Re: Jane 's information
I would also like to be on the distribution list Thanks, Stacey Rossi = @@@ Stacey Elin Rossi [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://zip.to/anaserene @@@ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
Re: BD News/Dr.Thomas Cowan/Guelph/Toronto
Roughly translated means if i spend an extra 50 bucks a month on my internet connection and put a decent computer on it, I can listen to the tapes - tempting - yes - affordable ? not till it rains some! We would go from 26 k to 256k line speed LCharles OK Bandwidth works two ways. It's helpful to know your point of view. However, you should still be able to listen to these files, even on your 26kb connection by adjusting your buffering rate. It's like drip irrigating from a 1,000 gallon tank that you've got spaghetti seeping into 24 hours a day. If you can buffer far enough ahead, you shouldn't notice the slowness as you actually buffer. It's that waiting for the buffer to fill after the buffer has been set to the right size that we need to adjust. I'm not, however, getting enough feedback from the list to know what steps need to be taken to correct these problems. I'm no internet audio whiz. What would be most helpful is if people would talk to their ISPs and/or the RealAudio people to get suggestions for improving the playability of these files. Thanks -Allan
Re: CT=BDcompost,preps+Alaska humus, forest humus kelp
THIS IS PRIVATE TO THIS LIST first off, Merla - Are you really applying for organic certification Secondly, Will Brinton's statement was that for the purpose of colonzing leaves to reduce foliar disease, BC was adequate: as stirred according to directions. He feels that the whole 'CT brewer' stuff is pointless, since you don't really NEED more microbes than you're starting with with something like CT. Implicit in many comments made by Vicki Bess and Will is the idea that microbial labs do not really know as much about the teas they sample as we would believe. They can only tell part of the story at any time. And, being human, will see what they want to see. A secondary statement by both Bess and Brinton - - as I understood it - - is that brewing with additional foods selects microbials that thrive on the particular foods. OK, that's the point of foods, right? Brinton and Bess are saying that everyone knows that compost is good for the soil and will remediate foliar disease. Feeding compost in a brewer cannot, however, increase the populations of ALL the microbes, only those that do well on the foods. For this reason, brewed CT is NOT more powerful compost in liquid form, is a distortion of the original compost. That said, maybe it's a good distortion SOME TIMES but Bess and Brinton, as I understood them, were saying that traditional ways of making CT ( in a barrel, stirred daily) or simply using BC as your spray, will if nothing else give you as good of benefit without all the expense and hassle. Never forget that aerobic CT started as an industry and continues to grow as an industry. witness your post to see the effects that this industry pressure can bring forth!
Please Read Jame's Brilliant Post
I'm reposting this post because it cuts to the heart of the globalnews issue. I think there is some very good advice here and I hope it will be taken to heart. -Allan snip As for the question of sending off subject posts to BDnow I think that when you try and set guidelines as to what can and cannot be discussed on the list you set yourself up for some very acrimonious discussion and censorship. If Biodynamics is what was taught by Rudolf Steiner in the Agriculture Course, it only stands to reason that you would not discuss the use of compost teas, or many other subjects, because that is not BD. If you look through the last 200 posts from BDnow you will find that there are probably only 7-8% of the posts refer to BD preps or their use. The rest refer to all manner of subjects. Personally I find that the beauty of the list is the diversity of subjects discussed and the depth of intellectual thought and energy that goes into most of the posts. If there is something that is not interesting to me it is deleted. Because I do not find something interesting does not mean that is reason to complain, and stop someone else from having the benefit of a post that may enlighten someone else. The list and it's effectiveness is in the sense of building community amongst the list members. If a few hundred members of the list cannot show tolerance to each other, and allow that the opinions of other members have merit, we may as well all go home to the weapons of mass distraction and forget about trying to make the world a better place. As adherents of the teachings of RS we owe the world more than to bicker amongst ourselves over what form of censorship should be applied, whether it is to Jane or anybody else. Have rules certainly, Allan's life would be hell if he did not have some rules to guide him by, but don't let the rules discriminate against anybody. Heaven knows, that Allan would be the last to want the right to censor any post as to whether it is likely to offend some people. Many times we are inept at trying to express what our aims and values are, this is where the ideas and words of someone else can help to develop concepts and ideas. Let us be tolerant to each other as we all try to develop this community which is BDnow. Go well, James Hedley
Re: Los Alamos Laboratories pollution.
It is something we will probably hear much more about in the years to come unless some brilliant minds put an end to this death lust for radioactive energy sources. As for radionics, if it is true, as mentioned on the list, that electrical wires can interfere with radionic broadcast, how can one even use them here in most areas of the US, where there is a congestion and confluence of wires, power stations and the like? I will forward your post to Curtis who will be quicker at locating satellite photos for you. We have some friends who are artists who twenty years ago started working with satellite photos in their work. One of whom has been sounding an alarm and doing map pieces about the upcoming wars, based not only on oil reserves, but on water and geographical meanderings of rivers. Many of his shows and much of his work has been censored here in the US and he more often has receptions in Europe. Blessings, Jane PS: Is anyone on this list or a Permaculture list that you know of who is from New Mexico? If you're/we're going to do such an experiment, it would be good to work with someone from the area as well, no? From: James Hedley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 20:46:31 +1100 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Los Alamos Laboratories pollution. It is very bad news to hear of such a degree of radioactive pollution levels as those from Los Alamos Laboratories. it would be interesting to try a radionic broadcast over long period of time based on a satellite photograph. There are several radionic rates to try. If you send a satellite photograph of the area I will set up the necessary protocols and then we shall see what happens. No guarantees but an interesting experiment.
Bandwidth
Bellsouth provides DSL internet connection at 1.47Mbs $45/month. Its great. They paid for USB modem using rebates. John Buckley
Re: Jane 's information
I agree, Allan. I subscribe to those lists as well. But I also agree with James Hedley's earlier post, about the value in diverse communications and building a community (and the ease of hitting delete when uninterested in a particular post). The bd list feels very much like a precious community, exploring, from the perspective of subtle energies (or however one would describe it), more than one phenomenon, but primarily agriculture. I would not like to see the list become overrun with issues diverging from agricultural biodynamics, but I think it's essential to not lose sight of wider related issues. Best and with great appreciation for the bd list, Essie At 08:00 AM 02/04/03 -0500, you wrote: Boy, Martha, I'm lost. Why don't interested people simply subscribe to globalnews and new york times like Jane and I do already? What's the gain in having a filter? -Allan
GlobalNews Sub info
GlobalNews is a private mailing list devoted to discussion of the issues, news and events that are creating tomorrow's news today. Geo-politics, global financial markets, electronic commerce, the Internet, environmental concerns and spiritual transformation at the Millennium. Members only, with messages distributed directly to the group. This means the host Curtis Lang is not pre-screening messages, although that may change as the needs of the group change over time. For now, let's treat this as a chat in Curtis' living room and maintain decorum suitable for that milieu. Curtis will send interesting and thought provoking material from various sources for discussion. It is hoped that other members of the group will also send information they feel is of importance and generally ignored by the mainstream news media. To subscribe, send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Group Moderator: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Jane 's information
I would not like to see the list become overrun with issues diverging from agricultural biodynamics, but I think it's essential to not lose sight of wider related issues. Best and with great appreciation for the bd list, Essie I concur, Essie.-Allan
Re: GlobalNews Posts/etc
Dear Everyone: I am not a farmer in practice yet, but a gardener, and in my heart a farmer. I am a student of Rudolf Steiners mass works. I am also a mother, and a resident between Heaven and Earth. I appreciate the content from ALL of the postings. It is my understanding from my recent new study of RS - Agriculture that y'all are the Priests of the Future, of which I am sensing that the future RS was referring to is NOW!!! All the attention you put into figuring out how to nurture and care for this divine being is of benefit to all earth's and heavens inhabitants. Please do not stop posting Jane Sherry, it is RELEVANT for the whole picture and you guys/gals are the Knights of the Table Round. Now, help us out, do not censor anything or anyone, listen with your heart perceptivity. Please? okay guys and gals? We each have a specific task to fulfill to sort it out for the whole, at least that is my understanding of karma and destiny. We must, I believe, take into consideration the effect of this war mongering on our Dear Sophia/Earth. How can we just think of only the few acres we each farm or the small city plot I currently reside on, and not know that all that is happening is impacting each and every one of us forever? By us I mean all the Earth and Sky and waters and Air... Peace and Love and Tolerance, Jane
compost tea
At 12:04 PM 2/4/2003 -0500, Merla wrote: This is my year for my own BC 500 AND for 24 hr aerobic compost tea. Exactly in what proportion do you combine them? Allan's post answered your questions very well. Compost tea has been used by BD farmers for a long time and no one bothered to get all technical about feeding the culture. Allan's explanation was very good; we just don't yet know if brewed compost tea is needed. Thanks, Allan, for articulating the issue. Also a post from Ms. Berkley, possibly on the regulation committee on the NOSB standards in the Compost Tea list/serve files states that CT is considered raw manure. I thought that was not being enforced this year. Am I asking this on the wrong list/serve or can someone answer? I don't want to have my OG certification denied. I'm not current in this area, I thought the decision was that if the compost was acceptable (ie. met all the requirements for number of turnings, temperature etc) then you could apply it as you wish. There may be some requirement for a minimum time period between application and harvest. More to the point, why bother with getting certified? I believe small growers are exempted from the certification requirement. What do other folks do? David Robison
Re: Jane Allan - PLEASE START ANOTHER LIST FOR...
I say a hearty AMEN, yes to Doug. Too much bandwidth not BD related. Dan From: "Doug Jay Stewart" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Jane Allan - PLEASE START ANOTHER LIST FOR... Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2003 10:56:45 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] PLEASE start another list for BD + world events. Then invite all those on the current list to subscribe if they wish.
Re: Jane Allan - PLEASE START ANOTHER LIST FOR...
I say a hearty AMEN, yes to Doug. Too much bandwidth not BD related. Dan What's bandwidth? -Allan
York Files:
Try them again. We've made some good changes on the server end. DOn't panic when you hear the dolphins, we're working on that next! Let me know, ok? All of you folks who couldn't get in earlier, please try again now, ok? Thanks -Allan PS Please be patient and let your buffers fill
Re: BD News/Dr.Thomas Cowan/Guelph/Toronto
If you do not have a decent bandwidth - jetstream or even good phone lines - then the audio files will take ages to download. As for me. G - Original Message - From: Allan Balliett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 2:35 PM Subject: Re: BD News/Dr.Thomas Cowan/Guelph/Toronto The man from Garuda said: Bandwidth, bandwidth bandwidth Does this mean something to you? It doesn't mean anything to me. What are you talking about? (I'm asking in earnest) Thanks -Allan
Re: CT=BDcompost,preps+Alaska humus, forest humus kelp
first off, Merla - Are you really applying for organic certification I've been certified organic for as many years as Idaho has had an organic certification process. Anyone on the market here who was serious, joined at the beginning. Just remember how conservative this state is even compared with Virginia. This is the boonies. Even to be certified organic with the state is controversial. This is a way to announce yourself as a serious farmer and not just a hippie gardener. I am way off in left field because I am BD. Most organic people really don't understand the importance of the soil food web. They just don't use herbicide and chemical fertilizer. They use soil amendments still in the same paradigm as conventional ag. This past year I kept my certification even though I wasn't making as much money as the minimum limit. It was purely optional for me and my motivation was to have more clout on the county weed committee. I will admit that it's hard to get off the program when you have so much paper behind you because certification carries status on the Farmers Market. Without having my certified organic sign, I could be conventional for all the public knows. There's all kinds of communications and meetings that are for certified people that I like to attend. My BD work on our own land is separate from the work on the road. I didn't want it to be that way, but Randy, my nemesis, made that necessary when he reported Pfeiffer Field Spray to the state. I can never admit to using BD on the grant, but I can to using CT. Alaska humus is OMRI certified, probably not registered in Idaho, but when I don't write up BD preps on my report when I use them, it is only to protect JPI from any problem. Nobody here knows anything about microorganisms and how the nematodes feed off the bacteria and excrete ammonium. They don't know there are two categories of nematodes besides the root-feeding ones. Realistically, who cares what kind of nematodes are on the road right-of-way? You aren't raising crops there. That was just a way for Randy to defend his conventional paradigm. The concept of working through the microorganisms in the soil is what we need to educate the Commissioners, the county department heads, the local conventional farmers as well as the organic farmers who would be reinforced by understanding the soil food web better, so that we can get the whole county off the herbicide treadmill and into a wholistic land use ethic that has preserving soil, water, air, wildlife and little human children's immune systems as one of its purposes. I'll never be able to share RS's vision of the universe with the dominant religious culture here, but they can be organic and some of these churches already are vegetarian. Is the statement, We are all related. relevant here? We're back to the basic split in BD between the Anthroposophists who have spent their lives following RS's writings strictly and those who feel that if RS were alive, he would want us to innovate and expand the process and share it with the world. I know that I need to read Esoteric Science and the many other books and that I am not educated enough in RS. I'm coming from where I'm coming from. Should I make separate CT plots and BD plots, just spray the whole road with BC, 500 and all the weed peppers surreptitiously or should I put it all together and not mention the fact that there are BD preps in there? I've given up only trying to prove that peppering will work on the road right-of-way as a method of weed control. Now I'm simply trying to get everyone to think about weed control wholistically and I'm trying every strategy I can find until I find what works here including peppering. Urea and 20% vinegar probably injure the food web too much. Do I drop those methods or use them and repopulate with microorganisms? How long does it take to dissipate? This is road right-of-way, not a veggie bed. I am dealing with a forest paradigm not an agricultural paradigm. The road right-of-way was a forest before they scraped all the topsoil off. Our farm was a wild meadow and a forest before we started gardening here with BD preps in 1986 or 7. I don't know what microorganisms are in BD compost. If I made compost preps here, they would probably have mycorrhizal fungi in them. If they are made on a farm on the East Coast, how much fungi and what fungi are in there? Elaine is from the West Coast and stresses that we put forest littler or some other soil amendment that grows fungi in our compost. What's the difference? I need to learn to make my own compost preps. Please anyone give me your take on this. Allan, you've met both Elaine and Will and Vicki now. You seem to be impressed with what Will and Vicki had to say. I have not heard them speak or talked to them. I'll see if I can figure out how to activate the audio software on my computer. Can I install the latest real one thang and be able to hear your tape? Are Will and
soybeans
The topic of soybeans came up on the homesteading group. One gardener says to just pull up the whole bush when the soybeans are ripe. so I wondered if the plants were good to dry for livestock feeds. She didnt' think so, so I thought I'd ask someone who might know on this list. Obviously, they'd be good to work back into the garden, or mulch into the compost pile, but if the soybeans themselves are inedible without cooking, then are the plants also inedible to goats?
Impeachment
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Re: CT- BDpreps+urea
Hi Merla Just a few comments on your letter I can never admit to using BD on the grant, but I can to using CT. Alaska humus is OMRI certified, probably not registered in Idaho, but when I don't write up BD preps on my report when I use them, it is only to protect JPI from any problem. Nobody here knows anything about microorganisms -- The concept of working through the microorganisms in the soil is what we need to educate the Commissioners, the county department heads, the local conventional farmers as well as the organic farmers who would be reinforced by understanding the soil food web better, so that we can get the whole county off the herbicide treadmill and into a wholistic land use ethic that has preserving soil, water, air, wildlife and little human children's immune systems as one of its purposes. So the most important thing would be for you to get a useful result using whatever methods are acceptable to you ? Results will speak the loudest in the end - if the locals see you getting a result with your different approach they will be interested. Most farmers that I ever met KNOW that they use stuff thats toxic, and all but a very few would choose a softer treatment if they knew that it would work as well and cost no more but the farm community is constantly bombarded with information that says these things dont work as well and cost heaps more! Should I make separate CT plots and BD plots, just spray the whole road with BC, 500 and all the weed peppers surreptitiously or should I put it all together and not mention the fact that there are BD preps in there? I would say do option three here - put all your preps and peppers out as often as you can and call it compost tea - its a smokescreen but if you end up with a result worth showing - then you can work on getting the message out about just what you did. BTW if you have difficulty making fully aerobic tea - think about the old style stuff hand stirred in a barrel, this stuff works good too. I've given up only trying to prove that peppering will work on the road right-of-way as a method of weed control. Good ! Just try to prove that your way of doing things is worthwhile Now I'm simply trying to get everyone to think about weed control wholistically and I'm trying every strategy I can find until I find what works here including peppering. Urea and 20% vinegar probably injure the food web too much. If you use urea as a foliar to knock weeds and dont get rain for a while after the application there should not be much gets into the soil. Microbes love urea - in small doses - its a great way of adjusting the carbon to nitrogen ratio in the soil to get good digestion of stubble residues and so to provide the crop with organic nitrogen - TOO MUCH is where the problem is - we then get over feeding by the microbes and they eat into the soil reserve of active humus. Conventional farmers have a problem with surface applied urea dissipating into the atmosphere so they apply it before rain is due to get it to wash into the soil - if you reverse this - apply it to your weeds when the soil surface is a little dry and no rain likely for a few days most of it should gas off and not do harm to your soilfoodweb. If you look around where you have used this a few times in the one place and dont see any soil hardening or loss of structure then you're fine with it. Do I drop those methods or use them and repopulate with microorganisms? How long does it take to dissipate? Not long - if you want a good answer to this ask a conventional crop agronomist - specify the climate conditions temperature etc and it will be about half the time that he tells you, quicker again if you use it as a foliar spray. Takes warmth, a little humidity and some air movement, do you spray it as a foliar or sprinkle the granules around? Hope some of this might help Lloyd Charles
Re: soybeans
I wondered if the plants were good to dry for livestock feeds. She didnt' think so Martha, I know farmers still make "bean hay" in the south, but don't see much up here in Ohio. All for seed... Perry This is from: http://www.agron.iastate.edu/courses/agron212/Readings/Soy_history.htm The earliest mention of soybeans in the U.S. literature was in 1804. The authors mentioned that soybeans appeared to be well adapted to Pennsylvania soil. An 1879 report from the Rutgers Agricultural College in New Jersey is the first reference that soybeans had been tested in a scientific agricultural school in the United States. For many years, most of the references to this crop were by people working in eastern and southeastern United States where it was first popular. Most of the early U.S. soybeans were used as a forage crop rather than harvested for seed. Most of the early introductions planted in these areas were obtained from China, Japan, India, Manchuria, Korea, and Taiwan. For many years, soybean acreage increased very slowly. There were only 1.8 million acres in the United States in 1924 when the first official estimate became available. At that time, most of the crop was used for hay. It was not until the 1920's that soybean acreage expanded to any great quantity in the U.S. Corn Belt. Before World War II, the U.S. imported more than 40% of its edible fats and oils. Disruption of trade routes during the war resulted in a rapid expansion of soybean acreage in the U.S. as the country looked for alternatives to these imports. Soybean was one of only two major new crops introduced into the U.S. in the twentieth century. The other major crop, Canola was initially developed in Canada and grown on some U.S. acres by the end of 2000. Soybean was successful as a new crop because there was an immediate need for soybean oil and meal, its culture was similar to corn, and it benefitted other crops in a rotation.
Re: BD Brain Teasers
Roger: Sorry to have taken so long to reply to this thread, been busy lurking. The story as I have been told is that the preps were numbered by the powers that were, not Steiner and the numbers have no significance other than identification. In fact they have been numbered in the sequence that Steiner spoke of them in Lectures 4 5. Steiner specifically mentioned 502 - 507 as compost preps, The prep numbering started at 500 because up to 499 was allocated to other potions, medicinal ones I think. 508 was mentioned as a tea for rust or similar plant diseases and Steiner suggested they use homeopathic quantities on acreage. 509? would appear to be horn clay to me, as discussed on the list previously Steiner mentioned clay in passing but never went back to explain further. There are a number of other horn remedies used at various times by practitioners that have not been accepted by those who allocate the numbers, if such persons still exist, such as sulphur, copper basalt. Lastly it is my belief that it shouldn't matter where preps are placed in the compost heap, we are after all, seeking to transfer the energies of the preps to the compost as a whole and as they naturally complement each other why should their position matter? David C - Original Message - From: Roger Pye [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 31 January 2003 2:56 PM Subject: BD Brain Teasers 1. Did Steiner really intend BD502-507 to be used solely in compost manufacture? 2. Did he identify equisetum as BD508 or was it someone else? 3. Is there a 'missing' BD509? If so, what might it and its purpose be? * Someone told me once, or I have read it and forgotten where, that the preps are not numbered sequentially but that 502-508 actually fall between 500 and 501. That is, the 'sequence' could be 500, 502, 503, 504, 505, 506, 507, 508, 501. The plant growth cycle is divisible into nine stages - mature seed, cotyledons, buds, leaves, calyx, petals, pistils, fruit, immature seed. There are at least twelve major building blocks of life - eg calcium, magnesium, potassium, sulphur, nitrogen, carbon, hydrogen, phosphorus, silicon, sodium, chlorine, manganese. There are also trace elements and other minerals that life needs - eg copper, mercury, iron, silver, tin, zinc, lead, aluminium. Now if we look at the preps we find that some of these are represented and the plant stages fit conveniently as well. 500 - horn manure - calcium - (balances soil, encourages microbial life) 502 - yarrow - sulphur - copper - (seed) 503 - chamomile - oxygen - mercury - (cotyledons) 504 - nettle - nitrogen - iron - (bud) 505 - oak bark - carbon - silver - (leaves) 506 - dandelion - hydrogen - tin - (calyx) 507 - valerian - phosphorus - lead - (petals) 508 - equisetum - silica - (pistils, stamen) (509) - ?? - ?? - (fruit) 501 - horn silica - light energy - (seed) Given the exactitude of scientists it seems unlikely that Steiner numbered his preparations in the order they 'came off the shelf' but that he had a reason for assigning the numbers as he did. One attribute all the preps have in common is energy. Could it be that in some way he assessed the amount of energy held within each prep, aligned it with the appropriate stage of plant growth, and numbered it accordingly? Back in 1924 the soils of Europe held a natural fertility that isn't there any more. Germany and Austria had been saddled with a reparations bill for world war I which was virtually impossible to pay (no prizes for guessing which country was behind that). Farmers were under pressure to produce more with less, added to which commodity prices were falling and would not recover for at least ten years. Hence the use of artificial fertilisers which were adversely affecting soil fertility. Steiner produced his preparations to counter those effects and take the soil back to its original fertility. How did he do that? Indeed, how did he know what that 'fertility' state was? Let us now enter the realm of fantasy. Let us suppose Steiner had a device which enabled him to measure the amount of 'standing' energy held in things and that at some time pre-superphosphate era he had measured the soil and come up with an amount I shall call X enertrons. In 1924 he remeasured the soil and it had a reading of X minus 100 enertrons. In developing the preps, he conceived that: horn manure would restore the level to X, seed germination required an additional 200en, cotyledrons another 300en buds another 400 leaves another 500 calyx another 600 petals another 700 pistils another 800 fruit another 900 mature seed another 1000 His insights and experience led him to the development of matching preps and initially he numbered them to suit: 100, 200, 300, 400, 500, 600, 700, 800, 900, 1000. However he already had 499 homeopathic remedies. So he kept the capital figures, prefixed them with '50' and
Re: global News posts/Jane
As a subscriber to globalnews I can tell you that Jane is acting as a very selective filter. 20-30 posts a day is not unusual. Lance - Original Message - From: Allan Balliett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 5:21 AM Subject: Re: global News posts/Jane Again, my two cents. What I'd like to see is everyone who is interested to subscribe to Globalnews and NYTimes and whatever and then share their feelings and information as they feel inclined to with the rest of the group. I don't think anyone on the list is really thinking of performing biodynamics separate from the world we live in. I think adding the human commentaries over just forwarding the whole stories will add warmth, an important necessity. Just my thoughts -Allan
Crystaline Structure in Water
Has anyone on the list every done work on the effects of music on plants or water or the water in plants? I know this may not exactly be Steiner inspired but it has peaked my interest because I was just sent a link by my mother-in law that has some absolutely awe inspiring photos of water that have been exposed to various types of music and other forms of stimulus. By showing the affect on the crystallization structure of the water, it clearly demonstrates the effects of intension on physical matter. :// again this site has photographs p.s. Is any one in dryer areas of the planet using flow forms to enliven the water that they do have?
Dalgety
people interested in this project can check out http://www.geocities.com/woodcatau/mypage it's a bit slow loading but i daresay i'll learn how to do it better roger
Names in the news
ran across this in an article in the Washington Post while looking for cow-share information: On the trail of an anonymous complaint, two investigators from the Maryland Division of Milk Control entered a garage attached to the School of Life, a yoga ashram on East West Highway in Bethes da. They purchased a one-gallon container of milk for $4.80. According to Ted Elkin, chief of the division, the label on the milk container identified the contents as: raw milk from Camphill Village Farm in Kimberton, Pa. Subsequently, a State of Maryland laboratory performed tests that confirmed the product had not been pasteurized. In early January, Victor Landa, the spiritual leader and owner of the School of Life, received a certified letter from milk control chief Elkin. Raw milk is unfit as food for humans because of the abundance of health hazards associated with the ingestion of raw milk, Elkin wrote. We put him on notice, Elkin says. We have no choice but to enforce the law with so many food-borne illnesses linked to raw milk. On a recent afternoon, there was raw honey and raw tahini for sale in the student store at the School of Life. There were free-range eggs from a farm in Pennsylvania. There was no raw milk. Everybody has been scared to death by horror stories, says guru Landa, a native of Peru. He opened his yoga school 15 years ago. For four years, he says, he sold 70 gallons of raw milk per week. This [raw milk] is an important, living food in the yoga diet, full of natural antibodies and beneficial vitamins. It's our main source of protein, says Landa. It's ridiculous that we have to go to these lengths to get it. Still, Landa has a plan to put raw milk back on his dining table. He plans to purchase his own cow, or at least, part of one, he says. Cow owners are free to drink raw milk from their own herd.
Re: soybeans
For many years, soybean acreage increased very slowly. There were only 1.8 million acres in the United States in 1924 when the first official estimate became available. At that time, most of the crop was used for hay. It was not until the 1920's that soybean acreage expanded to any great quantity in the U.S. Corn Belt. I understand that oil from soybeans produced in Iowa is being used as "biodiesel fuel" which burns clean in lieu of using diesel fuel. The buses in LA are using it. Does this soybean oil biodiesel burn more clean if biodynamically grown? Mary AnnProtect your PC - Click here for McAfee.com VirusScan Online
Re: Please Read James' Brilliant Post
I concur ... John Buckley - Original Message - From: Roger Pye To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 5:33 PM Subject: Re: Please Read James' Brilliant Post Allan Balliett wrote: I'm reposting this post because it cuts to the heart of the globalnews issue. I think there is some very good advice here and I hope it will be taken to heart. -Allan cut
