[BangPypers] Raising issue WRT Bangpypers mailing list
Hello Brian Jesse, I am an incognito member of the BangPypers mailing list. Reason for being incognito is simple, the people who run the list are very sensitive to criticism and react in a harsh and non-professional manner. I was looking to see, who I could raise this issue to, via the Python.org website, I saw Brian was the communications officer and Jesse is the Vice-Chairman of the PSF. This time, I write to you with links to the content of the emails, which can be found at https://mail.python.org/pipermail/bangpypers/2014-May/010156.html My replies are available here - http://pastebin.com/7kWWcMvF Both my emails were rejected with the response: Your message was deemed inappropriate by the moderator. Screenshot of replied from the moderator. http://www.anonimg.com/uploaded-510571c65c8efdb3970761d95f85f5a8.png.html At the risk of sounding like a 5 year old complaining about a bully hitting him in school, may I request you to kindly warn the moderators of the mailing list. I guess as member of the community, if I feel something is not right, I have the right to voice my opinion. A few months back Anand Pillai, a PSF member. https://mail.python.org/pipermail/bangpypers/2013-September/thread.html It would really help, if there is some intervention. I would have ideally written to the list owners, but I have real bad experience in dealing with them earlier. Regards Pratham ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Raising issue WRT Bangpypers mailing list
Just for context, here's the email where Danny says that he was not offended by the first email and didn't interpret it in the way that Pratham did https://mail.python.org/pipermail/bangpypers/2014-May/010161.html and my follow up reply saying that I didn't mean it that way either. https://mail.python.org/pipermail/bangpypers/2014-May/010163.html Also, I'm not managing or policing the list so please don't CC me directly in any replies. The list owner is mentioned on the listinfo page is probably the right person to contact for this kind of thing. On Thu, May 22 2014, Pratham Gadre wrote: Hello Brian Jesse, I am an incognito member of the BangPypers mailing list. Reason for being incognito is simple, the people who run the list are very sensitive to criticism and react in a harsh and non-professional manner. I was looking to see, who I could raise this issue to, via the Python.org website, I saw Brian was the communications officer and Jesse is the Vice-Chairman of the PSF. This time, I write to you with links to the content of the emails, which can be found at https://mail.python.org/pipermail/bangpypers/2014-May/010156.html My replies are available here - http://pastebin.com/7kWWcMvF Both my emails were rejected with the response: Your message was deemed inappropriate by the moderator. Screenshot of replied from the moderator. http://www.anonimg.com/uploaded-510571c65c8efdb3970761d95f85f5a8.png.html At the risk of sounding like a 5 year old complaining about a bully hitting him in school, may I request you to kindly warn the moderators of the mailing list. I guess as member of the community, if I feel something is not right, I have the right to voice my opinion. A few months back Anand Pillai, a PSF member. https://mail.python.org/pipermail/bangpypers/2013-September/thread.html It would really help, if there is some intervention. I would have ideally written to the list owners, but I have real bad experience in dealing with them earlier. Regards Pratham -- Cordially, Noufal http://nibrahim.net.in ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Raising issue WRT Bangpypers mailing list
At the risk of giving a non-issue more visibility, we’re being extremely silly here. I went through the emails here and I dont find anything offensive or sarcastic or twisted in any of the replies. I do however find 2 things odd though. - Senthil’s original reply of *I looked and found it* was kinda pointless. It was not required, and totally not helpful; Then again you tend to ignore noise from signal pretty fast if you’re on internet often. - There’s no reason why we’re moderating messages this aggressively. Voices of dissent, however bad it might be, need not be curtailed. On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 3:17 PM, Noufal Ibrahim KV nou...@nibrahim.net.inwrote: Just for context, here's the email where Danny says that he was not offended by the first email and didn't interpret it in the way that Pratham did https://mail.python.org/pipermail/bangpypers/2014-May/010161.html and my follow up reply saying that I didn't mean it that way either. https://mail.python.org/pipermail/bangpypers/2014-May/010163.html Also, I'm not managing or policing the list so please don't CC me directly in any replies. The list owner is mentioned on the listinfo page is probably the right person to contact for this kind of thing. On Thu, May 22 2014, Pratham Gadre wrote: Hello Brian Jesse, I am an incognito member of the BangPypers mailing list. Reason for being incognito is simple, the people who run the list are very sensitive to criticism and react in a harsh and non-professional manner. I was looking to see, who I could raise this issue to, via the Python.org website, I saw Brian was the communications officer and Jesse is the Vice-Chairman of the PSF. This time, I write to you with links to the content of the emails, which can be found at https://mail.python.org/pipermail/bangpypers/2014-May/010156.html My replies are available here - http://pastebin.com/7kWWcMvF Both my emails were rejected with the response: Your message was deemed inappropriate by the moderator. Screenshot of replied from the moderator. http://www.anonimg.com/uploaded-510571c65c8efdb3970761d95f85f5a8.png.html At the risk of sounding like a 5 year old complaining about a bully hitting him in school, may I request you to kindly warn the moderators of the mailing list. I guess as member of the community, if I feel something is not right, I have the right to voice my opinion. A few months back Anand Pillai, a PSF member. https://mail.python.org/pipermail/bangpypers/2013-September/thread.html It would really help, if there is some intervention. I would have ideally written to the list owners, but I have real bad experience in dealing with them earlier. Regards Pratham -- Cordially, Noufal http://nibrahim.net.in ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Raising issue WRT Bangpypers mailing list
Ha, I stand corrected. Senthil's reponse did contain everything the original poster wanted. Now I'm not sure what everyone's upset about. On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 3:45 PM, Jeffrey Jose jeffjosej...@gmail.comwrote: At the risk of giving a non-issue more visibility, we’re being extremely silly here. I went through the emails here and I dont find anything offensive or sarcastic or twisted in any of the replies. I do however find 2 things odd though. - Senthil’s original reply of *I looked and found it* was kinda pointless. It was not required, and totally not helpful; Then again you tend to ignore noise from signal pretty fast if you’re on internet often. - There’s no reason why we’re moderating messages this aggressively. Voices of dissent, however bad it might be, need not be curtailed. On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 3:17 PM, Noufal Ibrahim KV nou...@nibrahim.net.in wrote: Just for context, here's the email where Danny says that he was not offended by the first email and didn't interpret it in the way that Pratham did https://mail.python.org/pipermail/bangpypers/2014-May/010161.html and my follow up reply saying that I didn't mean it that way either. https://mail.python.org/pipermail/bangpypers/2014-May/010163.html Also, I'm not managing or policing the list so please don't CC me directly in any replies. The list owner is mentioned on the listinfo page is probably the right person to contact for this kind of thing. On Thu, May 22 2014, Pratham Gadre wrote: Hello Brian Jesse, I am an incognito member of the BangPypers mailing list. Reason for being incognito is simple, the people who run the list are very sensitive to criticism and react in a harsh and non-professional manner. I was looking to see, who I could raise this issue to, via the Python.org website, I saw Brian was the communications officer and Jesse is the Vice-Chairman of the PSF. This time, I write to you with links to the content of the emails, which can be found at https://mail.python.org/pipermail/bangpypers/2014-May/010156.html My replies are available here - http://pastebin.com/7kWWcMvF Both my emails were rejected with the response: Your message was deemed inappropriate by the moderator. Screenshot of replied from the moderator. http://www.anonimg.com/uploaded-510571c65c8efdb3970761d95f85f5a8.png.html At the risk of sounding like a 5 year old complaining about a bully hitting him in school, may I request you to kindly warn the moderators of the mailing list. I guess as member of the community, if I feel something is not right, I have the right to voice my opinion. A few months back Anand Pillai, a PSF member. https://mail.python.org/pipermail/bangpypers/2013-September/thread.html It would really help, if there is some intervention. I would have ideally written to the list owners, but I have real bad experience in dealing with them earlier. Regards Pratham -- Cordially, Noufal http://nibrahim.net.in ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Raising issue WRT Bangpypers mailing list
On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 3:30 PM, bangpypers-requ...@python.org wrote: Just for context, here's the email where Danny says that he was not offended by the first email and didn't interpret it in the way that Pratham did https://mail.python.org/pipermail/bangpypers/2014-May/010161.html and my follow up reply saying that I didn't mean it that way either. https://mail.python.org/pipermail/bangpypers/2014-May/010163.html I'm quite sad and astonished that Noufal even had to defend himself after helping the OP! Mr. Gadre your comments were rude, uncalled for, and make no sense in the context of this thread. Vijay ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Raising issue WRT Bangpypers mailing list
Let's just let this pass? I, for one, don't have the time or interest to handle these kinds of things. If any of the people want to discuss this on the list, please do but I don't really want to spend any of my time on it. -- Cordially, Noufal http://nibrahim.net.in ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Raising issue WRT Bangpypers mailing list
On May 22, 2014, at 8:14 AM, Noufal Ibrahim KV nou...@nibrahim.net.in wrote: Let's just let this pass? I, for one, don't have the time or interest to handle these kinds of things. If any of the people want to discuss this on the list, please do but I don't really want to spend any of my time on it. -- Cordially, Noufal http://nibrahim.net.in ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers Let's leave this. We had an earlier issue where people were offended and dissenters including me misinterpreted the sentiments intentions behind the original argument. The words said on mail can be read and interpreted differently by different people. But, just for the record, I didn't find any sarcasm in Noufal's reply. Regards, Palak Mathur ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
