Re: [BangPypers] Perl or Python ?
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Noufal Ibrahim nou...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 9:42 AM, Anand Balachandran Pillai abpil...@gmail.com wrote: [..] The fact is that real good hackers don't care about the language they use, but in the quality of the code they write in that language. [..] A good hacker given a choice of languages would select one of them for his use. I don't think they're language agnostic. In fact, they're probably more rabid about their choice of languages than your average code monkey. I was having someone like Bruce Perens in mind when I posted it. And anyway all good Python hackers are good C programmers too since most of them contribute to the underlying implementation which is in C. I have observed that language fanaticism is not seen very much in the Python world. Experienced Pythonistas seem to be better language cosmopolitans. This is not meant as a troll or flame, but something which I have felt in many years of working with Python and the community. I do get your point though that a hackers code would be good regardless of what language he wrote it in. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers -- --Anand ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Perl or Python ?
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 11:56 AM, Anand Balachandran Pillai abpil...@gmail.com wrote: I have observed that language fanaticism is not seen very much in the Python world. Experienced Pythonistas seem to be better language cosmopolitans. This is not meant as a troll or flame, but something which I have felt in many years of working with Python and the community. This is what I read about the Perl community too. The claim was that the language didn't crop up in the news so often because Perl hackers are quite open to using other languages if required, and there was no active effort to promote/push Perl. Roshan Mathews ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Perl or Python ?
This is one the few examples of a high profile Perl Project that I am aware of. http://syncwith.us/ US number: +1 650-862-5992 Indian Number:+919945111824 On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:04 PM, Roshan Mathews rmath...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 11:56 AM, Anand Balachandran Pillai abpil...@gmail.com wrote: I have observed that language fanaticism is not seen very much in the Python world. Experienced Pythonistas seem to be better language cosmopolitans. This is not meant as a troll or flame, but something which I have felt in many years of working with Python and the community. This is what I read about the Perl community too. The claim was that the language didn't crop up in the news so often because Perl hackers are quite open to using other languages if required, and there was no active effort to promote/push Perl. Roshan Mathews ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Perl or Python ?
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:23 PM, Zaki Manian z...@manian.org wrote: This is one the few examples of a high profile Perl Project that I am aware of. http://syncwith.us/ Large projects written in Perl include Slash, Bugzilla, RT, TWiki, and Movable Type. Many high-traffic websites use Perl extensively. Examples include Amazon.com, bbc.co.uk, Booking.com [23] (Priceline.com), Craigslist, IMDb [24], LiveJournal, Slashdot, Ticketmaster and Zappos.com. -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perl If you're asking that is. Roshan Mathews ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Perl or Python ?
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Roshan Mathews rmath...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:23 PM, Zaki Manian z...@manian.org wrote: This is one the few examples of a high profile Perl Project that I am aware of. http://syncwith.us/ Large projects written in Perl include Slash, Bugzilla, RT, TWiki, and Movable Type. Many high-traffic websites use Perl extensively. Examples include Amazon.com, bbc.co.uk, Booking.com [23] (Priceline.com), Craigslist, IMDb [24], LiveJournal, Slashdot, Ticketmaster and Zappos.com. Koha (http://www.koha.org) is great web application written in Perl. Regards, Baiju M ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Perl or Python ?
On Wednesday 14 Oct 2009 1:03:28 pm Baiju M wrote: On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Roshan Mathews rmath...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:23 PM, Zaki Manian z...@manian.org wrote: This is one the few examples of a high profile Perl Project that I am aware of. http://syncwith.us/ Large projects written in Perl include Slash, Bugzilla, RT, TWiki, and Movable Type. Many high-traffic websites use Perl extensively. Examples include Amazon.com, bbc.co.uk, Booking.com [23] (Priceline.com), Craigslist, IMDb [24], LiveJournal, Slashdot, Ticketmaster and Zappos.com. Koha (http://www.koha.org) is great web application written in Perl. the last? great web application written in perl? It was written in 1999-2000 when perl ruled the roost. Seriously I was a perl guy from 1995 to 2003. It was great for one man projects, but not so great for collaborative projects. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Project Officer NRC-FOSS http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Perl or Python ?
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 1:03 PM, Baiju M mba...@zeomega.com wrote: Koha (http://www.koha.org) is great web application written in Perl. Looks interesting. It's weird since someone just asked for library management software on the Chennai LUG list. Roshan Mathews ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Perl or Python ?
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 1:08 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@au-kbc.org wrote: the last? great web application written in perl? It was written in 1999-2000 when perl ruled the roost. Seriously I was a perl guy from 1995 to 2003. It was great for one man projects, but not so great for collaborative projects. Oh, cool. Maybe you should talk on Perl, at one of the ChennaiPy meets when the PyCon discussions are over. If you are interested, and there are others who would want to attend one. Roshan Mathews ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Perl or Python ?
On Wednesday 14 Oct 2009 1:49:24 pm Roshan Mathews wrote: On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 1:08 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@au-kbc.org wrote: the last? great web application written in perl? It was written in 1999-2000 when perl ruled the roost. Seriously I was a perl guy from 1995 to 2003. It was great for one man projects, but not so great for collaborative projects. Oh, cool. Maybe you should talk on Perl, at one of the ChennaiPy meets when the PyCon discussions are over. If you are interested, and there are others who would want to attend one. ouch - I LOVE perl, and the further away I am from it, the more I love it. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Project Officer NRC-FOSS http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Perl or Python ?
On Wednesday 14 Oct 2009 1:49:24 pm Roshan Mathews wrote: On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 1:08 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@au-kbc.org wrote: the last? great web application written in perl? It was written in 1999-2000 when perl ruled the roost. Seriously I was a perl guy from 1995 to 2003. It was great for one man projects, but not so great for collaborative projects. Oh, cool. Maybe you should talk on Perl, at one of the ChennaiPy meets when the PyCon discussions are over. If you are interested, and there are others who would want to attend one. ouch - I LOVE perl, and the further away I am from it, the more I love it. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Project Officer NRC-FOSS http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Perl or Python ?
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 1:20 PM, Roshan Mathews rmath...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 1:03 PM, Baiju M mba...@zeomega.com wrote: Koha (http://www.koha.org) is great web application written in Perl. Looks interesting. It's weird since someone just asked for library management software on the Chennai LUG list. Just FYI, there is a company in Bangalore which provide commercial hosting and support for Koha. They offer shared Koha instance for small libraries for Rs. 4000/- per year. http://www.osslabs.biz/ -Anand ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Perl or Python ?
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 1:03 PM, Baiju M mba...@zeomega.com wrote: Koha (http://www.koha.org) is great web application written in Perl. Long back I was a Koha consultant (2003-2004): http://www.kohadocs.org/CDS_ISIS_to_Koha.html Now I don't understand the Perl code I wrote there :) -- Baiju M ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Perl or Python ?
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 2:52 PM, Baiju M mba...@zeomega.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 1:03 PM, Baiju M mba...@zeomega.com wrote: Koha (http://www.koha.org) is great web application written in Perl. Long back I was a Koha consultant (2003-2004): http://www.kohadocs.org/CDS_ISIS_to_Koha.html Now I don't understand the Perl code I wrote there :) Someone should quote your post everytime they discuss language readability and Perl... -- Baiju M ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers -- --Anand ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Perl or Python ?
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 3:01 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai abpil...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 2:52 PM, Baiju M mba...@zeomega.com wrote: Now I don't understand the Perl code I wrote there :) Someone should quote your post everytime they discuss language readability and Perl... Generalizations are always harmful. Roshan Mathews ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Perl or Python ?
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 3:04 PM, Roshan Mathews rmath...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 3:01 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai abpil...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 2:52 PM, Baiju M mba...@zeomega.com wrote: Now I don't understand the Perl code I wrote there :) Someone should quote your post everytime they discuss language readability and Perl... Generalizations are always harmful. True but this specific statement resonates with my experiences with Perl here. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Perl or Python ?
On Wednesday 14 Oct 2009 3:04:10 pm Roshan Mathews wrote: On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 3:01 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai abpil...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 2:52 PM, Baiju M mba...@zeomega.com wrote: Now I don't understand the Perl code I wrote there :) Someone should quote your post everytime they discuss language readability and Perl... Generalizations are always harmful. including this one -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Project Officer NRC-FOSS http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Perl or Python ?
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 3:43 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@au-kbc.org wrote: On Wednesday 14 Oct 2009 3:04:10 pm Roshan Mathews wrote: On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 3:01 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai abpil...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 2:52 PM, Baiju M mba...@zeomega.com wrote: Now I don't understand the Perl code I wrote there :) Someone should quote your post everytime they discuss language readability and Perl... Generalizations are always harmful. including this one Yes, I was surprised no one caught that. :) The point still stands though. Roshan Mathews ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Perl or Python ?
On Wednesday 14 Oct 2009 3:52:05 pm Roshan Mathews wrote: Someone should quote your post everytime they discuss language readability and Perl... Generalizations are always harmful. including this one Yes, I was surprised no one caught that. :) The point still stands though. it doesn't - and you haven't even spelt it properly -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Project Officer NRC-FOSS http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Perl or Python ?
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@au-kbc.org wrote: On Wednesday 14 Oct 2009 3:52:05 pm Roshan Mathews wrote: The point still stands though. it doesn't - and you haven't even spelt it properly It might be a good idea to back away from the keyboard when you find that you have started twitching. What did I spell incorrectly? Roshan Mathews ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Perl or Python ?
On Wednesday 14 Oct 2009 4:12:00 pm Roshan Mathews wrote: On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@au-kbc.org wrote: On Wednesday 14 Oct 2009 3:52:05 pm Roshan Mathews wrote: The point still stands though. it doesn't - and you haven't even spelt it properly It might be a good idea to back away from the keyboard when you find that you have started twitching. What did I spell incorrectly? generalisation -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Project Officer NRC-FOSS http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Perl or Python ?
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 4:16 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@au-kbc.org wrote: On Wednesday 14 Oct 2009 4:12:00 pm Roshan Mathews wrote: On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@au-kbc.org wrote: On Wednesday 14 Oct 2009 3:52:05 pm Roshan Mathews wrote: The point still stands though. it doesn't - and you haven't even spelt it properly It might be a good idea to back away from the keyboard when you find that you have started twitching. What did I spell incorrectly? generalisation Depends on whether you are speaking American English or British! http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/generalization ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Perl or Python ?
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 6:59 PM, kunalkant sen kunalkant...@gmail.com wrote: Python may not give you more job opportunity, but it will give you one of the best job opportunity. Why do you say that? Curious, that's all. :) Roshan Mathews ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Perl or Python ?
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 7:56 PM, Yuvi Panda yuvipa...@gmail.com wrote: Is power in any way related to job opportunities? And do power (and job opportunities) have anything to do with choosing which one to learn?[..] With great power, comes great opportunities. Or did I get that wrong? -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Perl or Python ?
On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 3:03 PM, Zaki Manian z...@manian.org wrote:[..] Perl style is much more individual. Perl coders and groups tend to develop an idiosyncratic style. Perl can be extremely concise(Famous one liner) but also unreadable. I think it's a good idea to atleast be able to read perl. It's an excellent quick and dirty tool and fits in very well with the UNIX toolset. If you're dealing with large text files, you have no excuse to *not* know it. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Perl or Python ?
On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 2:09 PM, Gopinath R gopiindia...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, It is my pleasure finding this mailing list. I am a Open Source guy. but not an expert. I m strong in Shell Scripting. I need to learn one more open source language for excellent job opportunities. I am bit confused in choosing it. I need your suggestions i should go for PERL or PYTHON. Which one is powerful and will give you more job opportunities? Today's job opportunities could be tomorrow's pink slips. Today's technology for fun could be tomorrow's job opportunity. Don't just look for immediate gratification when investing time in learning anything. When you decide to learn a language or any technology, consider how it is going to play out in the job market for the next 5 years or so. In that respect, Python is a good choice. I want to add that Python allows you to create your own opportunities. My own experience with the language is that I have reaped more than enough for the time I invested in learning it. Thanks, R.Gopinath http://neuronring.com ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers -- --Anand ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Perl or Python ?
On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 00:06:48 +0530 Noufal Ibrahim nou...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 3:03 PM, Zaki Manian z...@manian.org wrote:[..] Perl style is much more individual. Perl coders and groups tend to develop an idiosyncratic style. Perl can be extremely concise(Famous one liner) but also unreadable. I think it's a good idea to atleast be able to read perl. It's an excellent quick and dirty tool and fits in very well with the UNIX toolset. If you're dealing with large text files, you have no excuse to *not* know it. [...] I will repeat my Perl mantra: Regular expressions, regular expressions, regular expressions! There is a reason that regular expressions are not so central to Python, but nobody does regular expressions like the three- lled llama. Regards, Gora ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Perl or Python ?
Well I don't know about power and job prospects, but I remember reading ESR's 'Why Python' - http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/3882 before starting to learn it. regards, Abhishek ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Perl or Python ?
Noufal Ibrahim wrote: On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 7:56 PM, Yuvi Panda yuvipa...@gmail.com wrote: Is power in any way related to job opportunities? And do power (and job opportunities) have anything to do with choosing which one to learn?[..] With great power, comes great opportunities. Or did I get that wrong? '#f -Amit -- Journal: http://amitksaha.wordpress.com µ-blog: http://twitter.com/amitsaha IRC: cornucopic on #scheme, #lisp, #math, #linux ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Perl or Python ?
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:27 AM, Abhishek Mishra ideam...@gmail.com wrote: Well I don't know about power and job prospects, but I remember reading ESR's 'Why Python' - http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/3882 before starting to learn it. Probably flame bait but does anyone take ESR seriously these days? -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Perl or Python ?
On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 2:09 PM, Gopinath R gopiindia...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, It is my pleasure finding this mailing list. I am a Open Source guy. but not an expert. I m strong in Shell Scripting. I need to learn one more open source language for excellent job opportunities. I am bit confused in choosing it. I need your suggestions i should go for PERL or PYTHON. Which one is powerful and will give you more job opportunities? Thanks, R.Gopinath http://neuronring.com ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers Its refreshing to see such a candid statement about a practice so many programmers indulge in (learning a language for excellent job opportunities). I would imagine that perl is great for opportunities of the nature of system administration (as an upgrade from shell scripting), rapid tooling and some amount of web based development. I have always wondered how many of the advertised opportunities about perl actually have perl as the primary language. I'm sure many do but I suspect perl is likely to be used as a secondary language more often than many other languages. On the other hand python might be helpful for programming related to algorithms, computations, web based apps (eg. using django etc.), more advanced scripting and some amount of financial apps eg. trading desks. Having expressed the applicabilities in the limited sample size I have seen, allow me to interject one opinion. Select the right programming language for the job not for the job opportunities. That requires you to build the ability to learn any appropriate language on demand - and thats the skill which probably really counts. Dhananjay -- blog: http://blog.dhananjaynene.com twitter: http://twitter.com/dnene http://twitter.com/_pythonic ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Perl or Python ?
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:41 AM, Dhananjay Nene dhananjay.n...@gmail.com wrote: Select the right programming language for the job not for the job opportunities. Yeah, but seems like OP is jobless :P Regards Rajeev J Sebastian ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Perl or Python ?
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:41 AM, Dhananjay Nene dhananjay.n...@gmail.com wrote: On the other hand python might be helpful for programming related to algorithms, computations, web based apps (eg. using django etc.), more advanced scripting and some amount of financial apps eg. trading desks. Any Perl programmers here? Someone who prefers Perl to Python? I ask because I met some Perl programmers at one of the early ChennaiPy meets, there weren't many Perl meets going on, so they had come along. So maybe they are hiding here too! Someone wrote a pretty terse Perl program to wrap lines on the local LUG list some back, all it did was call a module function, but it left me curious about the @#$language. Roshan Mathews ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Perl or Python ?
On Wednesday 14 Oct 2009 12:17:42 am Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote: My own experience with the language is that I have reaped sorry, cannot resist this: REAPPYthon for a better world. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Project Officer NRC-FOSS http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Perl or Python ?
On Wednesday 14 Oct 2009 12:41:31 am Noufal Ibrahim wrote: On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:27 AM, Abhishek Mishra ideam...@gmail.com wrote: Well I don't know about power and job prospects, but I remember reading ESR's 'Why Python' - http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/3882 before starting to learn it. Probably flame bait but does anyone take ESR seriously these days? nobody ever took him seriously, but some of his essays have had and still have a huge influence - Cathedral and Bazaar, how to ask smart questions and the article on pytho. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Project Officer NRC-FOSS http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Perl or Python ?
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 7:09 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@au-kbc.orgwrote: On Wednesday 14 Oct 2009 12:41:31 am Noufal Ibrahim wrote: On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:27 AM, Abhishek Mishra ideam...@gmail.com wrote: Well I don't know about power and job prospects, but I remember reading ESR's 'Why Python' - http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/3882 before starting to learn it. Probably flame bait but does anyone take ESR seriously these days? nobody ever took him seriously, but some of his essays have had and still have a huge influence - Cathedral and Bazaar, how to ask smart questions and the article on pytho. The fact is that real good hackers don't care about the language they use, but in the quality of the code they write in that language. There are a few kinds of public faces in coding that I have observed - the ones who use language as a kind of tool to sell their ideas and their businesses (Bruce Eckel) and often to boost their egos (Eric Raymond) and those smart speakers who are silent and goes about their work in doing consulting and speaking opportunities, but doesn't make a big noise about languages, tools they use (Bruce Perens). Then there are language cult geeks who have made a persona from the languages and tools they are using (why-the-lucky-stiff for Ruby) and has an aura that rises above the language itself. The final category is the uber developer who is expert in anything he uses and produces working, quality code that runs under and above these language/product runtimes and make things tick - examples abound namely Frederick Lundh, Raymond Hettinger, Tim Peters in the Python world and another hacker I worship, namely Jamie Zawinski. Btw, I use the term hacker to mean programmer/developer, not its old meaning which is a guy who subverts systems for criminal purposes - he is known as a cracker now a days. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Project Officer NRC-FOSS http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers -- --Anand ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Perl or Python ?
On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 2:09 PM, Gopinath R gopiindia...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, It is my pleasure finding this mailing list. I am a Open Source guy. but not an expert. I m strong in Shell Scripting. I need to learn one more open source language for excellent job opportunities. I am bit confused in choosing it. I need your suggestions i should go for PERL or PYTHON. Which one is powerful and will give you more job opportunities? Job opportunities? I expect Java, C++ or C# rather than Perl/Python. Languages should be seen as tools to solve problems and not as career decisions. Perl and Python shine in different domains and have different applications (although there is some overlap). -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Perl or Python ?
On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 4:58 AM, Noufal Ibrahim nou...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 2:09 PM, Gopinath R gopiindia...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, It is my pleasure finding this mailing list. I am a Open Source guy. but not an expert. I m strong in Shell Scripting. I need to learn one more open source language for excellent job opportunities. I am bit confused in choosing it. I need your suggestions i should go for PERL or PYTHON. Which one is powerful and will give you more job opportunities? Job opportunities? I expect Java, C++ or C# rather than Perl/Python. Languages should be seen as tools to solve problems and not as career decisions. Perl and Python shine in different domains and have different applications (although there is some overlap). Given the OP: PERL or PYTHON. Which one I would say Python. I would also recommend first learning the basic syntax, up to list comprehensions, exceptions and classes. (lamda, decorators and metaclasses can come later.) once you know the basic syntax, pick some specialty/project: http://matplotlib.sourceforge.net http://carlfk.blip.tv/file/2557425 plotting library http://www.djangoproject.com/ web framework http://www.reportlab.org/ PDF library Something that interests you - get involved. great way to learn the language and a project. -- Carl K ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
