Re: add bbdb-mail-aliases to bbdb-insinuate-gnus?

2014-05-22 Thread Roland Winkler
On Thu May 22 2014 Eric Abrahamsen wrote:
  There is already a skeleton on savannah, volunteers welcome.
  I do request that contributors assign their copyright to the FSF
  (I believe you already have).
 
 I've seen that, but I guess by skeleton I meant not a texi file
 outline, but a general topic outline for the manual. It's harder to get
 started when you're staring at a blank page... But if that's what there
 is, that'll do as well.

So far, I did not find the time to familiarize myself in more detail
with writing a texi info manual.  So up to now the skeleton is what
it is.  As I said, volunteers welcome.

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Re: add bbdb-mail-aliases to bbdb-insinuate-gnus?

2014-05-20 Thread Roland Winkler
On Tue May 20 2014 Eric Abrahamsen wrote:
 I don't know enough about the auto-update stuff to say. It never made a
 whole lot of sense to me, requiring both (bbdb-initialize 'gnus) and
 (bbdb-mua-auto-update-init 'gnus), because I can't really imagine
 wanting one but not the other. Are you proposing an equivalent:
 
 (bbdb-initialize 'gnus 'gnus-auto-update)

I expect something like the following to be more common

   (bbdb-initialize 'gnus 'message-auto-update)

This way the auto-update is all in all less aggressive.

 Or something like that? There are so many other options
 controlling how messages are scanned, it seems like you could
 leave out initializing the auto-update stuff entirely and just let
 users play with bbdb-mua-auto-update-p.

As usual, I guess this is a matter of taste.

 How many people are using multiple MUAs?

From BBDB's perspective everyone uses two, one for incoming and one
for outgoing messages.

 Also, does anyone have a bbdb.texi file underway? If there was even a
 skeleton TOC in the repository, it would make it easier to start tossing
 in bits and pieces of documentation.

There is already a skeleton on savannah, volunteers welcome.
I do request that contributors assign their copyright to the FSF
(I believe you already have).

Roland

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Re: add bbdb-mail-aliases to bbdb-insinuate-gnus?

2014-05-19 Thread Roland Winkler
On Mon May 19 2014 Eric Abrahamsen wrote:
 For a year or more I've been mildly curious about why mail aliases
 didn't work in BBDB -- nothing ever expanded. I finally tried to
 figure out why, and realized you have to manually call
 `bbdb-mail-aliases' in order to make it work.
 
 It seems like this is something that should happen on
 (bbdb-initialize 'gnus), doesn't it? Inside `bbdb-insinuate-gnus'
 (or somewhere else appropriate) couldn't we check to see if any
 records have a mail-alias field, and automatically set up the
 mail aliases, if so? I'd be happy to provide a patch.

Thanks, I have never thought about this.  Already with BBDB v2 it
was necessary to initialize mail-aliases via a function to be put
into mail-setup-hook (then possily called differently from
bbdb-mail-aliases).

I guess this can be handled by bbdb-initialize.  But this feature
is really separate from the other ones handled by bbdb-initialize
and I am hesitant to provide packaged solutions where some
initialization intends to address several unrelated issues.

So probably this should be handled by a separate arg for
bbdb-initialize.

While there are lots of different and unrelated features that can be
initialized, it is probably good to provide one common way of
initializing them (and also documenting them in the docstring of
bbdb-initialize).  So it might also be good to make
bbdb-mua-auto-update-init obsolete, but instead handle all these
features by different args for bbdb-initialize.

Roland

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add bbdb-mail-aliases to bbdb-insinuate-gnus?

2014-05-18 Thread Eric Abrahamsen
For a year or more I've been mildly curious about why mail aliases
didn't work in BBDB -- nothing ever expanded. I finally tried to figure
out why, and realized you have to manually call `bbdb-mail-aliases' in
order to make it work.

It seems like this is something that should happen on (bbdb-initialize
'gnus), doesn't it? Inside `bbdb-insinuate-gnus' (or somewhere else
appropriate) couldn't we check to see if any records have a mail-alias
field, and automatically set up the mail aliases, if so? I'd be happy to
provide a patch.

Eric


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