Re: to say the truth (in spanish, :) )
Thanks for answer, if this armed man says that he will kill everyone who is bahá'í? We accept this as martyrdom? Could this be martyrdom or foolishness? Dear Hasan, If such a person were to ask me where the Baha'is were, I would not tell him and I might even give some false information (presuming it would not endanger non-Baha'is.) If he were to ask me if I were a Baha'i I might waffle a bit (as I did in a job interview once, since this is an illegal question) but I would suffer martyrdom before I deny it (at least I hope I would.) warmest, Susan The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto (e-mail) is sent by the Johnson County Community College (JCCC) and is intended to be confidential and for the use of only the individual or entity named above. The information may be protected by federal and state privacy and disclosures acts or other legal rules. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify JCCC by email reply and immediately and permanently delete this e-mail message and any attachments thereto. Thank you. __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Re: to say the truth (in spanish, :) )
on 2/25/07 6:04 AM, Hasan Elias at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for answer, if this armed man says that he will kill everyone who is bahá¹í? We accept this as martyrdom? Could this be martyrdom or foolishness? While we are not required to necessarily proclaim that we are Baha'is, dissimulation, denying we are Baha'is or claiming to be some other religion, is prohibited. It can and has resulted in loss of administrative rights. Don C -- He who believes himself spiritual proves he is not. The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto (e-mail) is sent by the Johnson County Community College (JCCC) and is intended to be confidential and for the use of only the individual or entity named above. The information may be protected by federal and state privacy and disclosures acts or other legal rules. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify JCCC by email reply and immediately and permanently delete this e-mail message and any attachments thereto. Thank you. __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Re: to say the truth (in spanish, :) )
LOL Husayn. Susan, please could you explain if the use of hikmat allows to lie in some instances? (I'm not talking about confessions) Thanks HUSA [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: jajaja, ok bueno, pienso que algunas veces es dificil decir la verdad, esto no quiere decir que mentir sea permitido. algunas veces la catidad es dificil, pero esto no quiere decir que podamos romper la ley por tal razon. pero esto no significa que los bahais debamos confesar siempre todo lo que sabemos, o lo que pensamos; por otro lado, tenemos el Hikmat, un bahai debe ejercitar no solo la veracidad, sino tb la cortesia, la prudencia y la moderacion, por otro lado, como dice Suan, no todo en esta vida es blanco o negro. :P saludos, husa PD, Hasan, a lo mejor alguien nos dice que en espaniol no debemos escribir, ...discriminacion idiomatica!!! The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto (e-mail) is sent by the Johnson County Community College (JCCC) and is intended to be confidential and for the use of only the individual or entity named above. The information may be protected by federal and state privacy and disclosures acts or other legal rules. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify JCCC by email reply and immediately and permanently delete this e-mail message and any attachments thereto. Thank you. http://husaynvillar.blogspot.com/ http://husayntraduce.blogspot.com/ __ Correo Yahoo! Espacio para todos tus mensajes, antivirus y antispam ¡gratis! Regístrate ya - http://correo.espanol.yahoo.com/ __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu http://hasaneliasperu.blogspot.com/ __ Correo Yahoo! Espacio para todos tus mensajes, antivirus y antispam ¡gratis! Regístrate ya - http://correo.espanol.yahoo.com/ __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Re: to say the truth (in spanish, :) )
Susan, please could you explain if the use of hikmat allows to lie in some instances? (I'm not talking about confessions) Dear Hasan, I know that Baha'is *did* use it as an excuse to lie on occasion. Whether that was right, I'm not prepared to say. The only instance I know of where Abdu'l-Baha Himself stated that a lie was justifiable was if a doctor lied to raise the spirit of their patient. But if a bunch of armed gunmen came to your house demanding to know where you your daughters were, I think you would be justified in telling a lie. When the welfare and lives of human beings are at stake, I think lies are justified in most cases. There are other cases where we sacrifice our very lives for the truth. Still, I don't think it would be accurate to say that a Baha'i cannot always tell the truth. For most of us choices like the above never come up. warmest, Susan The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto (e-mail) is sent by the Johnson County Community College (JCCC) and is intended to be confidential and for the use of only the individual or entity named above. The information may be protected by federal and state privacy and disclosures acts or other legal rules. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify JCCC by email reply and immediately and permanently delete this e-mail message and any attachments thereto. Thank you. __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
