal and state privacy and disclosures acts or other legal rules. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify JCCC by email reply and immediately and permanently delete this e-mail message and any attachments thereto. Thank you. The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto (e-mail) is sent by the Johnson County Community College (JCCC) and is intended to be confidential and for the use of only the individual or entity named above. The information may be protected by federal and state privacy and disclosures acts or other legal rules. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify JCCC by email reply and immediately and permanently delete this e-mail message and any attachments thereto. Thank you. _ Check out the latest video @ http://xtra.co.nz/streaming __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Re: limits of hikmat, righteous warfare, jihad, etc.
What really makes the difference is the source. - Original Message - From: Loïc ROYER [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Baha'i Studies bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 11:59 PM Subject: Re: limits of hikmat, righteous warfare, jihad, etc. What makes the difference of the Baha'i faith is the individual freedom, to search, discover, discuss, write, think, believe... Of course this freedom is already given by other religions, but I understand the baha'is put this freedom over its limits, by accepting that error can be better than true, if the true brings reasons to fight as an error can be peacefull for a moment. Being baha'i this is what I believe in. But I must admit I am sometimes afraid when I see censorship appearing in our so beautiful Faith... Lolo The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto (e-mail) is sent by the Johnson County Community College (JCCC) and is intended to be confidential and for the use of only the individual or entity named above. The information may be protected by federal and state privacy and disclosures acts or other legal rules. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify JCCC by email reply and immediately and permanently delete this e-mail message and any attachments thereto. Thank you. __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Re: limits of hikmat, righteous warfare, jihad, etc.
I agree One God is the source, He also provides us with progressive revelation. Freedom needs to be tempered with wisdom. Perhaps you would like to explain what you mean by censorship appearing in our faith? - Original Message - From: Loïc ROYER [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Baha'i Studies bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 12:27 AM Subject: Re: limits of hikmat, righteous warfare, jihad, etc. I don't see what you mean. The source of all religions is one and unique God, same for all, isn't it! - Original Message - From: Michael Alcorn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Baha'i Studies bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 11:09 PM Subject: Re: limits of hikmat, righteous warfare, jihad, etc. What really makes the difference is the source. - Original Message - From: Loïc ROYER [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Baha'i Studies bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 11:59 PM Subject: Re: limits of hikmat, righteous warfare, jihad, etc. What makes the difference of the Baha'i faith is the individual freedom, to search, discover, discuss, write, think, believe... Of course this freedom is already given by other religions, but I understand the baha'is put this freedom over its limits, by accepting that error can be better than true, if the true brings reasons to fight as an error can be peacefull for a moment. Being baha'i this is what I believe in. But I must admit I am sometimes afraid when I see censorship appearing in our so beautiful Faith... Lolo The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto (e-mail) is sent by the Johnson County Community College (JCCC) and is intended to be confidential and for the use of only the individual or entity named above. The information may be protected by federal and state privacy and disclosures acts or other legal rules. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify JCCC by email reply and immediately and permanently delete this e-mail message and any attachments thereto. Thank you. The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto (e-mail) is sent by the Johnson County Community College (JCCC) and is intended to be confidential and for the use of only the individual or entity named above. The information may be protected by federal and state privacy and disclosures acts or other legal rules. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify JCCC by email reply and immediately and permanently delete this e-mail message and any attachments thereto. Thank you. __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.16.6/617 - Release Date: 05/01/2007 __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news
Re: The Covenant as Responsiveness
Thanks for posting this Susan. This has special value for our weekly deepening class. We are currently deepening on the Hidden Words and intend to carry on with the Covenant. best wishes Mike - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Baha'i Studies bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 9:52 AM Subject: The Covenant as Responsiveness Dear friends, As the last announcement indicated, I'm presenting a paper at the American Academy of Religion this weekend. I've not written the conclusion yet, but I'd like to share with you what I have and get your feedback. warmest, Susan The Covenant as Responsiveness When Baha’is discuss the concept of covenant as it applies to their teachings they usually describe the chain of authority designed to maintain their unity. They typically focus on what is commonly called the Lesser Covenant as embodied in such documents such as the Kitab-i Ahd, Baha’u’llah’s will appointing Abdu’l-Baha as His successor and the Will and Testament of Abdu’l-Baha which appointed Shoghi Effendi as Guardian of the Baha’i Faith after Him and called for the election of the Universal House of Justice. Hence, the Covenant is seen as that which obliges individual Bahá'ís to accept the leadership of Bahá'u'lláh's appointed successors and the administrative institutions of the Faith. But there is another Covenant upon which this lesser Covenant is predicated. Frequently this is called the ‘greater Covenant’, namely the Covenant which God has made with all humanity, wherein He promises us continuing guidance through His Messengers Manifestations as Baha’is call them, while we are obligated to recognize and obey them. It is primarily this greater Covenant I wish to focus my attention on today, for it is my contention that unless our understanding of the Lesser Covenant is grounded in the greater one, the depth of its significance will largely be missed. If we look at this greater Covenant as it has been described and understood throughout much of history we will find that this obligation to recognize and obey has been articulated in terms of responsiveness and remembrance. It is this theme of responsiveness and remembrance that will be examined in this paper. The Baha’i Faith concept of covenant, was not born in a vacuum. It sees itself as a continuation of the Abrahamic line of religions and its concept of covenant is ultimately linked to those traditions. Christians divide their Bible into two sections, the Old and New Testament, the term testament signifying covenant. In Judaism the term covenant in relationship to God appears first in the Torah in connection with the story of Noah wherein God assured Noah that the judgment would not again come to men in the form of a flood; and that the recurrence of the seasons and day and night should not cease. The Adamic exhortation to ‘be fruitful and multiply’ is reaffirmed. Noah and his sons are encouraged to eat all manner of meat, but a taboo is placed on the consumption of animal blood and the shedding of human blood. The rainbow is presented as sign of this covenant.1 Another covenant is made with Abraham when he is asked to leave his homeland and journey to a land God ha s promised to him and his descendents. It is promised that through Him all the nations of the world will be blest.2 Abraham was told to circumcise all the male members of his family as a sign of this Covenant.3 They key covenant of the Torah, however is the one God made with Israel on Mt. Sinai. This Sinai event forms the basis of later depictions of the establishment of the Greater Covenant that God makes with all mankind. While Israel was encamped here in front of the mountain, Moses went up the mountain to God. Then the LORD called to him and said, Thus shall you say to the house of Jacob; tell the Israelites: You have seen for yourselves how I treated the Egyptians and how I bore you up on eagle wings and brought you here to myself. Therefore, if you hearken to my voice and keep my covenant, you shall be my special possession, dearer to me than all other people, though all the earth is mine. You shall be to me a kingdom of priests, a holy nation. That is what you must tell the Israelites. So Moses went and summoned the elders of the people. When he set before them all that the LORD had ordered him to tell them, the people all answered together, Everything the LORD has said, we will do. Then Moses brought back to the LORD the response of the people. 4 It is only after this response is received that Moses go back up the Mountain and the 10 Commandments are revealed. Three days letter this even takes place and is described with these words: On the morning of the third day there were peals of thunder and lightning, and a heavy cloud over the mountain, and a very loud trumpet blast, so that all the people in the camp trembled. But Moses led the people out of the camp to meet God, and they stationed
Re: Words and Meanings
Hi Tim,
Words have no meaning unless we understand them. In
my case, words in a language that I don't understand have no meaning for me, but
people as a generic term have meaning.
Best wishes
Mike
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From:
Tim Nolan
To: Baha'i Studies
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 2:31 AM
Subject: Words and Meanings
Dear Friends.
"words have no meaning, people have meanings."
I would appreciate it very much if someone could explain what this
means.
I think words do have meaning. Granted, that meaning may change
over generations, and may change within different contexts, but words do
have meaning.
For example, If I say:
"After walking for 5hours on a dusty road, on a hot summer day, I
felt thirsty."
You all know what I mean.right? So those words have
meaning.
If words have no meaning, what is the purpose of books or
newspapers?
If words have no meaning, why do we send email to one another?
If words have no meaning, what is the point of conversation?
And as for the statement "people have meaning", I can partially
understand that.
But I still think words have meaning. The fact that you can read
this email, and understand it, is evidence that words have meaning.
Can anyone help me see what this statement is getting at?
Thanks,
Tim Nolan
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Re: Unity and Truth
Consider that the worst of qualities and most odious of attributes, which is the foundation of all evil, is lying. No worse or more blameworthy quality than this can be imagined to exist; it is the destroyer of all human perfections, and the cause of innumerable vices. There is no worse characteristic than this; it is the foundation of all evils. Notwithstanding all this, if a doctor consoles a sick man by saying: Thank God you are better, and there is hope of your recovery, though these words are contrary to the truth, yet they may become the consolation of the patient and the turning-point of the illness. This is not blameworthy. (Abdu'l-Baha, Baha'i World Faith - Abdu'l-Baha Section, p. 321) - Original Message - From: Gilberto Simpson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Baha'i Studies bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 3:11 PM Subject: Re: Unity and Truth I'm trying to see if it is possible to come up with a formulation which is an accurate description of the Bahai attitude on this subject. -Gilberto The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto (e-mail) is sent by the Johnson County Community College (JCCC) and is intended to be confidential and for the use of only the individual or entity named above. The information may be protected by federal and state privacy and disclosures acts or other legal rules. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify JCCC by email reply and immediately and permanently delete this e-mail message and any attachments thereto. Thank you. __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Re: Fwd: delivering wives in Bible texts
Dear Gilberto,
I have often read your questions and the various answers by Baha'is. I find
that whatever answer you receive you are never satisfied and yet you still
enquire and persist. This denotes great perseverance and struggle. Please
tell me why you persist?
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Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 3:07 PM
Subject: Re: Fwd: delivering wives in Bible texts
On 7/13/06, Hasan Elias [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Gilberto, you wrote:
Could you specify how they [Bahai notions of the Manifestations being
divine
and human and Christian notions of Jesus being divine and human] are
actually different? Is there some specific element of Bahai teaching which
isn't found in Christianity? Or vice versa?
Hassan:
1) One of the fundamental teachings of the Bahá'í Faith is that God does
not
incarnate himself:
Know thou of a certainty that the Unseen can in no wise incarnate His
Essence and reveal it unto men. (*)
{other similar quotes deleted}
From my side, there is also a whole larger picture. It's not like the
above verse is the only thing which the Bahai faith has to say on the
subject.
There are passages like the above in the Bahai writings which you can
use if you are explaining the issue to a Muslim.
But if a Bahai were talking to a Christian they could quote Shoghi
Effendi's statement that the sonship and divinity of Jesus is to be
fearlessly asserted.
And if they were talking to a Hindu, they say that a Manifestation is
the same as an Avatar (which actually does suggest incarnation).
http://www.h-net.org/~bahai/bhpapers/vol5/indiabf.htm
It's like the Bahais really follow Paul's teaching of trying to be all
things to all people.
If a Bahai speaks one-on-one with a person of a specific religion it
is possible to use selective parts of the writings to radically
emphasize similarities. But if one tries to look at the big picture
of what is taught, it seems to be contradictory.
This is a part of what makes me think that the Bahais value unity more
than truth. Its as if the important thing is to bring people together
under the Administrative Order by saying what they want to hear.
(*) Gleanings 20. The concept of incarnation (ulúl) has been decidedly
rejected by Bahá'u'lláh (see also Kitáb-i-Íqán 104 (p. 98)).
But if it has been so decidedly rejected, why would Bahais in India
present Bahaullah as an Avatar?
-Gilberto
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Re: Muhammad and His return to Mecca
Here is a reference:
Meccans, polytheists till late, such as
Abu-Sufyan,the Umayyad, and his sons, and Suhayl Ibn 'Amr and Hakim Ibn Hizam,
had received so much of the bounty of the Prophet that some of the young men
among the Medinites showed discontent. Muhammad had to speak to them to pacify
them. Once all the dispositions had been made, Muhammad returned to Mecca,
performed the minor pilgrimage, entrusted the administration of Mecca to a young
man of the House of Umayyah, named 'Attab, and left Mu'adh Ibn Jabal with him to
teach the people the practices of Islam. Then He departed for
Medina.
(H.M. Balyuzi, Muhammad and the Course of
Islam, p. 140)
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Elias
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Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 4:15
PM
Subject: Muhammad and His return to
Mecca
Hi
scholars, as a bahá'í, I would like to understand the
context of Muhammad's return to Mecca.
Can
someone explain what's the bahá'í view of the return of Muhammad to
Mecca?
It is
said that the Jihad is only to defense, and historians (no-believers)
canargue that Muhammad was only a big merchant and He want the hegemony
of the trade in the region, so He returned to
Mecca to
fight and get this aim.
Thanks,
Hasan
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Re: Authorship of the Gospels
David I have a problem with your reference: (From a previously untranslated Tablet). Has it now been authenticated? If it has, then I can believe it and there is no doubt it is the truth. Best wishes Mike - Original Message - From: David Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Baha'i Studies bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 11:14 AM Subject: Authorship of the Gospels Baha'u'llah wrote: The Four Gospels were written after Him [Christ]. John, Luke, Mark and Matthew - these four wrote after Christ what they remembered of His utterances. (From a previously untranslated Tablet) This passage seems to say that all four of the Gospel writers were disciples and that the common attributions of authorship are correct. The Gospels were written by disciples based on their memory of what Jesus said. I have long assumed that though Baha'u'llah said this He didn't really mean it, but I have no proof of that. I have to imagine there are others here who don't believe that the Gospels were written by disciples. So I'm interested to know how people deal with this passage. I'm not sure why Baha'u'llah would say this if He didn't believe it. It appears to be something He said in response to a question. I certainly have difficulty seeing the Gospels as penned by disciples based on their recollections. My view on the dating of the Gospels would make it unlikely that they were still alive. Also, it's difficult to believe that the Gospels are entirely based on their memories of what Jesus said given the propensity of the Gospel writers to make what appear to be intentional editorial changes. Matthew usually changes 'kingdom of God' to 'kingdom of heaven,' and I don't think that was because Matthew's memory was off. The only other statement regarding authorship is by 'Abdu'l-Baha: Know ye that the Torah is that which was revealed in the Tablets to Moses, may peace be upon Him, or that to which He was bidden. But the stories are historical narratives and were written after Moses, may peace be upon Him. (From a previously untranslated Tablet) His indication that Moses Himself didn't write the Pentateuch seems reasonable to me. Regards, David The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto (e-mail) is sent by the Johnson County Community College (JCCC) and is intended to be confidential and for the use of only the individual or entity named above. The information may be protected by federal and state privacy and disclosures acts or other legal rules. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify JCCC by email reply and immediately and permanently delete this e-mail message and any attachments thereto. Thank you. The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto (e-mail) is sent by the Johnson County Community College (JCCC) and is intended to be confidential and for the use of only the individual or entity named above. The information may be protected by federal and state privacy and disclosures acts or other legal rules. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify JCCC by email reply and immediately and permanently delete this e-mail message and any attachments thereto. Thank you. _ Read the latest Hollywood gossip @ http://xtramsn.co.nz/entertainment __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public
Re: Is there free will in the next world?
Agreed, to turn towards the sun promotes the growth of the plant. We have freewill and can align that will to God's will freely. The plant is not free. It still means to me that our freewill is important in both this world and the next? - Original Message - From: Simeon Leslie Kohlman Rabbani [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Baha'i Studies bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 8:10 PM Subject: RES: Is there free will in the next world? A plant grows towards the sun. If it chooses of its free will to turn away from the sun, it is only limiting itself. In other words, to align one's will with the Will of God is freeing, not limiting. Simeon Kohlman Rabbani -Mensagem original- De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Em nome de Richard H. Gravelly Enviada em: terça-feira, 6 de junho de 2006 15:04 Para: Baha'i Studies Assunto: Re: Is there free will in the next world? I would say that it is limited because it is exercised by a being that is subject to limitations. Richard. - Original Message - From: Simeon Kohlman Rabbani [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Baha'i Studies bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 10:39 AM Subject: Re: Is there free will in the next world? We are told that it is a greater world and in fact the real world so how can it be lesser or limited compared with this world? Hmm... maybe free will is actually a limitation, then? Peace, Simeon The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto (e-mail) is sent by the Johnson County Community College (JCCC) and is intended to be confidential and for the use of only the individual or entity named above. The information may be protected by federal and state privacy and disclosures acts or other legal rules. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify JCCC by email reply and immediately and permanently delete this e-mail message and any attachments thereto. Thank you. __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Re: Is there free will in the next world?
Interesting comment! I acknowledge that thought and realise my own limitations. Freewill seems so precious in this world that its difficult to imagine anything greater. Peace, Mike - Original Message - From: Simeon Kohlman Rabbani [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Baha'i Studies bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 6:39 PM Subject: Re: Is there free will in the next world? We are told that it is a greater world and in fact the real world so how can it be lesser or limited compared with this world? Hmm... maybe free will is actually a limitation, then? Peace, Simeon The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto (e-mail) is sent by the Johnson County Community College (JCCC) and is intended to be confidential and for the use of only the individual or entity named above. The information may be protected by federal and state privacy and disclosures acts or other legal rules. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify JCCC by email reply and immediately and permanently delete this e-mail message and any attachments thereto. Thank you. __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Re: question about Islam
They that are endued with sincerity and faithfulness should associate with all the peoples and kindreds of the earth with joy and radiance, inasmuch as consorting with people hath promoted and will continue to promote unity and concord, which in turn are conducive to the maintenance of order in the world and to the regeneration of nations. Blessed are such as hold fast to the cord of kindliness and tender mercy and are free from animosity and hatred. (Tablets of Bahá'u'lláh Revealed after the Kitáb-i-Aqdas, p. 36)[42] (Compilations, Unlocking the Power of Action) - Original Message - From: Gilberto Simpson list.jccc.edu The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto (e-mail) is sent by the Johnson County Community College (JCCC) and is intended to be confidential and for the use of only the individual or entity named above. The information may be protected by federal and state privacy and disclosures acts or other legal rules. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify JCCC by email reply and immediately and permanently delete this e-mail message and any attachments thereto. Thank you. __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Re: Fwd: Interesting thread
This is precisely why Baha'u'llah has come - to remove those elements which cause confusion. - Original Message - From: Max Jasper [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Baha'i Studies bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 8:06 PM Subject: RE: Fwd: Interesting thread Such orders are present in many Holy Books of God, including Qur'an, and the *context* in which such instructions were given usually warrant God's reason for order them. | |I agree. I wasn't refering to the cases of fire and brimstone |raining down on folks from heaven or heavenly plagues. I was |talking about those cases where according to the Bible, God |commands the children of Israel to wipe out entire |populations, men, women, children, infants, livestock. |Everything that has breath. Just read the book of Joshua for example. The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto (e-mail) is sent by the Johnson County Community College (JCCC) and is intended to be confidential and for the use of only the individual or entity named above. The information may be protected by federal and state privacy and disclosures acts or other legal rules. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify JCCC by email reply and immediately and permanently delete this e-mail message and any attachments thereto. Thank you. The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto (e-mail) is sent by the Johnson County Community College (JCCC) and is intended to be confidential and for the use of only the individual or entity named above. The information may be protected by federal and state privacy and disclosures acts or other legal rules. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify JCCC by email reply and immediately and permanently delete this e-mail message and any attachments thereto. Thank you. __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Re: The Greatest Name
World unity is encouraged by the use of Allah'u'Abha - it is easily used by every country, community and individual. This is apart from its mysteries. Mike www.bci.org/brighton-hove/ - Original Message - From: Khazeh Fananapazir To: Baha'i Studies Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 7:44 AM Subject: Re: The Greatest Name The use of terms like AllahuAbha was already prevalent in the western Baha'i community when the Guardian was asked this question. I expect it was asking which form of the Greatest Name we were supposed to recite (i.e. AllahuAbha or Ya Baháulláh.) I doubt very seriously if anyone thought of the English equivalent being the Greatest Name..There was already a mystique surrounding it. Susan O.K. I understand that. But none of that addresses my question, which is: Why did the Guardian ask us to say "AllahuAbha" and not translate it into other languages? Why is it better to say "AllahuAbha" instead of "God is Most Glorious"? Tim Nolan Dearest all AllahuAbha Tim Nolans question is valid. Tim is asking a thought provoking question. I admire his question. It gives one an opportunity to think and reflect on spiritual significance of Baha. That is why partly I made a point that in the original Arabic Bible and the passages in the revelation of John the Word was Bahaullah [and not Majdullah] for the Glory of God. Baha has a power on its own. In the Tablets of the Divine Plan the unerring Master says that the Brazilian town Bahia was named by an inspiration of the Holy Spirit! **Visit ye especially the city of Bahia, on the eastern shore of Brazil. Because in the past years this city was christened with the name, BAHIA, there is no doubt that it has been through the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. (`Abdu'l-Baha: Tablets of the Divine Plan, Page: 104) In other words the Holy Spirit with all Its implications inspired Bahia the tri-literal B H A Some of these things are a mystery In fact in the East they asked the Master why should the Greatest Name not be AllahuAkbar in this Day but AllahuAbha And there is a beautiful Tablet and Explanation in this regard Remember even the vibrations of a sound in air nay well have dearest Tim spiritual consequences Two thousand years ago the vibrations of Christs Voice were vibrating but we can hear them He said Abba Mar 14:36 And he said, Abba, Father, all things are possible unto thee; take away this cup from me: nevertheless not what I will, but what thou wilt. Rom 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. Gal 4:6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father. He said Tabitha cumi Mar 5:41 And he took the damsel by the hand, and said unto her, Talitha cumi; which is, being interpreted, Damsel, I say unto thee, arise. He said Eloi Eloi Lama Sabachthani Mar 15:34 And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? These have been kept for all eternity His Abba has echoes with the Tablet to the Christians wherein the Supreme Revealer says The Abba has come ***The voice of the Son of Man is calling aloud from the sacred vale: `Here am I, here am I, O God my God!' ... whilst from the Burning Bush breaketh forth the cry: `Lo, the Desire of the world is made manifest in His transcendent glory!' The Father [al-Ab] hath come That which ye were promised in the Kingdom of God is fulfilled. This is the Word which the Son veiled when He said to those around Him that at that time they could not bear it... Verily the Spirit of Truth is come to guide you unto all truth... He is the One Who glorified the Son and exalted His Cause..." "The Comforter Whose advent all the scriptures have promised is now come that He may reveal unto you all knowledge and wisdom. Seek Him over the entire surface of the earth, haply ye may find Him." Baha'u'llah, Pages: 104-105) We have we do have mysteries and some of these mysteries have not been approached with that sense of mystery ***Its world-unifying principles these impotent enemies of a steadily-rising Faith have time and again denounced as fundamentally defective, have pronounced its all-embracing program as utterly fantastic, and regarded its vision of the future as chimerical and positively deceitful. The fundamental verities that constitute its doctrine its
Re: Peter Abelard vs St. Bernard
This is a beautiful concept - surely truth is relative and not absolute. According not only to our individual capacities and potential but also to 'progressive revelation'. thank you Khazeh for your wonderful references. - Original Message - From: Dean Betts [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Baha'i Studies bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2005 8:39 AM Subject: Re: Peter Abelard vs St. Bernard ALL Bahais, no matter what side of the argument they are on, will say they believe in the independent investigation of truth but then the difference will be what they mean by the phrase. That much is true. But there are some Baha'is who take the position that the independent search for truth ends once you become a Baha'i. The independent search for truth should end once you find the truth. If it doesn't end there, then you haven't found the truth. The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto (e-mail) is sent by the Johnson County Community College (JCCC) and is intended to be confidential and for the use of only the individual or entity named above. The information may be protected by federal and state privacy and disclosures acts or other legal rules. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify JCCC by email reply and immediately and permanently delete this e-mail message and any attachments thereto. Thank you. __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
RE: She-Camel (An-Naghah)
The stories of Hud and Salih are somewhat similar to the story of Noah, the
flood and the Ark. They are all symbolic. In the Bahá'í Writings we find
explained the significance of such terms as Noah's Ark, the flood, the she-camel
and other incidents. For example, 'Abdu'l-Bahá in a Tablet(3) explains that the
she-camel was symbolic of the holy spirit of Salih, and the milk was symbolic of
the spiritual food which his spirit offered to the people. The significance of
the she-camel being hamstrung is the suffering inflicted by the wicked people on
that holy soul, Salih. The spring of water which the people denied to the
she-camel signifies life on this earth. The people were so attached to earthly
things that they could not recognize the gifts of God to them, and so they rose
up in opposition to Salih, and when he departed from their midst they became
deprived of his spiritual influence. His absence was the calamity which caused
them to be deprived of the bounties of God and consequently they perished
spiritually. There is a chapter in the Qur'án known as the Surah of Hud. It
tells the story of all the Prophets including Hud and Salih. It describes how
they were all denied, opposed and persecuted by their own people. Bahá'u'lláh
refers to this in the Kitáb-i-Íqán:
(Adib Taherzadeh, The Revelation of Baha'u'llah v 4, p. 427)
I found this in "Ocean"
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Dear friends,
Baháulláh refers to the She-Camel (An-Naghah in Arabic) in the Epistle of
the Son of the Wolf as its station being exalted in reference to same in the
Holy Qurán. I was told that the story is presented in the Qurán as related to
the Prophet Saaleh. Anyone have any info or a reference that they could
suggest.
Thanks.
Fariborz
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RE: puzzled by Jim
Dear all, I am glad that Jim has apologised to Susan! The patience and understanding shown by her is commendable. I note that the group becomes very active when something confusing comes up so it is positive in an ironic way. I suppose this helps us all to stop and think about how we interact with others or sometimes just ignore contraversial issues. Its a fine balance to achieve moderation and observe love to all. Thanks to this group I am learning more each day. Love to all Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jim Habegger Sent: 29 May 2005 12:51 To: Baha'i Studies Subject: RE: puzzled by Jim Susan, I'm sorry I trouble you so much. This climber says with some dismay, I must leave this mountain for another day. __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 267.2.0 - Release Date: 27/05/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 267.2.0 - Release Date: 27/05/2005 __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
RE: Common Faith
hello Iskandar, here in the UK I have managed to order a copy from http://www.bahai-publishing-trust.co.uk/acatalog/New_releases___April.html Price £5 regards mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Iskandar Hai Sent: 03 May 2005 16:02 To: Baha'i Studies Subject: RE: Common Faith Quoting Iskandar Hai [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I was trying to see if I could download it from the World Centre's International Library but I couldn't find it there. Does anyone know how to get a digital electronic copy of this document? I couldn't find it on the bahai.org website yesterday. http://www.bahai.org/dir/sites but the hyperlink to the International Baha'i Library didn't work for me yesterday. Loving regards, Iskandar --- This is the ftp site, but One Common Faith is not in it yet. http://library.bahai.org/serv/ftpc.html Regards, Iskandar Quoting Steve Cooney [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Yes, There is a Baha'i World Centre edition on heavy antique style paper in a dark green, copies of which went out at Naw-Ruz to the NSA's and Counsellors. There is an inexpensive Indian edition (US 2.50 or 3.50) which can be ordered via credit card if required, which was announced just prior to Ridvan through Bahi newsgroups. Recently the UK Publishing Triust advertised the Haifa version http://www.bahai-publishing-trust.co.uk/acatalog/New_releases___April.html It's a slim volume though. Cheers, Steve Cooney. http://www.bci.org/kapiticoastbahai/collateral/bookindex.htm -Original Message- From: Dean Betts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 3 May 2005 7:33 p.m. To: Baha'i Studies Subject: Re: Common Faith Is this document available in print? __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.2 - Release Date: 02/05/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.2 - Release Date: 02/05/2005 __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Re: No Personal Opinions in Ruhi
Unity in diversity does not imply uniformity! Why is there so much objection to a methodical system being introduced? Harmony of thought also does not negate the independent search for truth. The study circle brings together a variety of people with a variety of opinions in a harmonious, welcoming atmosphere of learning (IMO). Of course there are widely differing experiences but isn't this true of life in general? The objections I see seem to be actuated by prejudice and an unwillingness to participate. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Baha'i Studies [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 1:53 PM Subject: Re: No Personal Opinions in Ruhi In a message dated 12/10/2004 7:04:01 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: unity of thought refers to keeping one's mind and heart centered on Baha'u'llah and `Abdu'l-Baha, i.e., the Covenant. It has nothing directly to do with the fundamentalist indoctrination process used by Ruhi. Dear Mark, This is how the term is used by Abdu'l-Baha in the Seven Candles of Unity: The second candle is unity of thought in world undertakings, the consummation of which will erelong be witnessed That's seems to refer more to the UN reaching a consensus than Baha'is being on the same page even about the Covenant. I just went back and looked at Baha'u'llah's Tablet of Unity. The phrase doesn't even occur there. warmest, Susan __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, use subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Web - http://list.jccc.edu/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.809 / Virus Database: 551 - Release Date: 09/12/2004 __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com To unsubscribe, send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, use subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Web - http://list.jccc.edu/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Re: Ruhi, Prolonged Discussions
That is not true! One cannot fail to meditate on the writings after going through the sequence. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Baha'i Studies [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 5:41 PM Subject: Re: Ruhi, Prolonged Discussions In a message dated 12/10/2004 6:55:37 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The question I would ask is how does thinking about the implications of the Writings differ from personal interpretation? Seems to be the same question I asked myself, and the conclusion I drew was that the Ruhi editors opinion (personal interpretation) is supposed to supersede what the Writings say about reading the revelations and meditating upon them. Reading the text and meditating on the text is what the writings TELL us to do. Yet the Ruhi editors seem to think otherwise. Regards, Scott __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, use subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Web - http://list.jccc.edu/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.809 / Virus Database: 551 - Release Date: 09/12/2004 __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com To unsubscribe, send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, use subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Web - http://list.jccc.edu/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Re: FW: To Brent: one point
Surely the 'Ruhi method' does not exclude other study? - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Baha'i Studies [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 8:00 PM Subject: Re: FW: To Brent: one point In a message dated 12/9/2004 1:53:44 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Please clarify which aspects of Ruhi you find analagous to aspects of fundamentalist Christian groups. I was once a fundamentalist Christian and about the only similarities that I have noticed between Ruhi and our Bible Study sessions would have to be the focus on studying the Word of God. It is called the Ruhi METHOD. If you have a method and ignore study that does not use the approved method. Then it is exactly analagous to fundamentalist techniques of the Christian sort since they rely upon their own methods. Becomeing canalized is what defines fundamentalism. Regards, Scott __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, use subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Web - http://list.jccc.edu/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.807 / Virus Database: 549 - Release Date: 07/12/2004 __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com To unsubscribe, send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, use subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Web - http://list.jccc.edu/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Re: Freedom of Religion
Dear Susan, Where in the Quoran does it say "kill the infidel wherever you find him". It doesn't come up in Ocean. Thanks Mike - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Baha'i Studies Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 6:27 AM Subject: Re: Freedom of Religion In a message dated 6/15/2004 9:44:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Does this mean that some Muslims believe that human understandingis more authoritative than the Qur'an? If they believe that any verse of theQur'an can be abrogated because of worldly circumstance, then they believethat all verses of the Qur'an are subject to abrogation, based on human interpretation.Dear Tim, That is certainly not what they would say they were doing. What they do is take the verse "kill the infidel wherever you find him" which was revealed later, as abrogating "let there be no compulsion in religion." But let me stress, only some Muslims do this. warmest, Susan __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, use subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Web - http://list.jccc.edu/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, use subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Web - http://list.jccc.edu/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
