Re: [bcop] Community statement

2016-05-30 Thread Benno Overeinder
Hi Sander,

On 30/05/16 15:48, Sander Steffann wrote:
>> Thanks for coordinating this and making this statement at the closing
>> plenary session.
> 
> Unfortunately the plenary didn't accept the statement as a community 
> statement/resolution as-is. The good news is that the reason for that is that 
> they wanted a stronger statement :) Ruediger Volk was the person stating that 
> on the microphone during the plenary, and he offered to help improve the 
> language. I talked to Hans Petter Holen about what to do next, and he 
> suggested taking this to the ripe-list so we can get consensus there and 
> still turn this into a community-wide supported statement, which I think is 
> important.
> 
> I suggest Ruediger and I work on the text and then take it straight to the 
> ripe-list. Doing word-smithing first in BCOP and then on the ripe-list will 
> probably double the work, and as the BCOP task force already had consensus on 
> the old version I'd like to take this directly to the superset :-)
> 
> Do you agree with this plan?

I was happy to hear that the plenary supported the idea, but asked for a
stronger wording of the statement.

The procedure you suggested makes sense to me.

Best,

- Benno

-- 
Benno J. Overeinder
NLnet Labs
http://www.nlnetlabs.nl/



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Re: [bcop] Community statement

2016-05-30 Thread Sander Steffann
Hi,

> Thanks for coordinating this and making this statement at the closing
> plenary session.

Unfortunately the plenary didn't accept the statement as a community 
statement/resolution as-is. The good news is that the reason for that is that 
they wanted a stronger statement :) Ruediger Volk was the person stating that 
on the microphone during the plenary, and he offered to help improve the 
language. I talked to Hans Petter Holen about what to do next, and he suggested 
taking this to the ripe-list so we can get consensus there and still turn this 
into a community-wide supported statement, which I think is important.

I suggest Ruediger and I work on the text and then take it straight to the 
ripe-list. Doing word-smithing first in BCOP and then on the ripe-list will 
probably double the work, and as the BCOP task force already had consensus on 
the old version I'd like to take this directly to the superset :-)

Do you agree with this plan?

Cheers,
Sander



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Re: [bcop] Community statement

2016-05-26 Thread Sander Steffann
Hi Jan,

> Since I can't find Benno *and* there are voices of support *and* this
> stuff needs to be presented tomorrow morning I will dare to call a
> consensus.
> 
> I think that the text in current form is a good message.

Great! In that case I will submit it for the closing plenary right now :)

Cheers,
Sander



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Re: [bcop] Community statement

2016-05-26 Thread Jan Zorz
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On 26/05/16 17:32, Sander Steffann wrote:
> Hi,
> 
>> Yes, it is ok with me.
> 
> Thanks
> 
>> I might suggest adding a sentence:
>> 
>> ... can built their future on. It is not sustainable to build an
>>  IPv4-only network today. The only way to survive ...
>> 
>> Mainly to introduce the word "sustainable" which is a keyword
>> for the audience that I am thinking about.
> 
> It already has the word "sustainable" a bit further down. In order 
> not to complicate the consensus decision for the chairs I would 
> prefer not to change the text now.

Hey,

Since I can't find Benno *and* there are voices of support *and* this
stuff needs to be presented tomorrow morning I will dare to call a
consensus.

I think that the text in current form is a good message.

Cheers and thnx, Jan
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