[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Burwell Lute Tutor Pieces
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Your Scribd page has amazing treasures, Ernst!
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Indeed. Thank you Ernst!
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On Sun, 3 May 2020 at 11:34, Rob MacKillop <[3]robmackil...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Your Scribd page has amazing treasures, Ernst!
Rob MacKillop
On Sun, 3 May 2020 at 10:19, <[1][4]fischer...@aon.at> wrote:
Dear lute friends,
As you most probably know, the "Burwell Lute Tutor" is a
manuscript
tutor for the baroque lute. The manuscript is Miss Mary
Burwell's
(born
1654) copy of a method written by an Englishman (the name
Mr.
John
Rogers has been suggested) who claims was himself a pupil of
the
French
Ennemond Gaultier. The teacher corrected Miss Burwell's copy
of
the
text and filled in the music examples. Both the "Burwell
Lute
Tutor"
and "The Lute Made Easie" (by Thomas Mace, London, 1676) are
two
very
authentic and surviving sources of its time teaching in
great
detail
from A to Z how to play the baroque lute.
For teaching practice, the manuscript contains examples of
French-style
lute pieces, mainly fragments and sometimes individual bars
only.
The
music examples are chaotic, with both teacher and pupil
contributing to
mistakes Some of the pieces are known, and concordances
exist in
other
lute manuscripts, other pieces are new and unique.
Over the last months or so I tried playing nearly all pieces
after I
identified (if possible), corrected and completed majority
of the
pieces from the Burwell Lute Tutor.
Please find here the link to my compilation of baroque lute
pieces from
the "Burwell Lute Tutor":
[1][2][5]http://www.apeptico.com/index-burwell_lute_tutor
Please stay healthy and resist Corona!
Ernst Bernhard ("viennalute") from Vienna.
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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: thumb in or out???
Thomas is getting all the gigs at the moment, and rightly so, despite his non-hip choices. So what's your point? David - not fighting anyone in this exchange, just observing players and audiences making their own choices, neither based on anything the hip-police is describing as âcurrently correct'. On Sat, 3 Aug 2019 at 22:20, Christopher Wilke <[1]chriswi...@mail.cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote: Well, the performer may do as he likes in regard to technique and choice of instrument and its setup. No matter how well researched, our relationship with the performance of music from the past will always be partially speculative. At any rate, we're all artists working in the 21st century and I believe the degree to which the performer chooses to engage with what is understood about performance practice of the past is just another facet of that person's total aesthetic presentation. As for Thomas, he's clearly very talented and I can enjoy his playing. Having said that, the hugely arbitrary way in which HIPness is used as a critical litmus test for career success annoys me to no end. Some performers are granted favored status and can do no wrong. Meanwhile, other equally fantastic players are lambasted and marginalized for unpopular choices that are perfectly justifiable - sometimes even mandated - in period sources. To put it another way: the same handful of folks keep getting all the gigs because people who know better keep hiring them. That's not cool. I think there's room for a variety of approaches, but that's not what we get. Chris [1]Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Saturday, August 3, 2019, 2:22 PM, Fischer BE (Aon) <[2]fischer...@aon.at> wrote: My comment sounds like this: Unfortunately, this performance is on a "lute-shape instrument" but by far not on a baroque lute. Apparently the young musician misses the idea and ideal of baroque lute sound and technique. He treats the instrument like a guitar. The type of string material is by far not authentic to what has been used in Bach's time. I am sorry, he should continue studying the guitar and not misinterpreting lute music. E.B. -Ursprà ¼ngliche Nachricht- Von: [2][3]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:[3][4]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag von Hermann Kelber Gesendet: Samstag, 03. August 2019 01:07 An: [4][5]baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; [5][6]l...@cs.dartmouth.edu Betreff: [BAROQUE-LUTE] thumb in or out??? [1][6][7]https://youtu.be/XKIHIX8R870 observe his right hand>>>>>> can't wait for the conversation ???!!!l let's see what all he lute experts have to say By the way he gave a concert in Berkeley several month ago enjoy Hermann -- References 1. [7][8]https://youtu.be/XKIHIX8R870 To get on or off this list see list information at [8][9]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. [10]https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/?.src=iOS 2. mailto:[11]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu 3. mailto:[12]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu 4. mailto:[13]baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 5. mailto:[14]l...@cs.dartmouth.edu 6. [15]https://youtu.be/XKIHIX8R870 7. [16]https://youtu.be/XKIHIX8R870 8. [17]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- ******* David van Ooijen [18]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [19]www.davidvanooijen.nl *** -- References 1. mailto:chriswi...@mail.cs.dartmouth.edu 2. mailto:fischer...@aon.at 3. mailto:lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu 4. mailto:lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu 5. mailto:baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 6. mailto:l...@cs.dartmouth.edu 7. https://youtu.be/XKIHIX8R870 8. https://youtu.be/XKIHIX8R870 9. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 10. https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/?.src=iOS 11. mailto:lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu 12. mailto:lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu 13. mailto:baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 14. mailto:l...@cs.dartmouth.edu 15. https://youtu.be/XKIHIX8R870 16. https://youtu.be/XKIHIX8R870 17. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 18. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 19. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: thumb in or out???
Single-strung archlute tuned in g'. a' = 415Hz Poor rose. David *** David van Ooijen [1]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [2]www.davidvanooijen.nl *** On Sat, 3 Aug 2019 at 20:24, Fischer BE (Aon) <[3]fischer...@aon.at> wrote: My comment sounds like this: Unfortunately, this performance is on a "lute-shape instrument" but by far not on a baroque lute. Apparently the young musician misses the idea and ideal of baroque lute sound and technique. He treats the instrument like a guitar. The type of string material is by far not authentic to what has been used in Bach's time. I am sorry, he should continue studying the guitar and not misinterpreting lute music. E.B. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [4]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:[5]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag von Hermann Kelber Gesendet: Samstag, 03. August 2019 01:07 An: [6]baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; [7]l...@cs.dartmouth.edu Betreff: [BAROQUE-LUTE] thumb in or out??? [1][8]https://youtu.be/XKIHIX8R870 observe his right hand>>>>>> can't wait for the conversation ???!!!l let's see what all he lute experts have to say By the way he gave aconcert in Berkeley several month ago enjoy Hermann -- References 1. [9]https://youtu.be/XKIHIX8R870 To get on or off this list see list information at [10]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 2. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ 3. mailto:fischer...@aon.at 4. mailto:lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu 5. mailto:lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu 6. mailto:baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 7. mailto:l...@cs.dartmouth.edu 8. https://youtu.be/XKIHIX8R870 9. https://youtu.be/XKIHIX8R870 10. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: about the new sintetic loaded lute basses
Good sound. Almost gut. On Wednesday, 2 November 2016, Mimmo Peruffo <[1]mperu...@aquilacorde.com> wrote: Hi All, I would like to share with you the sound of these very new lute basses: [2]https://www.facebook.com/mperuffo/videos/10211568687754149/ I am aware of course that I am not a professional luteplayer; oncemore I have not any daily practice. However, anyone can have an idea ow they perform on my baroque lute. The paired octaves fit quite well with the bass string giving the impression of a single string. All the best Mimmo Peruffo To get on or off this list see list information at [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- *** David van Ooijen [4]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [5]www.davidvanooijen.nl *** -- References 1. mailto:mperu...@aquilacorde.com 2. https://www.facebook.com/mperuffo/videos/10211568687754149/ 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 4. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 5. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Request from beginner
You might start by working your way through 'The Baroque Lute Companion' by Stefan Lundgren. I found it a well-graded and pleasant collection of pieces, with technical info from original sources as a bonus. David On Monday, 26 September 2016, john <[1]j...@musicinwood.com> wrote: Hello Baroque Lute group, I was wondering if anyone could recommend a few lute pieces for a complete beginner. I have just finished building a 13c Baroque Lute from David Van Edwards excellent course and have found playing it to be much different than I expected - compared to the Renaissance lute and classic guitar which I have played for over 30 years. What pieces might you recommend to get started? Thanks! -- To get on or off this list see list information at [2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- *** David van Ooijen [3]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [4]www.davidvanooijen.nl *** -- References 1. mailto:j...@musicinwood.com 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 3. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 4. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Lute Lessons--Seeking Students
Welcome to the club! Rob MacKillop and I do the same. David *** David van Ooijen [1]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [2]www.davidvanooijen.nl *** On 4 May 2016 at 02:30, sterling price <[3]spiffys84...@cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote: To the World Lute Community---I am now offering lute lessons via Skype. I specialize in baroque lute, archlute and theorbo--(and even renaissance lute too!) Please do contact me for more info--- Sterling -- To get on or off this list see list information at [4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 2. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ 3. mailto:spiffys84...@cs.dartmouth.edu 4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Siciliana in e-minoRe: composer?
Did I write folia, really? Folio, obviously ...
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On 23 January 2016 at 14:27, David van Ooijen
<[3]davidvanooi...@gmail.com> wrote:
A-Wn ms. Suppl. Mus. 1078
Library: Wien, Asterreichische Nationalbibliothek, Musiksammlung
No 3 folia 5v Siciliana in e-minor
Here's the link tot the incipit in Peter Steur's excellent
database:
[1][4]http://mss.slweiss.de/index.php?id=1=ms=A-Wn1078=
eng
owmss=1
Does anybody know if there's a composer linked to this piece?
David
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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Siciliana in e-minoRe: composer?
A-Wn ms. Suppl. Mus. 1078 Library: Wien, Asterreichische Nationalbibliothek, Musiksammlung No 3 folia 5v Siciliana in e-minor Here's the link tot the incipit in Peter Steur's excellent database: [1]http://mss.slweiss.de/index.php?id=1=ms=A-Wn1078=eng owmss=1 Does anybody know if there's a composer linked to this piece? David *** David van Ooijen [2]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [3]www.davidvanooijen.nl *** -- References 1. http://mss.slweiss.de/index.php?id=1=ms=A-Wn1078=eng=1 2. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 3. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Ms 5038 in Norway, ca 1830?
Coste arranged De VisA(c)e in the 19th century, so his music was still around. David -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Gallot titles
>> On 15 December 2015 at 08:42, David van Ooijen <[1]davidvanooi...@gmail.com> wrote: Dear collectedwisom Can someone shed any light on the titles of following four chaconnes by Gallot? 1) La Comete The comet Kirch/Newtons comet of 1680, right? 2) Le petite Serail Now demolshed government building in Beirut, the one that preceeded the Wikipedia petit Serail from 1884, presumably, right? << Or simply the 'small harem'. More likely? >> 3) La diamantine A cold lady, perhaps? 4) La Mouche A not-so-cold lady, perhaps? << *********** David van Ooijen [1][2]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [2][3]www.davidvanooijen.nl *** -- References 1. mailto:[4]davidvanooi...@gmail.com 2. [5]http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ To get on or off this list see list information at [6]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 2. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 3. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ 4. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 5. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ 6. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Gallot titles
Dear collectedwisom Can someone shed any light on the titles of following four chaconnes by Gallot? 1) La Comete The comet Kirch/Newtons comet of 1680, right? 2) Le petite Serail Now demolshed government building in Beirut, the one that preceeded the Wikipedia petit Serail from 1884, presumably, right? 3) La diamantine A cold lady, perhaps? 4) La Mouche A not-so-cold lady, perhaps? *** David van Ooijen [1]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [2]www.davidvanooijen.nl *** -- References 1. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 2. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: JS Bach BWV 995 intabulation
There's only only period tablature of BWV995, and that's the Leipzig one. David *** David van Ooijen [1]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [2]www.davidvanooijen.nl *** On 2 August 2015 at 00:05, Ivar-Nicholas Fojas [3]ivarfo...@email.arizona.edu wrote: Thank you David, What a great suggestion, I was fortunate to find it in our local library. It has the Lipsia version of the 995 and has a helpful bilbliography. Would you know if this is different from the so called Leipzig tablature presumably by Falckenhagen? Thank you again, Ivar On Saturday, August 1, 2015, David van Ooijen [1][4]davidvanooi...@gmail.com wrote: There's the Edizioni Suvini Zerboni edition 'J. S. Bach - Opere per Liuti' with all facsimile, transcriptions, other sources (cello suite et al) and commentary (in English). I think it's worth your money, it was worth mine. David *** David van Ooijen [1][2][5]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [2][3][6]www.davidvanooijen.nl *** On 1 August 2015 at 22:16, Ivar-Nicholas Fojas [3][4][7]ivarfo...@email.arizona.edu wrote: Hi Jean-Daniel, Thank you very much for sharing your tablatures, this is very helpful to my research topic. I am hoping to come up with a historically and stylistically informed modern guitar transcription of a Bach suite. Best regards, Ivar On Saturday, August 1, 2015, Jean-Daniel Forget [1][4][5][8]jean-daniel.for...@orange.fr wrote: For the tablatures, see : [2][5][6][9]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/60516846/Partitions_ pou r_l uth _baroque/Musiques/Les_compositeurs/Johann_Sebastian_Bach/Bach_luth.h tm Jean-Daniel Ivar-Nicholas Fojas a A(c)crit : Dear Baroque Lute List, Greetings, I am Ivar from Tucson AZ. I was wondering if anyone could help me locate the facsimile for a baroque lute intabulation of J.S. Bach's Lute suite in G minor BWV 995. From what I have read, the intabulation was done during or shortly after Bach's time by an unkown Lutenist from Leipzig. I am primarily a guitar player and would immensely appreciate guidance through lute literature related to Bach. I would also be interested in any Literature ( article, modern day lute intabulation, facsimile etc.) related to J.S. Bach's lute suites in particular BWV 995/BWV 1011. I've heard about an article by Alice Artz on the Third lute suite published on the first volume and Issue of LSA journal but have not been able to find a copy. Thank you in advance for your help and suggestions. Many thanks, -- Ivar-Nicholas Fojas Fulbright Scholar (Philippines) Doctoral Candidate, University of Arizona - Bolton Guitar Studies Program [6]623-238-5201 -- To get on or off this list see list information at [3][7][7][10]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Ivar-Nicholas Fojas Fulbright Scholar (Philippines) Doctoral Candidate, University of Arizona - Bolton Guitar Studies Program [8]623-238-5201 -- References 1. mailto:[9][8][11]jean-daniel.for...@orange.fr 2. [10][9][12]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/60516846/Partitions_p our_ luth_b aroque/Musiques/Les_compositeurs/Johann_Sebastian_Bach/Bach_luth.htm 3. [11][10][13]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:[11][14]davidvanooi...@gmail.com 2. [12][15]http
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: JS Bach BWV 995 intabulation
There's the Edizioni Suvini Zerboni edition 'J. S. Bach - Opere per Liuti' with all facsimile, transcriptions, other sources (cello suite et al) and commentary (in English). I think it's worth your money, it was worth mine. David *** David van Ooijen [1]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [2]www.davidvanooijen.nl *** On 1 August 2015 at 22:16, Ivar-Nicholas Fojas [3]ivarfo...@email.arizona.edu wrote: Hi Jean-Daniel, Thank you very much for sharing your tablatures, this is very helpful to my research topic. I am hoping to come up with a historically and stylistically informed modern guitar transcription of a Bach suite. Best regards, Ivar On Saturday, August 1, 2015, Jean-Daniel Forget [1][4]jean-daniel.for...@orange.fr wrote: For the tablatures, see : [2][5]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/60516846/Partitions_pour_l uth _baroque/Musiques/Les_compositeurs/Johann_Sebastian_Bach/Bach_luth.h tm Jean-Daniel Ivar-Nicholas Fojas a A(c)crit : Dear Baroque Lute List, Greetings, I am Ivar from Tucson AZ. I was wondering if anyone could help me locate the facsimile for a baroque lute intabulation of J.S. Bach's Lute suite in G minor BWV 995. From what I have read, the intabulation was done during or shortly after Bach's time by an unkown Lutenist from Leipzig. I am primarily a guitar player and would immensely appreciate guidance through lute literature related to Bach. I would also be interested in any Literature ( article, modern day lute intabulation, facsimile etc.) related to J.S. Bach's lute suites in particular BWV 995/BWV 1011. I've heardabout an article by Alice Artz on the Third lute suite published on the first volume and Issue of LSA journal but have not been able to find a copy. Thank you in advance for your help and suggestions. Many thanks, -- Ivar-Nicholas Fojas Fulbright Scholar (Philippines) Doctoral Candidate, University of Arizona - Bolton Guitar Studies Program [6]623-238-5201 -- To get on or off this list see list information at [3][7]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Ivar-Nicholas Fojas Fulbright Scholar (Philippines) Doctoral Candidate, University of Arizona - Bolton Guitar Studies Program [8]623-238-5201 -- References 1. mailto:[9]jean-daniel.for...@orange.fr 2. [10]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/60516846/Partitions_pour_luth_b aroque/Musiques/Les_compositeurs/Johann_Sebastian_Bach/Bach_luth.htm 3. [11]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 2. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ 3. mailto:ivarfo...@email.arizona.edu 4. mailto:jean-daniel.for...@orange.fr 5. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/60516846/Partitions_pour_luth 6. tel:623-238-5201 7. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 8. tel:623-238-5201 9. mailto:jean-daniel.for...@orange.fr 10. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/60516846/Partitions_pour_luth_baroque/Musiques/Les_compositeurs/Johann_Sebastian_Bach/Bach_luth.htm 11. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Muffat Passacaglia in A
Thanks to all. With your help I found the facsimile on my own HDD. :-) David *** David van Ooijen [1]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [2]www.davidvanooijen.nl *** On 9 June 2015 at 23:59, David van Ooijen [3]davidvanooi...@gmail.com wrote: A A Dear Collected Baroque Lute Wisdom A A Muffat's Passacaglia in A, I have the impslp (I never get that A A abbreviation right!) copy from the DenkmACURler der Tonkunst in A A Asterreich, but can someone point me to the ms it's taken from? A A thanks A A David A A *** A A David van Ooijen A A [1][4]davidvanooi...@gmail.com A A [2][5]www.davidvanooijen.nl A A *** A A -- References A A 1. mailto:[6]davidvanooi...@gmail.com A A 2. [7]http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ To get on or off this list see list information at [8]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 2. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ 3. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 4. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 5. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ 6. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 7. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ 8. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Ristori / Weiss. Facts?
Coming weekend I'm to play Divoti Affetti alla Passione di Nostro Signore by Giovanni Alberto Ristori. I've been given a figured bass that is marked theorbe/organo. Ristori worked in Dresden at the time Weiss was there too. Are there any facts connecting the two? David *** David van Ooijen [1]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [2]www.davidvanooijen.nl *** -- References 1. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 2. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Looking for a Prince and a Madame
Collected wisdom, any clues to the identities of Mr. Le Prince de Conde in Gallot's Tombeau de Mr. Le Prince de Conde and the Madame in Moutons' Tombeau de Madame, Pavanne? David -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: BWV 1025
On 13 August 2012 12:48, Taco Walstra wals...@science.uva.nl wrote: Interesting is if you look at the trauerode score (198) aria is that it indicates liuti at the start of score, i.e. plural. Would this mean that the piece was played /intended to be played by more than one lute? I think (continuo) lutes often came in pairs in those days, it divides the work load and doubles the output. Anyway, in the Trauerode (two lutes and two viols, what a beautiful symmetry) there are two different lute parts in the 4th movement. David -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Bruwell modern edition?
On 8 August 2012 16:49, howard posner howardpos...@ca.rr.com wrote: On Aug 8, 2012, at 7:16 AM, David van Ooijen wrote: Did I write Bruwell? No wonder I couldn't find any references in the library catalogue ... ;-) That's what happens when you use a looking glass. I know, it's all coming back to me. Holding up a mirror and all that. David -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl ***
[BAROQUE-LUTE] quote on Denis Gaultier's playing?
Does anybody have that ready, or know where I can find it? Something about Gaultier playing beautiful (but) soft. And who wrote it? grateful, as ever David -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: [BAROQUE-LUTE]Spotify . . .
the case, too, that even when things are done legally, the artist is at the end of the queue for picking up their meagre share of the takings. Artists usually pay to record cds these days. In return they receive a number of cds to sell by themsleves. Depending on the name/popularity of the artist, the deal can be that the record company will pay more and the artist less, or the artist will get more or less cds. So if you want to make sure Tony gets something for his efforts, you'd better buy directly from him, and not from he label. But, buying from the label will increase the chances that the label is interested in recording another cd with him. So, buy two cds! David -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] utterly OT: guitar teacher wanted in Bolivia, reply off-list
Sorry to bother the list with this, but there must be a Bolivian guitar teacher among us, or someone who knows one ... Friends of mine are travelling the world and stopping in Bolivia (where ...?) One of them wants lessons in 'Spanish guitar' while in Bolivia. Names, (e-mail)adresses, anyhting? David -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Sharp keys seem to work well in d-minor tuned lute...
On 6 January 2012 22:45, Jean-Marie Poirier jmpoiri...@wanadoo.fr wrote: I like the isea of playing a charlatan of music :-). Don't you ? So true. And at the same time we can suggest such unwordly beauty with our imperfect instruments. Suggestion is the key word here. Perhaps also in our attempts at more perfect temperaments. David -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] 19th century French lute interest?
I'm reading a book on the early music revival in 19th century France. Interpreting the Musical Past by Katharine Ellis (OUP). Fascinating stuff, how composers were liked or disliked for nationalistic and ideological reasons, how their past was changed for the same reasons, how works were put into a modern context to prove their value and how the most iconic early music pieces, on which reputations and theories were built, were modern fakes. Some of these fakes are still loved by audiences today. It's not mentioned in the book, but we know of Coste's ''Livre d'Or with arrangements of works by De Visée for modern guitar. I wonder, was there any interest in lute music in France at that time? David -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Transposing lute tablature on sight [was Re: A=392]
On 1 December 2011 13:58, Roman Turovsky r.turov...@verizon.net wrote: reading off lute tabulature is common practice of historical harpists. WITHOUT transposion, naturally. Unless someone moved the harp an inch or two ... David -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: A=392
On 30 November 2011 11:18, Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: So, if I understand you right, the early lute players could all transpose tablature on sight - have you any evidence for this assertion? You also suggest we shouldn't discuss such matters... I wonder why? Oh dear, is my English that bad? This is what I wrote: Transposing lute song (intabulated parts) isn't that hard for an experienced player. No need to write it out, no need to write about it. Did I speak of early lute players? No, I wrote 'experienced player'. That would include early as well as not so early lute players, as long as they are experienced. I'm a not so early lute player and I've accompanied a few lute songs in my time, so, just for the sake of argument, let's consider me experienced. I can transpose an intabulated lute song accompaniment on sight. Next part of your question. Did I say we shouldn't discuss matters? No, I wrote that if transposing on sight is a common skill, there is no need to write out parts and there is no need to write about the skill of transposing on sight. And now I've got myself into trouble, because I just wrote about something for which I didn't see the need to write ... what shall I do? And once again, I do apologise for my bad English, so sorry. David -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: A=392
On 30 November 2011 14:46, Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: I think the same general query applies to modern players too - what evidence have you for your assertion that all experienced players can transpose tablature on sight? Gosh, there goes my English again! Did I really write 'all experienced players'? Shouldn't think so. Make that 'experienced players', or read my mail again and see that's what I did write. The question should be, of course, what makes a player experienced (or good, or a pro, or a survivor in the rough world of lute song accompaniment)? Many lute song accompanists, dare I say experienced lute song accompanists, will agree transposing songs is a useful skill. Or carrying around a bag of transpositions, like Bob Spencer did. Perhaps that's what marks the experienced player: to be prepared for possible transpositions. Anyway, you mean you want to have a list of all the times I had to transpose on sight over the last 20- dd years? Or a list of the songs, or a list of the most common transpositions, most common reasons, or a rating of the relative success of my transpositions (could be embarrassing, let's leave that out). David - had a spontaneous transposition within a recit of Messiah last weekend, but the cello player and alto didn't transpose along. How petty of them, not going along with my half tone lower ... -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Transposing lute tablature on sight [was Re: A=392]
On 30 November 2011 16:45, David Smith d...@dolcesfogato.com wrote: Just to jump in the fray. My wife is aprofessional musician, as many of you are, and I asked here if she thought it was an important skill for piano accompanists to be able to transpose on sight. Her response was a resounding yes. Of course, piano accompanists wouldn't be worth their salt without the skill of tranposing. Accompanying singers means tranpsosing, such is the world. David Even electric eels I, might add, do it, though it shocks them, I know. -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Transposing lute tablature on sight [was Re: A=392]
On 30 November 2011 18:44, howard posner howardpos...@ca.rr.com wrote: Not sure what you're apologizing for, unless it's sending a message to the list instead of to me. It wouldn't do to be laughing at someone else's expense; but laughing at my own expense is fine. Your English seems fine, except the expression is comic relief. Relief is the noun and relieve is the verb. I stand corrected! I thought Comic Relief was the copyrighted name of the British charity. David - relieved -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Transposing lute tablature on sight [was Re: A=392]
I like to think we're all enthusiastic amateurs here, sharing our love for the lute and its repertoire. Rather than perform a party trick for you, I'd like to show something much better: you can transpose from tablature yourself. Give it a try, even if just as a thought experiment. Take a simple Campion song like Never weather-beaten sail. The first line is made up of some chords. What chords? In the key of the piece, assign them a number. In the key of C the numbers are 1 for c, 2 for d, 3 for e, and so forth. Now play the chord sequence in another key, while only thinking of the numbers. Never mind niceties like voice leading, that will come once you're comfortable in the new key. Now look at the last section of the song with the scale passages. Again, give the notes a number in the key they're written in, then play the numbers in another key. No magic involved, nothing superhuman. Just mental arithmatic in real time. And during the first run through play just the chords, or even just the bass line. Add a little every new run through. In the end you'll notice you'll know the piece more or less by heart, and you'll even be able to improvise bits to it. Sounds familiar? Think of jazz musicians, this is how they do it. David van Ooijen [1]www.davidvanooijen.nl -- References 1. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Lute and Theorbo Recital, FREE ENTRANCE!
Sounds great! I'll be in Paris too for a concert in the early music festival of the Institut Néerlandais in the same weekend: Saturday 22, 16:30h, Rue de Lille 121 I'm coming with Michiel Niessen for our Terzi+ programme: Terzi duets with all sorts of everything mixed in: Dalza, Besard, Bach, Satoh, Flamenco and I'm sure I'm forgetting something. We'll bring three lutes each. (His all synthetics/wire wounds/nails/no-tuning, mine all-gut/no-nails/lots of tunign, for the string/technique nerds) On Sunday Fred Jacobs will come to play theorbo in the same festival. Here's the programme of all the goodies: http://www.institutneerlandais.com/index.php?nl-programmanewsdetail=20111021-49_13e-Festival-oude-muziek a bientot! David On 15 October 2011 14:22, BENJAMIN NARVEY luthi...@gmail.com wrote: Dear All, Just a note to say that I'll be playing a recital Sunday next, 23 October, at the Cave du 38 rue de Rivoli as part of the Festival Marin Marais. It is a nice (and new!) programme of de Visee and Weiss, all played on two sumptuously gut-strung instruments. Hope to see some of you there. As ever, Benjamin Informations, reservations : [1]http://fmad.pagesperso-orange.fr/festmarais.htm Adherent de l'association : entree libre Non adherent : 10 EUR d'adhesion valable pour tous les concerts du festival Association Caix d'Hervelois 58 rue Viollet le Duc 94210 La Varenne Tel : 01 48 83 60 09 -- [2]www.luthiste.com t [3]+33 (0) 1 44 27 03 44 p/m [4]+33 (0) 6 71 79 98 98 -- References Visible links 1. http://fmad.pagesperso-orange.fr/festmarais.htm 2. http://www.luthiste.com/ 3. tel:%2B33%20%280%29%201%2044%2027%2003%2044 4. tel:%2B33%20%280%29%206%2071%2079%2098%2098 Hidden links: 5. http://www.38riv.com/web/fiche_evt.php?num_evt=482m=2011-05page=1total=23 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl ***
[BAROQUE-LUTE] utterly OT: Vivaldi Stabat Mater VII Eja Mater measure 4: d or d-flat in viola/violin?
See subject line. Fierce discussion (understatement) in an orchestra here. Is there a facsimile or trustworthy edition that would bring the fights to an end, or at least to an arbitrated tuce? David -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Hendrik Hasenfuss
since June I am trying to get in touch with German lutemaker Hendrik Hasenfuss ([1]http://www.lauten.com), who made my Baroque lute What a cool string calculator he has on his website! David - happy owner of a Hasenfuss archlute -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] who was Mr. Foureroy?
In the De Visée pieces: La Muzette de Mr. Foureroy and La Venitienne de Mr. Foureroy. David -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Weiss for 11c
Am Dienstag, 26. Juli 2011, 18.06:44 schrieb Christopher Pearcy: As some-one who plays exclusively the French repertory, I'm now looking to explore Weiss a little. Can anyone let me know what the best Not a primary source, but inexpensive and (relatively) trouble-free: Silvius Leopold Weiss: Six sonatas for 11-course lute Selected and edited by Peter Lay The Lute Society 1994 I enjoy playing through that ediion when in need of some Weiss. Though I must say, putting the Dresden ms on my music stand and transposing basses as I go, works quite well for many of the pieces. David -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: The Lute Book of Jollas, Jollaksen luuttukirja
Thank you Arto! I love these personal collections. In good authentic spirit. David - also a fairly recent 11-course convert On 8 July 2011 12:41, wi...@cs.helsinki.fi wrote: Dear baroque lutenists, when there has been some major changes in my life, I thought it is perhaps time for an inventory of my efforts to learn the 11-course baroque lute. So I collected the music of the pieces I have sent to the tubes as a single pdf-lutebook. Mainly the music is in facsimile form. There are 85 pieces that I like a lot! Basically I made the book to myself - to find out, what I really have made and also to physically find the music once again... But perhaps there is some joy of the book also to others? I by myself might consider this as the lute book to be taken to a lonely island. :-) Here is the link http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/wikla/mus/11_courseLute/JollaksenLuuttukirja.pdf (size is about 6 M) Jollas is the beautiful place in Helsinki, where I was living until June. And there I have recorded all those pieces. That is why The Lute Book of Jollas, in Finnish Jollaksen luuttukirja. All the best, Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl ***
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Weiss concerto
On 2 July 2011 09:07, Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: I'm particularly impressed how the basses of the lute overshadow the cello in the tuttis... What we see is not what we hear, if you ask me. It feels like they're playbacking to a prerecorded track. Simple trick: listen to the sound and image where your ears have to be to get this balance. Closer to the lute than to the violins, and this is not about volume but about how direct the sound is iaw the balance between close mics and room mics. But lovely playing, obviously, and great setting with the lutenist standing in front. Reaching for those low fretted basses gave him a bit of a rock star posture. David *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Weiss concerto
On 2 July 2011 12:46, Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Indeed, this is what I was really getting at - sorry, I was trying to be ironic but clearly not obviously enough since it was missable! The modern strings were not (missable, that is), which is another part of their balance. David -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] De Visée 1716 title: la Du haut Menil translation?
Saizenay has La Du Hautmenil Anyboday out there that can supply a good translation? My French would render it into : Of the High Village. (as in Higher / Lower Villagename) David -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: De Visée 1716 title: la Du haut Menil translation?
Merci bien! Davíd du Pays-Bas On 6 June 2011 11:44, Jean-Daniel Forget jean-daniel.for...@orange.fr wrote: A mesnil was, in old french, a country domain. But, in this case, Du Haut Menil is an aristocratic surname. With la before, this appellation indicates a lady of the court. René Desmaires, Sieur du Hautmesnil, died by 1668, was a personality of Normandy. Jean-Daniel Forget Le 06/06/11 08:57, David van Ooijen a écrit : Saizenay has La Du Hautmenil Anyboday out there that can supply a good translation? My French would render it into : Of the High Village. (as in Higher / Lower Villagename) David To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl ***
[BAROQUE-LUTE] catalogue of modern lute music?
There was a catalogue of contemporary lute music, compiled by Toyohiko Satoh and Ireen Thomas, published by the Nederlandse Luitvereniging some 25 yers ago. Containing Early Music by now. ;-) Is there a new catalogue, or is someone keeping tracks of all the new compositions on an internetpage or something? There was (is ?) a German catalogue with peridodical (yearly?) installments. Does it still exist? David -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Marais with theorbo
On 28 April 2011 07:25, wi...@cs.helsinki.fi wrote: Beautiful and effective! Thanks David and Cassandra! And thanks to the guy with the mobile phone. He filmed and uploaded it without asking us (never noticed him in the concert). I came accross the video on YouTube while looking for something else (copied and put on my own channel, with permission of the gamba player this time ...). David http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HX7LqWAREY David -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] harmonics in lute music
It's more of a notation question: how are harmonics (are there any in historical lute music?) notated in tablature? I can think of a number of ways, mostly borrowed from guitar tabs, but I was wondering if there was/is consensus on this for lute tablature. David -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: French Baroque Lute Music from 1650-1700
On 20 December 2010 11:43, Jean-Marie Poirier jmpoiri...@wanadoo.fr wrote: Just a quick reminder for those who would like to gather real information on French Baroque lute music in the 17th century : Thank you for a good reading list! David -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** Available online as pdf files for 42$ (from France anyway, may be cheaper in the US?) from this address : http://disexpress.umi.com/dxweb Buch, David J. La rhétorique des dieux: A Critical Study of Text, Illustration, and Musical Style. Ph.D., Musicology, Northwestern University, 1983. DDM Code: 41snBucD; DA no.: 44/03:605; RILM no.: 83:457dd; UM no.: 83-15922 Cheney, Stuart Glenn. Variation Techniques in French Solo Instrumental Music, 1594-1689. Ph.D., Musicology, University of Maryland at College Park, 2002. xii, 206 p. tbls., facs., mus. exs., transcr., works lst., append., bibliog. Research director: Richard King DDM Code: 41cmCheS; DA no.: 63/06:2039; RILM no.: 02:14118dd; UM no.: 30-7 Rave, Wallace John. Some Manuscripts of French Lute Music 1630-1700: An Introductory Study. Ph.D., Musicology, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, 1972. 459 p. DDM Code: 41mcRavW; DA no.: 33/10:5769; RILM no.: UM no.: 73-10031 Torres, George. Seventeenth-Century Pièces de luth: An Examination of the Manuscript Anthology Tradition with a Special Emphasis on the Barbe Manuscript. Ph.D., Musicology, Cornell University, 1998. xvii, 363 p. tbls., facs., mus. exs., transcr., transl., works lst., thematic cat., append., bibliog. Research director: Don M. Randel DDM Code: 41mcTorG; DA no.: 59/07:2247; RILM no.: 99:23329dd; UM no.: 98-39895 Dunn, Alexander. Style and Development in the Theorbo Works of Robert de Visée: An Introductory Study. Ph.D., Musicology, University of California at San Diego, 1989. xv, 246 p. illus., tbls., facs., mus. exs., transcr., transl., ind. Research director: Bertram Turetzky DDM Code: 41snDunA; DA no.: 50/12:3789; RILM no.: 89:2409dd; UM no.: 90-13702 Prud'Homme, Bryan. A Source Study and Thematic Catalog of the Robert de Visée Theorbo Works. Ph.D., Musicology, University of Colorado at Boulder, 1992. vi, 503 p. bibliog. Research director: Alan Luhring DDM Code: 41snPruB; DA no.: 53/10:3406; RILM no.: 92:2708dd; UM no.: 93-04598 From Bristish universities : Ledbetter, David J. Harpsichord and Lute Music in Seventeenth-Century France. Ph.D., Musicology, Queen's, Oxford, 1985. Research director: Edward Higginbottom DDM Code: 41keLedD; DA no.: RILM no.: 88:2378bm; UM no.: Also published by : Bloomington: Indiana University Press; London: Macmillan, 1987. ISBN 0-3334-2755-6; British Library Document Supply Centre no. D58044/85. Spring, Matthew G. The Lute in England and Scotland after the Golden Age, 1620-1750. Ph.D., Musicology, Magdalen College, Oxford University, 1987. DDM Code: 41snSprM; DA no.: RILM no.: 91:2668dd; UM no.: Publication: British Library Document Supply Centre no. D77794. Also available as a book from Oxford University Press Rave's dissertation can be usefully completed by : Goy, François-Pierre. Les sources manuscrites de la musique pour luth sur les ACCORDS NOUVEAUX (vers 1624–vers 1710) : catalogue commenté. Edition augmentée en 2008 par Andreas Schlegel Free download (500 p) from : http://www.accordsnouveaux.ch/de/DownloadD/files/Abhandlung_Goy.pdf Good reading and that's a bit more than a starter on this fantastic subject. Best wishes and season's greetings to all ! Jean-Marie Poirier To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: French Baroque Lute Music from 1650-1700
On 18 December 2010 20:42, Jean-Marie Poirier jmpoiri...@wanadoo.fr wrote: I must confess I am very disappointed. This little book is much too expensive for what it is... I think price should not be considered in judgement; if it's good, any price is fine. The fact that a book, any book, on 1650-1700 Baroque lute music is written is laudable. That a publisher is willing to publish it is even more laudable. I am willing to pay just in the hope that more writers and publishers might consider writing and publishing more. So I paid the price and bought the book (Amazon in Germany had it cheaper than advertised on this list). Jean-Marie writes he is 'very disappointed'. I think he is being extremely polite. Original sources are quoted from secondary sources (modern writer X writes that 17th century writer Y wrote that ...), incomplete listings of things anybody who would be interested in buying the book in the first place knows already, pop-guitar terminology for French Baroque ornamentation (that was a lark, actually), no original insights or theories, guide lines on how to play Baroque lute music on an 11-string guitar ... need I go on? I didn't complain about the less than perfect English which indeed at times is obfuscating the point (is there a point) the writer is making. I am not a native speaker and I know my English is far from perfect, this e-mail being a good example, but still, in a publication like this pretens to be ... Having said all this, I still think any writers should be encouraged to write on 1650-1700 Baroque lute music, and publishers should be rewarded for publishing these books. But, only if these books have some real content. It's a pity this one misses the mark. Widely. David -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New Nylgut strings
2010/12/9 Edward Martin e...@gamutstrings.com As you probably know, I advocate gut. But, for nylgut lovers, this is a new, improved version. It seems to me the new Emperor's clothes have the colour of gut. ;-) David To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Fist steps on the b-lute
On 23 November 2010 07:57, Hilbert Jörg hilbert.jo...@t-online.de wrote: Dear list, a friend of mine is about to learn b-lute. I told him to order Sedura-Yisraels method, but it hasn’t arrived yet, so I am now looking for some other basic studies or easy pieces for the very first steps. Does anybody happen to have some copyright-free stuff as PDF or JPEG for me? Not for free, but not expensive either, is 'The Baroque Lute Companion' by Stefan Lundgren. Chapters on technique with exercises as well as translations of historical sources on technical and musical matters. And some 300 pages with graded pieces. Highly recommended. David -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Wenzel von Radolt
On 9 November 2010 06:45, Christopher Wilke chriswi...@yahoo.com wrote: ... viola soloist. Perhaps with gut strings on a historical instrument, there is some roughness of tone A fine understatement to start my day! If you ever had one of these honkers next to you in a Baroque ensemble, you know that a viola with gut strings is not a gentle instrument. A far cry from a modern instrument! David -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Wenzel von Radolt AND recording errors
On 9 November 2010 09:20, Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Vivaldi works: I couldn't help laughing aloud when the theorbo played a sort of theorbo concerto to accompany a slow movement and managed to drown out close to inaudibility both the orchestra and harpsichord! I have a recording of myself on archlute, with gentle accompaniment of trumpet and orchestra in what is supposed to be a trumpet concerto by Torelli. Ego boosting, indeed. ;-) David -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Hey! Hey! Hey! Re: Edition by Gusta Goldschmidt
Dear Gregorz Arhtur is right, I overlooked it! Coming Saturday is a members' day of the Dutch Lute Society. Shall I buy and send you a copy? It's probably quicker and easier than you going trhough all the 'official' channels. Let me know. David On 9 November 2010 23:58, A. J. Ness arthurjn...@verizon.net wrote: It's advertised on the Dutch Lute Society's web page. 8 Euros for members, 11 Euros for non-members. http://www.nederlandseluitvereniging.nl/page12.php Lots of other good things there, too. - Original Message - From: A. J. Ness arthurjn...@verizon.net To: Grzegorz Joachimiak gjoachim...@wp.pl; Baroque Lute List baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 5:27 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Edition by Gusta Goldschmidt There's a copy in the Royal Library (Koninkijke Bibliotheek) in The Hague. I searched some antiquarian dealers, but found no copy. (Alas I do not own a copy.) I think your best bet is the library in The Hague. Explain the topic of your reesearch, and they should immediately understand how directly related is their publication for your work. Maybe you could apply via the InterLibrarty Loan Department in Wroclaw. Good Luck, Grzegorz. Arthur, who fondly remembers his dear friend Gusta. - Original Message - From: Grzegorz Joachimiak gjoachim...@wp.pl To: Baroque Lute List baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 4:25 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Edition by Gusta Goldschmidt Dear friends, I have searched for some time an edition by Gusta Goldschmidt: Vijf suites voor twee elf korige Luiten uit Warszawa, Biblioteka Uniwersytecka, RM 4135 (Amsterdam : Nederlanse Luitvereniging, 1991). Does somebody tell me is it possible to buy or where I could find it? I wrote to library in Amsterdam but I didn't get a reply. Grzegorz To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl ***
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Richness of our repertoire!
On 20 October 2010 10:05, anthony.h...@noos.fr wrote: introduced me to the works of the Austrian Lauffen= steiner (same Toyohiko Satoh's most recent CD (2009) is all Lauffensteiner. David -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] OT wanted: dictionary for 17th century Italian
Can anybody with, or without, some experience give me some clues for a good dictionary for 17th century Italian? I have to translate Caccini et al., not everything is available in modern translations, and it is proving to be quite a challenge. All help welcome. David -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Bach facsimiles
Dear Goran I don't know about web-availability, but a good edition with all Bach for lute is: J. S. Bach - Opere per Liuto Edizione critica di Paolo Cherici Edizioni Suvini Zerboni (Milano, 1996) Introduction, facsimiles, modern scores, alternate versions. All in one book. David On 8 October 2010 09:37, G. Crona kalei...@gmail.com wrote: Dear all could you kindly point me toward the Bach lute facsimiles (especially those in tablature, but also in double clef) if available on the web as specified in this link? http://www.bach-cantatas.com/Ref/BWV995-1000-Ref.htm Kind Regards G. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl ***
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Chords for the baroque lute
Perrine (1680 and 1698) is the first to come to mind. Prague University Library (Ms. II Kk 51) is another. David On 31 August 2010 15:58, Stewart McCoy lu...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: I have been asked what sources there are (if any) which give a chart of chord shapes for the baroque lute, similar to the chord charts of Gaspar Sanz and others for the baroque guitar. Can anyone help? Stewart McCoy. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl ***
[BAROQUE-LUTE] wanted: French Prelude in e-minor for theorbo
Suggestions, anyone? Saizenay p. 306 is all I can come up with. David -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] d-minor theorbo specs
The definition of a lute player is an instrumentalist who's always one instrument short. For me, the current missing instrument is a d-minor theorbo. What should be the specs? I know there a few of you playing such beasts (Benjamin?). I'm looking for enough chromatics in the bass to play Bach continuo without too many compromises, St John Passion obligato part as written. Large enough for gut basses on the fretboard, small enough for highest course d'. First proposition on the fingerboard: d' - a - f - d - A - G - F diapassons: E - Eb - D - C - B - A - G Single or double strings? Model? Historical examples? Anyone with experience? David - where to find the money ... -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Looking for Denis Gaultier - Piè ces de luth (fac-simile)
2010/4/22 Luca Manassero l...@manassero.net: I am looking for Denis (et Ennemond) Gaultier Pièces de Luth fac-simile. If somebody has it and has time to scan it, it would be GREAT. Performers' Facsimiles - New York has it. Nr. 279 in the catalogue. Cheaper than Minkoff, too. :-) David -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Combining Lute and Classical Guitar Activities?!?!?!?
On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 3:23 AM, Oskar De Mari oskar_demari_jo...@hotmail.com wrote: proffesionals or high-level amatuers or who have managed to combine activities as a lutenists with continued classical guitar concertizing. I earn my living with lutes and guitars. Not modern, classical guitar but a 19th century instrument. I keep a string tension of 5 to 5,5kg per string for that guitar, and have gut on it. For a while I played with nails on all instruments, but I've changed to no-nails. Teaching guitar I do on a 20th century classical guitar with nylon and modern strings/tension. That is a little hard on the finger tips at times. I try to aim at an edge of protective nail on my teaching days, and absolutely short nails for the rest of the week. My nails grow fast. :-) As an aside. I have found that once you are able to make a sound you want, e.g. with no-nails on low-tension gut, you can emulate that sound pretty well on everything else: nails, high tension carbon, whatever. Mind over matter. I have colleagues who alternate periods of nails with periods of no-nails, depending on their concert schedules. I often bring a lute and a guitar to concerts for half/half programmes. Also in song recitals with singers. David - who thinks there's only one Julian Bream -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Autumn blossoming of the lute CD - reprint
I forgot to mention this on the Baroque lute list: The following CD has been reprinted and is available again. You can contact me, I will then pass the mail on to Ireen. Autumn blossoming of the lute lute music around 1750 Ireen Thomas - baroque lute Music from the transitional period between the baroque and classical eras, played on a copy of an instrument by J. C. Hoffman from 1730, made by Nico van der Waals in 1998. The music featured on this CD is by Johann Friedrich Daube (1730-1797): Sonatas in F-major e-minor and A-major, Rudolf Straube (1717-ca.1780): Sonata 11 G-major and Ferdinand Seidel (ca. 1705-?): Minuet 1, 2, 3, 4, 9 and 10. -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: B-Bc FA VI 10
A very, vey big thank you to all people involved in making this available. Well done! David PS: Whose vingers are those? On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 8:55 AM, Andreas Schlegel lute.cor...@sunrise.ch wrote: Hello Here's a link to a reproduction of B-Bc FA VI 10 including the research work of François-Pierre Goy and me on this manuscript. The text is written in Netherlands, French and German. If somebody would add an English translation, it would be very welcome. Please contact me. http://www.accordsnouveaux.ch/de/B-Bc_FA_VI_10/B-Bc_FA_VI_10.html Enjoy! Andreas To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl ***
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Lute obligatto in Ensemble, Diplomarbeit
On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 11:44 PM, ziv braha b_...@hotmail.com wrote: Nice list and thanks for sharing it. Off hand, there's another concerto by Fasch, this one for two Chaldecons (it's in in G. FWV L;G11 Dresden Sächsische Landesbibliothek, Mus 2423-O-18). Does your definition include Dalla Casa's Mandolin + Archlute pieces? I believe the Haydn pieces are arrangements by someone else. Would your list include Cantata's? If so there's BWV198 to include, and while you're at it St. John and St. Matthew, a _long_ passion by Gebel and St. Caecilia's ode by Handel/Mozart, but those are not chamber works, of course. David -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Lute obligatto in Ensemble, Diplomarbeit
Krebs - Concerto in C Krebs - Concerto in F (there are two different versions of the lute part) Both concertos are available in modern editions from Edizioni Suvini Zerboni. David -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] North American baroque?
I'm playing rather a lot of South American Baroque music these days, quite the fasion, but was wondering if there is any North American Baroque music? I'm not expecting any lute mss, but would be happy with some continuo songs for an upcoming recital. David -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: North American baroque?
On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 4:46 PM, Roman Turovsky r.turov...@verizon.net wrote: in solos and oggligatos you'd have plenty to choose from between Earl Christie and myself. With Earl living around the corner and you only a mouse click away, that will not be problem. I have to look up oggligato though. ;-) But I am looking for period Renaissance (why not) and Baroque music for voice and lute from North America. To complement the programme, or to give me more chance of finding something suitable, 19th century guitar songs are also welcome. David I'm playing rather a lot of South American Baroque music these days, quite the fasion, but was wondering if there is any North American Baroque music? I'm not expecting any lute mss, but would be happy with some continuo songs for an upcoming recital. David -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl ***
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: North American baroque?
On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 5:05 PM, Roman Turovsky r.turov...@verizon.net wrote: but I do know some really fine harpsichord works by the Wisconsin composer Grant Colburn, some of which I adapted for lute... Yes, born in 1966 if we have to believe the Wiki-page about him. David -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] b-lute debut
Like Arto, I have fallen for an 11-course. Mine is made by Richard Berg, after Burckholtzer/Edlinger. It's 68cm and strung, naturally, all-gut with Gamut Pistoys on the basses. Last Wednesday I had my first concert, all music by Weichenberger, and here are the clips I made yesterday: Chaconne in a-moll http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiQSWBxUSAg Allemande in d-moll http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsGDtKGXHsg Courante in d-moll http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oaC8Rc6Rm4 Sarabande in d-moll http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XQfBIt-AkI David - still a lot to learn, but not bad for a beginner. ;-) -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Re :b-lute debut
On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 11:54 AM, anthony.h...@noos.fr wrote: problem I have been finding most difficult is fitting the ornamentation in with the basic rhythmic structure. Write the ornaments out in rhythm. Start simple: two eight notes to divide one quarter. Or a quarter and and eight note to dive a dotted quarter. Then four sixteenth for one quarter. Play in time. Then try six 'sixtuplets' in one quarter. Play in time. Make that your starting point for a more free interpretation in which you can speed up or slow down the ornament. A metronome is a useful tool: set it on quarter or even eight notes to practice the ornament in strict rhythm. Take your time, practice slowly, speed will come later. Set the metronome at half measure (or whatever is appropriate in the piece) to practice the freedom in the ornament after which you should land on the beat again. Practice slowly and precisely, play fast and freely. David -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Ferdinand Seidel
Ireen Thomas has recorded these on her CD 'Autumn Blossoming of the Lute'. Sadly it is out of print. I'll tell her you asked about it, as we (the LGS at www.lgs-japan.org see the CD by members page) receive more enquiries after her CD. Perhaps she can be tempted to issue a second print, or have it put op by Magnatune or CD-Baby. David On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 1:43 PM, theoj89...@aol.com wrote: All: I have been told that the baroque lute minuets by Ferdinand Seidel have been recorded by an Irene Thompson or Thomas? Does anyone know of this recording, if is still available (and where to order), or have a contact to the artist/website? Thanks in advance, ted jordan USA -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl ***
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Testing the Q3
On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 11:31 PM, wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi wrote: One result of the test seems to be the need of daylight. In darkness let mee dwell ... When recording video with my (normal photo)camera I switch on all the lights, bring in the reading light from the living room and place a spot next to the camere pointing straight at me. It gets quite hot and I need to tune a lot, and air my study in between sessions, but it does improve the video quality _a lot_. Sunlight is nice, but gives rather too sharp a contrast for my camera to handle well; everything not in direct sunlight looks as if deep in shadows. David -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Reusner comparison
On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 11:06 PM, Daniel Shoskes dshos...@mac.com wrote: I preferred the sound/recording of the 11-course. David -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: A triple test?
Well done, Arto! You manage your new 11-course well. It is a different animal, I agree, in many ways. The sound is really quite rough. Hard to judge from YouTube, but yesterday my fellow lute player in the Maria Vespers brought his new Zoom-Q3, and I saw camera and microphone are all in the same 'box', so there's no chance of putting the microphones where you'd like to put them for optimum sound recording. And I think the gain/recording level settings are quite basic, so these two things combined might add to the sound quality, more than your strings or your playing; rest assured. You might want to do some testing for optimum distance of the microphone by only recording your sound. PS 1: It really is dark in wintertime here in Finland We know, and are impatiently waiting for your Finnish Christmas-links. PS 2: I just wait, how 62Konrad will comment... ;-) I was called 'talented' by a 19-year old lad with a guitar, lately. That made my day! ;-) David - will upload something on his new 11-course next month -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: D-minor tuning and ET? Remedy?
On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 4:03 PM, Mathias Rösel mathias.roe...@t-online.de wrote: I obviously failed to get Kirnberger III as a joke. The running gag here tends to be Jaegermeister III. David - in a country where too many people tune Werckmeister III and Jaegermeister is a strong alcoholic beverage -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: D-minor tuning and ET?
On Dec 13, 2009, at 9:14 AM, Roman Turovsky wrote: Once you put your fingers on the strings in MT: the comma is no longer what it is supposed to be. I see, as opposed to ET-fretting, where, once you put your fingers on the strings, everything is still A-ok ... ? David *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: String tensions etc. in d-m-lutes, esp. 11c.?
Hi Arto Congratulations on the 11-course. I'm new to it as well, recieved mine last month. This is what I did with strings, and am happy with it so far: 68cm a'=415Hz, all Gamut-gut 1) 0.40 treble gut 2) 0.46 treble gut 3) 0.54 treble gut (twice) 4) 0.66 treble gut (twice) 5) 0.78 treble gut (twice) 6) 0.54 treble gut 1.08 Pistoy 7) 0.60 treble gut 1.22 Pistoy 8) 0.68 treble gut 1.36 Pistoy 9) 0.74 treble gut 1.48 Pistoy 10) 0.80 treble gut 1.62 Pistoy 11) 0.92 treble gut 1.82 Pistoy So far my best tone is pretty close to the bridge. No wonder with these low tension strings. 4) Any other important issues and advice in stringing a d-m-lute, especially 11c.? Spacing on the nut. Make sure there's enough room between basses and octaves when using low tension gut. I'm still struggling to find the best spacing for 6 and 7, as these need space between bass and octave to prevent rattling, but also need to be fingered a lot, so not too much space bewteen bass and octave. Higher tension is another solution. ;-) Enjoy! David -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Tombeau for Logy for Theorbo?
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 1:06 PM, Arto Wiklawi...@cs.helsinki.fi wrote: that transcribing it to other medium would not make justice to the piece. Thanks everybody for all the help. I've told my theorbo-only friend to make his own arrangement, or buy a baroque lute. Slightly off-topic, I must say I have very fond memories of the piece from my guitar days; I had what felt to me like a good arrangement. Not so off-topic: Some barqoue music is found in versions for baroque lute and theorbo (notably music by De Visée). Are there period theorbo transcriptions/arrangements of German baroqule lute music? David - curious -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Tombeau for Logy for Theorbo?
To the collected wisdom Is there a theorbo version of the Tombeau de Comte de Logy? David -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Goethe and the lute
On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 12:38 PM, Roman Turovskyr.turov...@verizon.net wrote: Yes. BUT. Reichardt the elder's music was in the Ms. that went missing from Königsberg during WW2. Reichardt the younger whote some music for his father, it is missing as well. A pity. The latter was an adherent of the principle of neoclassical simplicity (often bordering on minimalism). So the handicap opinion is cretinous. No doubt, though the Grove has a little more to say. Luckily just as opiniated, by the way. ;-) A lot of JFR's songs adapt to baroque lute fairly easily, and you'll find these in the usual http://polyhymnion.org/lieder/german.html place. I did find these, thanks. David From: David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com On a related issue: did father Johann (1720–1780) or son Johann Friedrich Reichardt (1752 – 1814) leave any compositions for lute? Both were musicians/composers and played the lute. The son was befriended with Goethe, and the Grove has this to say about Johann Friedrich: a good lutenist and singer to his own lute accompaniment but also: he remained handicapped in some aspects of composition technique all his life. The works listing has nothing for lute, but it might have overlooked some mss. So, any of his handicapped compositions with lute accompaniment left for us to play? David -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl ***
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Sarabande in Brno
I am overwhelmed! So many reactions! So soon! So complete! Thank you all! Thank you all very much! Thank you all very, very much! All I can offer in return is a small step for a lutenist, but hopefully a little bigger step for the lute community. There's a concordance I didn't find in any of the lists before, although I am aware that some of you already know about this, so it's not a new discovery. Göttweig Ms. Lautentabulatur nr. 2, piece nr 57 on folio 28r is Allemande Laufenstein. this piece is also in Harrach but what I didn't know yet is that it's also in Brno Ms. 746 / A. 372 nr.8 folio 7, where it an anonymus Allemande Discovering that it made me very happy last night. David On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 8:44 PM, David van Ooijendavidvanooi...@gmail.com wrote: I'm trying to track down a Sarabande in F-major. Here are the possible candidates. If someone has acces to one or more of these mss. (especially the mss from Brno!) and is willing to scan and send the pages in question I'd be more than grateful. Brno Ms. Inv. 745 / A. 371 nr 66 fol 50 Sarab: in F-dur Brno Ms. Inv. 746 / A. 372 nr 8 fol 7 Allemande F-dur nr 9 fol 8 Sarab. F-dur Göttweig Ms. nr. 1 nr 60 fol 53v Sarabande F-dur nr 62 fol 55r Sarabande. Quand' une belle F-dur Göttweig Ms. nr. 2 nr 65 fol 31r Sarabande (Graf Bergen) F-dur David -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: b-lute mss catalogue incipits?
2009/7/29 Grzegorz Joachimiak gjoachim...@wp.pl: An open question. Would it be feasible, given all the goodwill of the people on this list and all the mss they have stashed away, to provide the wonderful on-line catalogue of Manuscripts for Baroque Lute by Peter Steur and Markus Lutz (hear hear!) with incipits of all the entries? I think that is great idea. If I could help with b-lute mss from Poland .. By the way I have second an open question. What do you think about notifing concern work on the some project, for example like preparing this big b-lute mss catalogue? I think this information will be helpful to escape make a duplicate. Yes, that was why I called it an open question and not a proposal. If I really want this thing, I could simply start with it. But I'm sure more people would be happy with the result, and would be happy to cooperate. But first, it's up to Peter and Markus to decide if and how they would like to see this incorporated in their magnum opus. It's all very well if we all send in our Django/Fronimo/GuitarPro/Finale/Sibelius/pdf/jpg of the few first measures of some manuscript we happen to have on our shelves, but when they decide on acii tab or tiff-scan after all, it's giving them a lot of trouble. And everybody working on Saizenay at the same time is not very porductive either. An inventory of what's already out there (e.g. De Visée thematical index, Austrian lute mss index) What's the url of your Weiss-site, so we can have a look? David -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Sarabande in Brno
I'm trying to track down a Sarabande in F-major. Here are the possible candidates. If someone has acces to one or more of these mss. (especially the mss from Brno!) and is willing to scan and send the pages in question I'd be more than grateful. Brno Ms. Inv. 745 / A. 371 nr 66 fol 50 Sarab: in F-dur Brno Ms. Inv. 746 / A. 372 nr 8 fol 7 Allemande F-dur nr 9 fol 8 Sarab. F-dur Göttweig Ms. nr. 1 nr 60 fol 53v Sarabande F-dur nr 62 fol 55r Sarabande. Quand' une belle F-dur Göttweig Ms. nr. 2 nr 65 fol 31r Sarabande (Graf Bergen) F-dur David -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: hasse opera arias lute ms.
On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 9:23 PM, howard posnerhowardpos...@ca.rr.com wrote: sometimes used their 13s for continuo even if they said otherwise. r. Did anyone actually say they didn't? See Prague university library Ms. II Kk 51, or Perrine, of course, or the statements by Weiss and Baron about d-minor continuo. They said they did, so probably they did indeed. Benjamin Narvey wrote a nice article about in the news letter of the American Lute Society. I've just begun writing a method for d-minor continuo. Initially to be published asa series of lessons in Nostalgia, the news letter of 'our' Japanese Lute and Early Guitar Society (LGS), but it will be available on-line eventually. Perhaps I'll make a printed version if there is demand. David -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Hofkammerat
How does it translate in English, or what does it mean? Was it an hororay title, or did it involve actual work at court, and if so what? This is connection to Lauffensteiner, who was appointed Hofkammerat for his services to the Bavarian court. David -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Hofkammerat
On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 9:33 AM, David van Ooijendavidvanooi...@gmail.com wrote: How does it translate in English, or what does it mean? Was it an hororay title, or did it involve actual work at court, and if so what? This is connection to Lauffensteiner, who was appointed Hofkammerat for his services to the Bavarian court. .. honorary ... .. in connection with ... What's with all the typos this morning? David - needs coffee David -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Inoltra: A new Webpage with Manuscript Contents for Baroque Lute
the arrival of a new Web-Page, dedicated to the Manuscripts for Baroque Lute, their content and the concordances between them./DIV DIVAt present more than 170 manuscripts are described, and several features are available: browsing through single manuscripts, looking through all of them, searching by Key, by Composer, by Country, and more will be forthcoming (with time) in the future./DIV DIVOf course, the site is in continuous improvement (hopefully!) and contributions and/or suggestions from anybody are heartily accepted./DIV DIVnbsp;/DIV DIVWe (Markus and myself) hope that this work will be usefull to everybody interested in the baroque lute, and we will continue to update and expand its contents whenever possible./DIV DIVnbsp;/DIV DIVPlease, enjoy, and spread the word!/DIV DIV id=INCREDISIGNATUREID DIVnbsp;/DIV DIVIMG id=rem_INCREDI_SIGIMG src=cid:2CAF4497-48D8-4813-80A0-2D16FF2AF831/DIV DIV style=FONT-FAMILY: Times New RomanPeter P.M. Steur/DIV/DIV/DIV/TD/TR TR TD id=INCREDIFOOTER width=100% TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=100% TBODY TR TD width=100%/TD TD id=INCREDISOUND vAlign=bottom align=middle/TD TD id=INCREDIANIM vAlign=bottom align=middle/TD/TR/TBODY/TABLE/TD/TR/TBODY/TABLESPAN id=IncrediStampA href=http://www.incredimail.com/index.asp?id=109341amp;rui=95898138;SPAN border=0 name=imgCacheIMG alt=Animazioni GRATUITE per le tue e-mail - da IncrediMail! Fai clic qui! src=cid:34B5381E-5908-4F4C-BA6D-CAA384958036 border=0/SPAN/A/SPAN/BODY/HTML --Boundary-00=_AM4Q3EL5BHK0-- -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl ***
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Music Morality
Good luck! I'm sorry I cannot be there. Sounds really interesting. David On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 8:41 PM, Benjamin Narveyluthi...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry, let's try sending that abstract again in a legible format! Hope to see some of you there. If any problems persist in reading this, just click on programme on the link I gave earlier. As ever, Benjamin BENJAMIN NARVEYHonest Music: The Case of the Seventeenth-Century French Lute If morality can be understood to be a code of social conduct, then French lute music of the Grand Siecle presents us with an intriguing example of how music can function as a moral agent. In the wake of the civil war known as the Fronde (1648-53), the traditional French nobility amongst whom the lute counted as a favourite instrument re-invented itself in a bid to preserve its challenged status through a code of social forms and manners they called honnetete: literally honesty. This term at once evokes morality, but as we shall see, it is also intricately linked to contemporary discourses of power, representation, rhetoric, and artistic taste (bon gout). In fact, many of the musical forms found in French lute music,and many of the luthistes playing techniques and compositional strategies, are directly linked to this moral code of honest courtly conduct to the point thatmuch of the lute repertoire proves uncommonly dependent on honesty for its coherence as an art form. Where from the view of modern common practice tonality this repertoire often appears to lack the very components that render musical discourse intelligible (its harmonies often seem aimless, there is not always a continuous or definable melody, and rhythms can be displaced well beyond the bounds of normative hypermetricity), a reading of this repertoire through the lens of honnetete shows how French lute music functioned as a classic moral performance, since it reproduced contemporary social conduct through artistic experience. Thus, the case of the French lute serves to highlight the interdependence between contemporary ethics and aesthetics, and thereby provides a useful example of how music can be linked to moral sensibilities. Benjamin Narvey is professional lutenist and a post-doctoral fellow at the Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes (Sorbonne) working on a critical edition of the lute music of Robert de Visee (c.1660-c.1732). In 2008, Benjamin was the winner of the Goldberg Musical Essay Competition. -- Dr Benjamin A. Narvey Post-doctorant/Post-Doctoral Fellow Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes (Sorbonne) IVe Section des Sciences historiques et philologiques t +33 (0) 1 44 27 03 44 p/m +33 (0) 6 71 79 98 98 Site web/Website: [1]www.luthiste.com -- References 1. http://www.luthiste.com/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl ***
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Dutch theorbo painting online
On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 12:12 AM, chriswi...@yahoo.com wrote: In all seriousness - WERE there even left handed people around at this time and in this culture? Recorders had double holes at the foot, allowing for dexterity as well as sinister playing. The holes you didn't use had to be filled with wax. Other than that, I know of no musical instruments for left handed people. David -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Dutch theorbo painting online
On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 2:20 PM, theoj89...@aol.com wrote: Sotheby's New York will be auctioning a Dutch painting of a theorbo gamba (the woman doesn't appear to know how to hold a theorbo I'd call that a Dutch-head lute or possibly English theorbo, but what's far more interesting: she's holding the instrument left-handedly, right hand crossing all the diapassons, and is rather in the way of the gentleman's bow. But the doggy knows what it's all about: a pretty girl with a lute! Great painting, thanks for diverting my attention from tax paper (nearly finished!) to something else. David there are interesting f-holes on the gamba) LOT 45 ADRIAEN VAN DER WERFF, EGLON HENDRICK VAN DER NEER ADRIAEN VAN DER WERFF, KRALINGEN-AMBACHT 1659 - 1722 ROTTERDAM; EGLON HENDRICK VAN DER NEER, AMSTERDAM CIRCA 1634 - 1703 DÜSSELDORF A LADY PLAYING THE LUTE AND A GENTLEMAN WITH A VIOLA DA GAMBA It can be seen at: http://www.sothebys.com/app/live/lot/LotDetail.jsp?lot_id=159539118 Estimated price 100,000 - 150,000 dollars US Good luck bidding! trj -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl ***
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Nylgut fret strings
On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 11:10 PM, Mathias Rösel mathias.roe...@t-online.de wrote: Do not use nylgut for frets, use gut. Should read: do not use nylgut. Full stop. David - couldn't resist ;-) -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Studien zur Musikwissenschaft
Does anyone in the collected wisdom happen to know where I could find a copy of this article on lutenists Berhandtzky and Lauffensteiner? R. Flotzinger: 'Rochus Berhandtzky und Wolff Jacob Lauffensteiner. Zum Leben und Schaffen zweier Lautenisten in kurbayerischen Diensten', Studien zur Musikwissenschaft, xxvii (1966), 200-40 any help much, much appreciated David -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Studien zur Musikwissenschaft
What would I do without my friends on the lute list: nothing! Thank you all. Not only do I now know the article actually is in the Royal Library in The Hague (I live in The Hague but missed it in the catalogue, guess what: my wife didn't ...), but I received a pdf from one of you. The library was closed today, so I can continue my studies this very evening. Thank you all. David On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 1:50 PM, David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com wrote: Does anyone in the collected wisdom happen to know where I could find a copy of this article on lutenists Berhandtzky and Lauffensteiner? R. Flotzinger: 'Rochus Berhandtzky und Wolff Jacob Lauffensteiner. Zum Leben und Schaffen zweier Lautenisten in kurbayerischen Diensten', Studien zur Musikwissenschaft, xxvii (1966), 200-40 any help much, much appreciated David -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl ***
[BAROQUE-LUTE] damping of basses
Could it be that the damping of bass strings for baroque lute, to which much attention is given in many if not all modern methods for the baroque lute, is a 20th century phenomenon that has to do with modern bass strings? Or are there historical sources mentioning this practice? David - happy 2009 to all. Here's my card: http://home.planet.nl/~ooije006/david/homepage_p.html -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: damping of basses
Sorry, to the wrong list. I answered automatically without checking to which list. So here's goes again, apologies if you receive it twice. Thanks to all for their quotes from historical sources. My immediate question is answered, but I welcome an ongoing discussion, of course. there is one explicit mention of damping in Mace (1676). He indicates the damping of a note with two small dots before it., and calls this effect Tut. The tut is a Grace always with the Right hand ... strike your Letter, (which you intend shall be so Grac'd) with one of your Fingers, and immediately clap on your next striking Finger, in doing you suddenly take away the sound of the Letter ... Mace Sounds to me like an indication for staccato. can't believe that harpsichordists used damping and sustain, but that lutists completely ignored this practice. Of course, as Chris also pointed out, articulating lines is indispensable in good music making. My question was about historical evidence for the emphasis on the technique of damping basses in modern baroque lute methods. There does not seem to be much. To me, this looks like one of the modern practices in early music: modern strings inviting modern techniques. It's hard to get back. Like position of the right hand. Or double versus single first course. Inappropriate uses of appropriate temperaments and vice versa, continuo playing on good-for-all equals appropriate-for-nothing instruments (did I mention baroque guitars in Bach?), standards of 392, 415 and 466 for baroque music, the fashion to poppify a lot of baroque continuo bands, c. I'm not complaining about it or accusing anybody, only observing what I'm part of; we're not as hip as we could or should be, there's a lot of early music Esperanto going on. David -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Music in accords nouveaux
On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 8:28 AM, Andreas Schlegel lute.cor...@sunrise.ch wrote: Dear lute friends Finally the work of François-Pierre Goy on the accords nouveaux is easily accessible! We made a homepage with some very important files: Wow, so much work, all for us to enjoy! Thank you for such a nice Christmas present! David -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: I would appreciate som help with my research :)
2. What is Moillement? It appears in de Visés guitar books and I have not found any clear definition of this embellishment. I understood this as the vibrato as a cat mewing. Compare chevrement, like a goat. David To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
