[BangPypers] Minutes of Saturday BangPypers meeting (11/Oct)
X-posting to inpycon since the meeting was mostly PyCon related. Hello everyone, This are the rough minutes of the meeting at ThoughtWorks on 11/Oct Apart from the technical tidbits, we mostly discussed the conference and related matters. Items discussed - Send a mail using the site bulkmailer on the site with the following items to all the delegates. - Video URL - Scipy.in - Gratitude - Plans ahead and mailing lists to join to stay uptodate. - Send out consolidated expense statement of the conference to the mailing list - Register society with boiler plate agreement - We got some feedback from Sriram of TW regarding the conference which I'm putting down here. - Computer and speaker were far away and that sucked. Photo of the podium to be sent up front so that they know what to expect. - Make of the projector to be told to delegates so that people can be prepared so that it works. - Food distribution was disorganised. - Professional recording/Volunteer recording (Baiju) - Suggested the way debconf events are organised and how they're recorded by volunteers rather than professionals. - Split the video DVDs to attendees so that they can be uploaded (please send me a private mail for the username/password of the blip account) - Video quality is bad so we'll have to get them remastered by the A/V people. That's it. Thanks. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Perl or Python ?
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Noufal Ibrahim nou...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 9:42 AM, Anand Balachandran Pillai abpil...@gmail.com wrote: [..] The fact is that real good hackers don't care about the language they use, but in the quality of the code they write in that language. [..] A good hacker given a choice of languages would select one of them for his use. I don't think they're language agnostic. In fact, they're probably more rabid about their choice of languages than your average code monkey. I was having someone like Bruce Perens in mind when I posted it. And anyway all good Python hackers are good C programmers too since most of them contribute to the underlying implementation which is in C. I have observed that language fanaticism is not seen very much in the Python world. Experienced Pythonistas seem to be better language cosmopolitans. This is not meant as a troll or flame, but something which I have felt in many years of working with Python and the community. I do get your point though that a hackers code would be good regardless of what language he wrote it in. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers -- --Anand ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Minutes of Saturday BangPypers meeting (11/Oct)
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Noufal Ibrahim nou...@gmail.com wrote: X-posting to inpycon since the meeting was mostly PyCon related. Hello everyone, This are the rough minutes of the meeting at ThoughtWorks on 11/Oct Forgot one more more point which is to schedule a regular BangPypers meeting the third weekend of every month. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Perl or Python ?
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 11:56 AM, Anand Balachandran Pillai abpil...@gmail.com wrote: I have observed that language fanaticism is not seen very much in the Python world. Experienced Pythonistas seem to be better language cosmopolitans. This is not meant as a troll or flame, but something which I have felt in many years of working with Python and the community. This is what I read about the Perl community too. The claim was that the language didn't crop up in the news so often because Perl hackers are quite open to using other languages if required, and there was no active effort to promote/push Perl. Roshan Mathews ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Perl or Python ?
This is one the few examples of a high profile Perl Project that I am aware of. http://syncwith.us/ US number: +1 650-862-5992 Indian Number:+919945111824 On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:04 PM, Roshan Mathews rmath...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 11:56 AM, Anand Balachandran Pillai abpil...@gmail.com wrote: I have observed that language fanaticism is not seen very much in the Python world. Experienced Pythonistas seem to be better language cosmopolitans. This is not meant as a troll or flame, but something which I have felt in many years of working with Python and the community. This is what I read about the Perl community too. The claim was that the language didn't crop up in the news so often because Perl hackers are quite open to using other languages if required, and there was no active effort to promote/push Perl. Roshan Mathews ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Perl or Python ?
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:23 PM, Zaki Manian z...@manian.org wrote: This is one the few examples of a high profile Perl Project that I am aware of. http://syncwith.us/ Large projects written in Perl include Slash, Bugzilla, RT, TWiki, and Movable Type. Many high-traffic websites use Perl extensively. Examples include Amazon.com, bbc.co.uk, Booking.com [23] (Priceline.com), Craigslist, IMDb [24], LiveJournal, Slashdot, Ticketmaster and Zappos.com. -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perl If you're asking that is. Roshan Mathews ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Perl or Python ?
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Roshan Mathews rmath...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:23 PM, Zaki Manian z...@manian.org wrote: This is one the few examples of a high profile Perl Project that I am aware of. http://syncwith.us/ Large projects written in Perl include Slash, Bugzilla, RT, TWiki, and Movable Type. Many high-traffic websites use Perl extensively. Examples include Amazon.com, bbc.co.uk, Booking.com [23] (Priceline.com), Craigslist, IMDb [24], LiveJournal, Slashdot, Ticketmaster and Zappos.com. Koha (http://www.koha.org) is great web application written in Perl. Regards, Baiju M ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Perl or Python ?
On Wednesday 14 Oct 2009 1:03:28 pm Baiju M wrote: On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Roshan Mathews rmath...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:23 PM, Zaki Manian z...@manian.org wrote: This is one the few examples of a high profile Perl Project that I am aware of. http://syncwith.us/ Large projects written in Perl include Slash, Bugzilla, RT, TWiki, and Movable Type. Many high-traffic websites use Perl extensively. Examples include Amazon.com, bbc.co.uk, Booking.com [23] (Priceline.com), Craigslist, IMDb [24], LiveJournal, Slashdot, Ticketmaster and Zappos.com. Koha (http://www.koha.org) is great web application written in Perl. the last? great web application written in perl? It was written in 1999-2000 when perl ruled the roost. Seriously I was a perl guy from 1995 to 2003. It was great for one man projects, but not so great for collaborative projects. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Project Officer NRC-FOSS http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Perl or Python ?
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 1:03 PM, Baiju M mba...@zeomega.com wrote: Koha (http://www.koha.org) is great web application written in Perl. Looks interesting. It's weird since someone just asked for library management software on the Chennai LUG list. Roshan Mathews ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Perl or Python ?
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 1:08 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@au-kbc.org wrote: the last? great web application written in perl? It was written in 1999-2000 when perl ruled the roost. Seriously I was a perl guy from 1995 to 2003. It was great for one man projects, but not so great for collaborative projects. Oh, cool. Maybe you should talk on Perl, at one of the ChennaiPy meets when the PyCon discussions are over. If you are interested, and there are others who would want to attend one. Roshan Mathews ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Perl or Python ?
On Wednesday 14 Oct 2009 1:49:24 pm Roshan Mathews wrote: On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 1:08 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@au-kbc.org wrote: the last? great web application written in perl? It was written in 1999-2000 when perl ruled the roost. Seriously I was a perl guy from 1995 to 2003. It was great for one man projects, but not so great for collaborative projects. Oh, cool. Maybe you should talk on Perl, at one of the ChennaiPy meets when the PyCon discussions are over. If you are interested, and there are others who would want to attend one. ouch - I LOVE perl, and the further away I am from it, the more I love it. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Project Officer NRC-FOSS http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Perl or Python ?
On Wednesday 14 Oct 2009 1:49:24 pm Roshan Mathews wrote: On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 1:08 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@au-kbc.org wrote: the last? great web application written in perl? It was written in 1999-2000 when perl ruled the roost. Seriously I was a perl guy from 1995 to 2003. It was great for one man projects, but not so great for collaborative projects. Oh, cool. Maybe you should talk on Perl, at one of the ChennaiPy meets when the PyCon discussions are over. If you are interested, and there are others who would want to attend one. ouch - I LOVE perl, and the further away I am from it, the more I love it. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Project Officer NRC-FOSS http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Perl or Python ?
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 1:20 PM, Roshan Mathews rmath...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 1:03 PM, Baiju M mba...@zeomega.com wrote: Koha (http://www.koha.org) is great web application written in Perl. Looks interesting. It's weird since someone just asked for library management software on the Chennai LUG list. Just FYI, there is a company in Bangalore which provide commercial hosting and support for Koha. They offer shared Koha instance for small libraries for Rs. 4000/- per year. http://www.osslabs.biz/ -Anand ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Perl or Python ?
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 1:03 PM, Baiju M mba...@zeomega.com wrote: Koha (http://www.koha.org) is great web application written in Perl. Long back I was a Koha consultant (2003-2004): http://www.kohadocs.org/CDS_ISIS_to_Koha.html Now I don't understand the Perl code I wrote there :) -- Baiju M ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Perl or Python ?
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 2:52 PM, Baiju M mba...@zeomega.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 1:03 PM, Baiju M mba...@zeomega.com wrote: Koha (http://www.koha.org) is great web application written in Perl. Long back I was a Koha consultant (2003-2004): http://www.kohadocs.org/CDS_ISIS_to_Koha.html Now I don't understand the Perl code I wrote there :) Someone should quote your post everytime they discuss language readability and Perl... -- Baiju M ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers -- --Anand ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Perl or Python ?
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 3:01 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai abpil...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 2:52 PM, Baiju M mba...@zeomega.com wrote: Now I don't understand the Perl code I wrote there :) Someone should quote your post everytime they discuss language readability and Perl... Generalizations are always harmful. Roshan Mathews ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Perl or Python ?
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 3:04 PM, Roshan Mathews rmath...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 3:01 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai abpil...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 2:52 PM, Baiju M mba...@zeomega.com wrote: Now I don't understand the Perl code I wrote there :) Someone should quote your post everytime they discuss language readability and Perl... Generalizations are always harmful. True but this specific statement resonates with my experiences with Perl here. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Perl or Python ?
On Wednesday 14 Oct 2009 3:04:10 pm Roshan Mathews wrote: On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 3:01 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai abpil...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 2:52 PM, Baiju M mba...@zeomega.com wrote: Now I don't understand the Perl code I wrote there :) Someone should quote your post everytime they discuss language readability and Perl... Generalizations are always harmful. including this one -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Project Officer NRC-FOSS http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Perl or Python ?
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 3:43 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@au-kbc.org wrote: On Wednesday 14 Oct 2009 3:04:10 pm Roshan Mathews wrote: On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 3:01 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai abpil...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 2:52 PM, Baiju M mba...@zeomega.com wrote: Now I don't understand the Perl code I wrote there :) Someone should quote your post everytime they discuss language readability and Perl... Generalizations are always harmful. including this one Yes, I was surprised no one caught that. :) The point still stands though. Roshan Mathews ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Perl or Python ?
On Wednesday 14 Oct 2009 3:52:05 pm Roshan Mathews wrote: Someone should quote your post everytime they discuss language readability and Perl... Generalizations are always harmful. including this one Yes, I was surprised no one caught that. :) The point still stands though. it doesn't - and you haven't even spelt it properly -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Project Officer NRC-FOSS http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Perl or Python ?
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@au-kbc.org wrote: On Wednesday 14 Oct 2009 3:52:05 pm Roshan Mathews wrote: The point still stands though. it doesn't - and you haven't even spelt it properly It might be a good idea to back away from the keyboard when you find that you have started twitching. What did I spell incorrectly? Roshan Mathews ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Perl or Python ?
On Wednesday 14 Oct 2009 4:12:00 pm Roshan Mathews wrote: On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@au-kbc.org wrote: On Wednesday 14 Oct 2009 3:52:05 pm Roshan Mathews wrote: The point still stands though. it doesn't - and you haven't even spelt it properly It might be a good idea to back away from the keyboard when you find that you have started twitching. What did I spell incorrectly? generalisation -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Project Officer NRC-FOSS http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Perl or Python ?
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 4:16 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@au-kbc.org wrote: On Wednesday 14 Oct 2009 4:12:00 pm Roshan Mathews wrote: On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@au-kbc.org wrote: On Wednesday 14 Oct 2009 3:52:05 pm Roshan Mathews wrote: The point still stands though. it doesn't - and you haven't even spelt it properly It might be a good idea to back away from the keyboard when you find that you have started twitching. What did I spell incorrectly? generalisation Depends on whether you are speaking American English or British! http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/generalization ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
