Re: [BangPypers] Why do indians copy?
On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 10:46 PM, Timmy Jose zoltan.j...@gmail.com wrote: Yo mate, you gotta just chill it a bit alright? I may not be a regular visitor in here but I have been a member from the very beginning of this small group of folks in here and I can vouch for Kenneth. Agreed that most folks here fall outside our generation but that is not to say that they are all a bunch of old farts. You really have to realize that not all disagreements stem from snarkiness and also that it is best to avoid ad hominem attacks in mailing lists. Bejasus d00d, just take a fucking moment and understand that you can make your point without offending people's sensibilities alright? Even if there is something missing in here that I am not aware of that does not excuse such infantile off-the-hip reactions. If you still feel that your fragile ego/honor has been sullied in this community, well, good riddance! Regards, With all due respect, it was anything but an off-the-hip reaction. Kenneth's been launching into each and everyone for days on end about each and every little thing whether it be some person's usage of Drupal over Plone or whether it be something else. The point of a comment is to contribute something useful. To say Real programmers yada yada yada doesn't exactly exhibit maturity either and illustrates nothing useful. Furthermore, I see a lot of dissing and very little Python actually happening on this list. As for my fragile ego, thanks for your concern, but it won't be good riddance for a long time to come I am afraid. Jayanth z0ltan On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 7:19 AM, Srijayanth Sridhar srijaya...@gmail.comwrote: On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 4:43 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@au-kbc.orgwrote: On Thursday 15 Oct 2009 3:52:39 pm Srijayanth Sridhar wrote: I brought up the same topic a few months ago I think. Basically if you go to the Ruby forums no real programmer goes to forums - they use mailing lists and IRC -- Kenneth, no diss, but if you can do something other than being a Draconian bastard and insulting people, then do it. I am out. This mailing list is full of grumpy old men. Jayanth ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers -- Bwahahahahahahahahahahahaha! ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Why do indians copy?
On Sunday 18 Oct 2009 5:25:09 pm Srijayanth Sridhar wrote: With all due respect, it was anything but an off-the-hip reaction. I have been a member of mailing lists for over 15 years now - this is the first time I have seen the word 'bastard' used. I did not react as I thought you had left the list. I will not react now as I do not think a person capable of such language is sensitive enough to understand a reaction - so I exercise my right to ignore all your posts in future. Feel free to also direct my posts to your spam folder. bye -- regards kg http://lawgon.livejournal.com ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Why do indians copy?
I don't think the issue has much to do with Indians copying. The answer to the original question is simple: It's because India is a poor country with a broken education system, where society has not learnt to recognize and foster innovation and independent thought in many fields. It's simple economics: people in poor countries feel more insecure about their lives, and tend to choose the safer options. All independent thought/ innovation requires a time investment- and involves a risk. A risk people aren't willing to take. I don't think the situation is significantly different from so many other poor countries. We are privileged to be educated, and we must use it for good. What can we do about the situation? Have productive discussions about the issues, and work towards rectifying them. I believe that education is one major answer to many problems. -- Artagnon (.com) ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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Someone posted in this thread that very little Python is happening in this list. Cannot agree with that comment yet, but this thread has no Python in it and has overgrown itself. Closing this thread. Further posts are - not welcome. And I request no personal slanging matches in the future. Thanks --Anand On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 8:42 PM, Ramkumar Ramachandra artag...@gmail.comwrote: -- Artagnon (.com) ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers -- --Anand ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Why do indians copy?
On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 8:50 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai abpil...@gmail.com wrote: Someone posted in this thread that very little Python is happening in this list. Cannot agree with that comment yet, but this thread has no Python in it and has overgrown itself. Closing this thread. Further posts are - not welcome. And I request no personal slanging matches in the future. I try normally not to reply to my own posts - but here is an addendum which could be useful to those prone to hitting the send button without taking time to edit their posts, giving themselves a chance to tone down their language. The archives of this list are public and are easily accessible using a google search later - when you make a regrettable post your name is getting permanently etched in the history of the web, associated to the post - something worth thinking about. Remember, on the web there are no regrets - when an ever watchful google is recording all your tracks. Think twice before hitting the send button. Thanks --Anand On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 8:42 PM, Ramkumar Ramachandra artag...@gmail.comwrote: -- Artagnon (.com) ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers -- --Anand -- --Anand ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Why do indians copy?
On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 11:36 AM, Roshan Mathews rmath...@gmail.com wrote: [..] The thing that put me off about the book (but I'd still recommend it as an interesting read) was something he said in the early chapters about BIll Joy or computers or hackers ... I don't remember specifically what it was, but I remember thinking that he wasn't exactly wrong but he wasn't exactly right either. To have that pilot say the same thing about Gladwell's views on aviation brings home the same point. But then it is pop-non-fiction so you can't expect much better. :) [..] I read the book around a month ago. It came across to me as a glorified readers digest feel good article with some statistics thrown in to make it a little spicy. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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David Lyon, Many thanks for the kind reply from Australia. I fully agree with you. I think copying, like corruption, is every where now and in the past, will be there in future also. Copying per se is not a problem, but making it appear once achievement is a problem ( many scientific inventions have this controversy of copying, idea stealing... Form Markoni to Einstein.) and by doing so cheating one to himself is the problem. I am ok with copying entire codebase of an application and understand it thoroughly but one should keep improving it fast and make it more powerful and elegant is the thing to do ( I am not referring to Microsoft :-). This is tantamount to Innovation (many confuse invention to innovation.. innovation is incremental improvement from and earlier invention, say the wheel ?).Most of the innovations are black swans, came to us by luck and from there great guys have taken to next level. So, Copying is not a problem, stopping there is a problem, cheating himself and others with the copy is a regressive. Thanks and Regards MVR.Murty --- On Fri, 10/16/09, David Lyon david.l...@preisshare.net wrote: From: David Lyon david.l...@preisshare.net Subject: Re: [BangPypers] Why do indians copy? To: Bangalore Python Users Group - India bangpypers@python.org Date: Friday, October 16, 2009, 8:32 AM On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 08:22:25 +0530, srid sridhar.ra...@gmail.com wrote: I wonder if all this can be traced back to India's education system: Modern education in India is often criticized for being based on rote learning rather than problem solving. BusinessWeek denigrates the Indian curriculum saying it revolves around rote learning.[67] and ExpressIndia suggests that students are focused on cramming.[68] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_india#Issues But Ghose raises an important point about it also being a cultural issue. Heh, wish there was a well-researched Wikipedia article on this topic! Srid, I'm not Indian - but... Every other race/nation copies.. Western civilisation is built on inventing and copying... Europe invented the printing press - what for? mass copying of ideas. You can't get a more blatent copy machine than that. Western civilisation could provide india with toilet paper for every citizen in india simply from how much we photo-copy each year. If you have any issue with Indian behaviour, it shouldn't be about duplication, just recognition. Outside India, everybody knows Buddha, Gandhi, even Shah Rukh Khan. Ok - answer this important question (I am Australian): Which country has the Indian cricket team copied as a base for it's spin bowling skills? I bet you can't answer... Because they didn't copy anybody.. they worked it out themselves... David ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Why do indians copy?
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 3:17 PM, Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy srinivas_thatipar...@akebonosoft.com wrote: [..] Why do indian programmers ask for code in Usenet (particularly Google groups) ? [..] Yeah,i did copy and learnt lessons. :) Why? That's probably the answer you're looking for. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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May be we Indians always think the other person to be better or smarter. To quote from your own post: Comparatively i have very less exposure and exp as you people have On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 3:17 PM, Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy srinivas_thatipar...@akebonosoft.com wrote: Hi list, This is my first post to the list though I have been following this list since 7 or 8 months. I have been programming for a 1.5 years or so.Comparatively i have very less exposure and exp as you people have and please excuse me if u think this is a troll or flame. I know that this is not related to python, but i can't resist discussing this. Why do indian programmers ask for code in Usenet (particularly Google groups) ? ,saying that it's very urgent and on top of that they can't even able to put their problem across correctly.In some cases they ask you to send it to their mail ID's. Having tried the problem and asking for help is OK.but this is something like disgusting. I have been following Reddit and News groups and forums and no matter where ever i go these type of people are there(99% of them are indians).They don't even have the patience to do googling..is copying seeped into our blood?? I have worked at infosys , i have had a chance to work with westerns,they never ever copy their home work(In training ,we used to do assignments and submit at the EOD).They do submit what they did , if they can't do it,they ask permission to submit later.But we (Indians) used to copy.Yeah,i did copy and learnt lessons. :) Regards, Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy. -- I hear and I forget. I see and I remember. I do and I understand. - Confucius. ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Why do indians copy?
Why do indian programmers ask for code in Usenet (particularly Google groups) ? Most Indian programmers were never supposed to be programmers. They simply lack the cognitive skills required to be in the business. Yet they are the ones who work for large/medium/small software service companies. So when they face a problem, they have absolutely no clue as to where to look for solutions. They also have no idea about the various programming communities and their modus operandi. They just join some random group and ask for solutions (it's akin to asking for some software in some shareware group). The problem is also inside the organisations; people who ask their seniors questions are deemed to be fools, etc. I think there is no solution to this specific problem. It's more of a culture issue. Unless and until parents let their children do whatever they want and the society treats people from all professions equally, people will keep flocking into the most fashionable profession of that decade. Computer programming is on its way out... management is much more fashionable now; the only difference is that a programmer's work revolves around the Internet and the Internet never forgets :) Regards, BG -- Baishampayan Ghose b.ghose at gmail.com ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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Googling or search in general is a skill. There is a lot of contextual knowledge that we use when composing a search query. One of the most important skills when entering a new discipline is learning the appropriate jargon and using it drive your queries. Search isn't generally a skill taught in schools. This is sad because it is probably ur-skill of the 21st century. But the only way to learn to search is to do a lot of it. I do find it more common in the East to find individuals in technical areas who haven't spent time running the thousands of queries it takes to build up the skill US number: +1 650-862-5992 Indian Number:+919945111824 Sent from Karnataka, India On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 3:39 PM, Arvind Jamuna Dixit ard...@gmail.comwrote: May be we Indians always think the other person to be better or smarter. To quote from your own post: Comparatively i have very less exposure and exp as you people have On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 3:17 PM, Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy srinivas_thatipar...@akebonosoft.com wrote: Hi list, This is my first post to the list though I have been following this list since 7 or 8 months. I have been programming for a 1.5 years or so.Comparatively i have very less exposure and exp as you people have and please excuse me if u think this is a troll or flame. I know that this is not related to python, but i can't resist discussing this. Why do indian programmers ask for code in Usenet (particularly Google groups) ? ,saying that it's very urgent and on top of that they can't even able to put their problem across correctly.In some cases they ask you to send it to their mail ID's. Having tried the problem and asking for help is OK.but this is something like disgusting. I have been following Reddit and News groups and forums and no matter where ever i go these type of people are there(99% of them are indians).They don't even have the patience to do googling..is copying seeped into our blood?? I have worked at infosys , i have had a chance to work with westerns,they never ever copy their home work(In training ,we used to do assignments and submit at the EOD).They do submit what they did , if they can't do it,they ask permission to submit later.But we (Indians) used to copy.Yeah,i did copy and learnt lessons. :) Regards, Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy. -- I hear and I forget. I see and I remember. I do and I understand. - Confucius. ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Why do indians copy?
On Thursday 15 Oct 2009 3:52:39 pm Srijayanth Sridhar wrote: I brought up the same topic a few months ago I think. Basically if you go to the Ruby forums no real programmer goes to forums - they use mailing lists and IRC -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Project Officer NRC-FOSS http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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I frequently speak of the challenge culture poses in doing product development in India. But in some sense, culture is a great problem to have. Culture can change and fairly fast. There are also fantastic opportunities for entrepeneurs so build microcosms of effective problem solving culture in India. At the sametime , it is !...@ing hard US number: +1 650-862-5992 Indian Number:+919945111824 Sent from Karnataka, India On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 4:24 PM, Baishampayan Ghose b.gh...@gmail.comwrote: Why do indian programmers ask for code in Usenet (particularly Google groups) ? Most Indian programmers were never supposed to be programmers. They simply lack the cognitive skills required to be in the business. Yet they are the ones who work for large/medium/small software service companies. So when they face a problem, they have absolutely no clue as to where to look for solutions. They also have no idea about the various programming communities and their modus operandi. They just join some random group and ask for solutions (it's akin to asking for some software in some shareware group). The problem is also inside the organisations; people who ask their seniors questions are deemed to be fools, etc. I think there is no solution to this specific problem. It's more of a culture issue. Unless and until parents let their children do whatever they want and the society treats people from all professions equally, people will keep flocking into the most fashionable profession of that decade. Computer programming is on its way out... management is much more fashionable now; the only difference is that a programmer's work revolves around the Internet and the Internet never forgets :) Regards, BG -- Baishampayan Ghose b.ghose at gmail.com ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 4:43 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@au-kbc.org wrote: On Thursday 15 Oct 2009 3:52:39 pm Srijayanth Sridhar wrote: I brought up the same topic a few months ago I think. Basically if you go to the Ruby forums no real programmer goes to forums - they use mailing lists and IRC Forums like say, http://stackoverflow.com/ ? Real programmers like say, Alex Martelli ? http://stackoverflow.com/users/95810/alex-martelli Roshan Mathews ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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But StackOverflow http://stackoverflow.com/ is changing all that. On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 4:43 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@au-kbc.orgwrote: On Thursday 15 Oct 2009 3:52:39 pm Srijayanth Sridhar wrote: I brought up the same topic a few months ago I think. Basically if you go to the Ruby forums no real programmer goes to forums - they use mailing lists and IRC -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Project Officer NRC-FOSS http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 4:43 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@au-kbc.org wrote: On Thursday 15 Oct 2009 3:52:39 pm Srijayanth Sridhar wrote: I brought up the same topic a few months ago I think. Basically if you go to the Ruby forums no real programmer goes to forums - they use mailing lists and IRC There are several good forums such as artima, stackoverflow and javalobby. The process of finding answers is what is important and not the medium. I think you would be taken more seriously if you don't spew random garbage like this. -- Vinayak ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 5:32 PM, Vinayak Hegde vinay...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 4:43 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@au-kbc.org wrote: On Thursday 15 Oct 2009 3:52:39 pm Srijayanth Sridhar wrote: I brought up the same topic a few months ago I think. Basically if you go to the Ruby forums no real programmer goes to forums - they use mailing lists and IRC There are several good forums such as artima, stackoverflow and javalobby. The process of finding answers is what is important and not the medium. Ubuntuforums has in the past been useful to me. I usually get to the articles via. a google search rather than directly visiting the forums though. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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Most important reason being people joining CS because of fashion and not because they like it. In my entire class of 68, only 4 joined CS because they liked it. The rest simply because they didn't want to 'disobey parents'. The 'don't question it' culture hurts. 20 people got 90+ in OOP in my class. None of them know the difference between a class and an object. Not their fault - I'm not sure the faculty themselves know it. Data Structures in C - 15 people got 90+. Maybe 5 of them know what a pointer is. I am sure the staff doesn't. Maybe my sampling is biased, but I don't see 99% of my classmates becoming programmers. Yet they will end up at some services company (only reappy knows why) and go on to produce those spectacular posts. Happens all the time here - nobody here can write code, and finding out ingenious ways to cheat is considered great. Maybe I should post a longer rant on my blog. How was this like before the CS Boom? I'm sure some of you would have memories... On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 5:40 PM, Baishampayan Ghose b.gh...@gmail.comwrote: I brought up the same topic a few months ago I think. Basically if you go to the Ruby forums no real programmer goes to forums - they use mailing lists and IRC Forums like say, http://stackoverflow.com/ ? havent come across that - but I some how do not like forums - something dozey about them Stackoverflow is not really a forum, it's more like a community QA website. And yes, StackOverflow has more people who work on Windows technologies. Regards, BG -- Baishampayan Ghose b.ghose at gmail.com ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers -- Yuvi Panda T http://yuvisense.net ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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This is getting really offtopic. I think everyone here has joined this mailing list for learning Python and helping others do so. No offense to anyone but can we terminate the discussion here. Thanks Vinayak On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 7:10 PM, shameek ghosh shamee...@gmail.com wrote: Coming back to the main questions.[:)] 1. Why do indian programmers ask for code in Usenet (particularly Google groups) ? [SNIP] ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 7:10 PM, shameek ghosh shamee...@gmail.com wrote: ... [:)] ... [:P]... ... [:)] ... [:)] Orkut overdose? :) Roshan Mathews ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 7:30 PM, Roshan Mathews rmath...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 7:17 PM, Vinayak Hegde vinay...@gmail.com wrote: This is getting really offtopic. I think everyone here has joined this mailing list for learning Python and helping others do so. No offense to anyone but can we terminate the discussion here. Off topic, and the generalizations are a lil offensive. But then free speech and all. :)\\ Moderator, Kindly close this thread Roshan Mathews ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers -- Ramdas S +91 9342 583 065 ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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Hi list, This is my first post to the list though I have been following this list since 7 or 8 months. I have been programming for a 1.5 years or so.Comparatively i have very less exposure and exp as you people have and please excuse me if u think this is a troll or flame. I know that this is not related to python, but i can't resist discussing this. Why do indian programmers ask for code in Usenet (particularly Google groups) ? ,saying that it's very urgent and on top of that they can't even able to put their problem across correctly.In some cases they ask you to send it to their mail ID's. Having tried the problem and asking for help is OK.but this is something like disgusting. I have been following Reddit and News groups and forums and no matter where ever i go these type of people are there(99% of them are indians).They don't even have the patience to do googling..is copying seeped into our blood?? I have worked at infosys , i have had a chance to work with westerns,they never ever copy their home work(In training ,we used to do assignments and submit at the EOD).They do submit what they did , if they can't do it,they ask permission to submit later.But we (Indians) used to copy.Yeah,i did copy and learnt lessons. :) Regards, Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy. -- I hear and I forget. I see and I remember. I do and I understand. - Confucius. On Thu, 15 Oct 2009, Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy sent out 8.1K bytes to say: Hi list, This is my first post to the list though I have been following this list since 7 or 8 months. I have been programming for a 1.5 years or so.Comparatively i have very less exposure and exp as you people have and please excuse me if u think this is a troll or flame. I know that this is not related to python, but i can't resist discussing this. Why do indian programmers ask for code in Usenet (particularly Google groups) ? ,saying that it's very urgent and on top of that they can't even able to put their problem across correctly.In some cases they ask you to send it to their mail ID's. Having tried the problem and asking for help is OK.but this is something like disgusting. I have been following Reddit and News groups and forums and no matter where ever i go these type of people are there(99% of them are indians).They don't even have the patience to do googling..is copying seeped into our blood?? I have worked at infosys , i have had a chance to work with westerns,they never ever copy their home work(In training ,we used to do assignments and submit at the EOD).They do submit what they did , if they can't do it,they ask permission to submit later.But we (Indians) used to copy.Yeah,i did copy and learnt lessons. :) Regards, Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy. -- I hear and I forget. I see and I remember. I do and I understand. - Confucius. ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers Sorry, I just couldn't resist :P -- Tejas Dinkar http://gja.in ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 8:22 AM, srid sridhar.ra...@gmail.com wrote: But Ghose raises an important point about it also being a cultural issue. Heh, wish there was a well-researched Wikipedia article on this topic! There is a hypothesis presented in Malcolm Gladwell's book Outliers, on cultural factors causing airline accidents. But then others[1] disagree, as with most social arguments it's hard to come to any conclusion. Makes interesting reading all the same. :) Roshan Mathews [1] http://www.salon.com/tech/col/smith/2008/12/05/askthepilot301/ ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 08:22:25 +0530, srid sridhar.ra...@gmail.com wrote: I wonder if all this can be traced back to India's education system: Modern education in India is often criticized for being based on rote learning rather than problem solving. BusinessWeek denigrates the Indian curriculum saying it revolves around rote learning.[67] and ExpressIndia suggests that students are focused on cramming.[68] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_india#Issues But Ghose raises an important point about it also being a cultural issue. Heh, wish there was a well-researched Wikipedia article on this topic! Srid, I'm not Indian - but... Every other race/nation copies.. Western civilisation is built on inventing and copying... Europe invented the printing press - what for? mass copying of ideas. You can't get a more blatent copy machine than that. Western civilisation could provide india with toilet paper for every citizen in india simply from how much we photo-copy each year. If you have any issue with Indian behaviour, it shouldn't be about duplication, just recognition. Outside India, everybody knows Buddha, Gandhi, even Shah Rukh Khan. Ok - answer this important question (I am Australian): Which country has the Indian cricket team copied as a base for it's spin bowling skills? I bet you can't answer... Because they didn't copy anybody.. they worked it out themselves... David ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 8:33 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@au-kbc.org wrote: failing - and if you do lose respect you hang yourself. In fact I once made a remark about RMS, and was told 'at least respect him as an elder'. Why should I? He is younger than me ;-) Hahaha. :-D *must avoid antediluvian joke ... must* Roshan Mathews ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Why do indians copy?
On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 08:36:35 +0530 Roshan Mathews rmath...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 8:22 AM, srid sridhar.ra...@gmail.com wrote: But Ghose raises an important point about it also being a cultural issue. Heh, wish there was a well-researched Wikipedia article on this topic! There is a hypothesis presented in Malcolm Gladwell's book Outliers, on cultural factors causing airline accidents. But then others[1] disagree, as with most social arguments it's hard to come to any conclusion. [...] Interesting that you should bring that up. I read Outliers a few months ago, and while it made some interesting points, I was frankly not very impressed by it, as also another best-selling book with a somewhat similar outlook, Freakonmics. I think that Gladwell jumps to conclusions way too readily. In this particular incident, without any more data than in the book, I felt that the blame for the crash that Gladwell lays at the feet of cultural factors affecting the Avianca crew, could have equally well been pointed the other way: At the famously rude New York ATC. The NTSB report cited in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avianca_Flight_52 is more even-handed. One of the really scary possibilities is that the crash was because of a linguistic misunderstanding. Regards, Gora ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
