what is a vision? was Re: Resurrection of Christ

2006-10-13 Thread Tim Nolan






Hi Gilberto,     >So what happened when someone says they "saw a vision"? Is it aGod-induced hallucination only visible to one person? Is it anappearance visible to many people? <     I don't think it's necessary or useful for others to attempt to define what really happened when someone says they had a vision, unless the vision-seer tries to use that to affect other peoples lives.  Aside from that, I  think it's fruitless to try to define what another person's vision "really was".  Even the person who had the vision may not be sure.     On the other hand, if a person who had a vision uses that to tell other people what to do, then I would want evidence that the visionary's message was good and true.        >What about these resurrectionexperiences? Physical?     Shoghi Effendi said the
 stories about Christ's resurrection are symbolic; the resurrection was spiritual, not material.     Tim Nolan 
	
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Re: what is a vision? was Re: Resurrection of Christ

2006-10-13 Thread smaneck
> So what happened when someone says they "saw a vision"? Is it a
> God-induced hallucination only visible to one person? Is it an
> appearance visible to many people? What about these resurrection
> experiences? Physical?

Dear Gilberto, 

I'm suggesting we don't really know. When Muhammad saw Jabreel was 
anyone else up there on the mountain to witness it? 

warmest, Susan 


 
 
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what is a vision? was Re: Resurrection of Christ

2006-10-13 Thread Gilberto Simpson

So what happened when someone says they "saw a vision"? Is it a
God-induced hallucination only visible to one person? Is it an
appearance visible to many people? What about these resurrection
experiences? Physical?

-G


On 10/12/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

If we are talking about a vision, I'm not sure what physical versus
spiritual means. Visions are not physical to begin with. But there is
a long tradition both in the gnostic texts and in the orthodox canon
of Jesus appearing after the crucifixtion as a being of light. In
fact, He apparently was appearing to early Christians so frequently
that Luke felt he had to put a lid on it by saying that Jesus ascended
after thirty days (and therefore these appearances should stop.)

warmest, Susan




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