Japanese beetles

2003-03-16 Thread Cordelia Lane
Dear Friends,

I was just checking the best ashing times for insects as listed on the BD
Association website and was wondering if anyone knew whether Japanese
beetles would come under the same category as the Colorado potato beetle. I
have a jar full of Japanese beetles awaiting the right moment.

Thanks for any help you may offer.

Cordelia



Fred K on the Future of Agrarianism

2003-03-16 Thread Allan Balliett
from the Leopold Center Home Page:

The Future of Agrarianism:  Where Are We Now?[1]

Frederick Kirschenmann
Director, Leopold Center for Sustainable Agriculture
If the [current] pattern holds, farming as a way of life will
mainly disappear within the next 50 years, large swaths of the
country will be virtually depopulated.
--Jedidiah Purdy
When Wendell Berry was writing his singular work, The Unsettling of
America, from 1974 to1977, the industrialization of agriculture was
already well underway.  The transformation of agriculture into an
industry was enthusiastically endorsed by many agricultural pundits
and experts. In fact, as Wendell tells us in the preface to the
first edition of Unsettling, he was incited to begin taking the
first notes for his book in 1967 when President Lyndon Johnson's
special commission on federal food and fiber policies made its
report. In the view of the commission, a major problem with U.S.
agriculture was that we still had too many farmers on the land. The
technological advances had so reduced the need for farm manpower
that national farm income simply could no longer support as many
farmers.
By 1986, when Wendell wrote the preface to the second edition of
Unsettling, very little had changed. Farmers were still being pushed
off the land at the same rate.  And while some Americans became
concerned when larger commercial farms started going out of
business during the farm crisis of the 1980s, the media and the
majority of agricultural experts continued to insist that the
problem was too many farmers.
A few took exception. By the early 1990s, Calvin Beale at U.S.
Department of Agriculture (USDA) suggested that the continuing
decline of farm populations throughout the decades of the 1950s
through the 1980s had put us in a free fall situation, and called
it a trauma.[2] The decline in farm population could no longer be
seen as an aberration, or a correction to an otherwise healthy
system.
Beale further pointed out that the rate of decline in farm population
had not changed appreciably during the entire four-decade period from
1950 to 1990.  The rate of decline in the 1950s was 3.8 percent; in
the 1960s, 4.6 percent; in the1970s, 3.1 percent; and in the 1980s,
2.7 percent.  It is revealing that the rate of decline in the boom
years of the 1970s was slightly higher than it was in the crisis
years of the 1980s---evidence that decline in farm population is not
strictly linked to market and price fluctuations.  In other words,
the decline in farm population is systemic; it is endemic to the
industrialization process.  As a result, the total number of farms
has declined from 6.5 million in 1935 to 2.05 million in 1997, and
most of this huge decline took place among family-type farms.[3]  It
occurred among farms where a family makes all the important operating
and investment decisions, owns a significantportion of the assets,
and supplies most of the farm's labor---the very farms that are at
the heart of the agrarian ideal.
It is also instructive to recognize that while farmers always have
been reluctant to adopt industrialization, in the end they have
always complied.  Frederick Buttel pointed out that farmers have been
aware of the treadmill that industrialization inevitably puts them
on, but economic forces ultimately force them into compliance.[4]
Consequently, one can only agree with Wendell's remark in the preface
to his 1986 edition that every problem that he had identified in the
earlier edition had grown worse since the book was written.
Toward a Bifurcated Food and Farming System

So where are we now?  Well, I wish I could say that things have
gotten better---but for the most part they have continued to
deteriorate.  Not only have farm numbers continued to decline (with
the exception of the very small farms), but we are now faced with
major structural changes that threaten to dramatically alter the
landscape of rural America.  Here is what we are seeing.
We are moving rapidly into a bifurcated food and farming system.  At
one end of the scale are a decreasing number of increasingly large
farms that produce a single, undifferentiated bulk commodity, for a
consolidated firm, most often under a contract written to accommodate
the business interests of the firm.  According to the most recent
(1997) USDA statistics, 61 percent of our total national agricultural
product is now being produced by just 163,000 farms, and 63 percent
of that production is tied to a market or input firm by means of a
contractual relationship.
Direct-market farms occupy the other end of the spectrum. These
farmers sell their products directly to food customers through
various marketing arrangements---farmers markets, community
supported agriculture arrangements (CSAs), direct sales
off-the-farm, home deliveries, and various Internet networks that
directly link producers and consumers. This is a rapidly growing
sector of the food industry, but it remains a tiny portion of 

Re: Vitality and fertility ofsoils

2003-03-16 Thread Rambler Flowers LTD

- Original Message -
From: James Hedley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
. Vitality of the soil seems to not get coverage on
 BDnow.
 Maybe one of the reasons is that until I started to research this concept
I
 had never heard of vitality as being measurable parameter of soil. I write
 this in the hope that some of you who have experience of Reams techniques
 may be able to enlighten me, or head me in the direction of further areas
of
 study of his methods.


I James I have enjoyed studding  and putting into practice the Reams  method
of testing soils,composts, liquid  sprays, weeds and plant on a weekly basis
to be able to grow plants with out weed ,pests and disease. Reams  talks
about energy within the above and how to get it in balance that will enhance
optimum plant growth. I feel with in myself that there is a link between
energy and vitality.
 As I am not a particularly good at writing about these things I have posted
below  information that I have collected about this  subject .This coming
winter I  hope to study  some of Carey Reams books. A friend is going to
lend them to me as they are out of print


Philip Wheeler's book The  Non-Toxic Farming  Handbook is the best book I
have read .
Other books are
Science In Agriculture, Dr Arden BE Andersen
Mainline Farming for the 21st Century, Dr Dan Skow
All found at the Acres USA site
http://www.acresusa.com
 Each of these author have a different slant on the subject.

A VISIT to this web site will give you a very good  edited background to
working with the Albrecht Model. http://www.healthyag.com/index2.html
I will soon be purchasing Mr Jones books his work as been recommended to me
by  Cheryl  .His work is very user friendly.
 99

The Brix man  Rex Harrill
www.brixpage.com
www.crossroads.ws/brixbook/BBook.htm (Rex Harrill's booklet)



Pike Labs  Good background material here
 http://www.pikeagri.com/tissuetest.html


The Meter Man - David von Pein
http://www.themeterman.com.au

This guy can talk for hours on the subject . He recons  soil can be turned
around in about 3years
I found him very helpful.

 James  I do have a number of emails from this list on the subject if you
are interested I could send them  offline

I hope this is of  assistance
Best Regards
Tony Robinson
 New Zealand Down Under




Re: Vitality and fertility ofsoils

2003-03-16 Thread Rambler Flowers LTD

- Original Message -
From: James Hedley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
claim that food is better if
 grown biodynamically. I love my plants and take great delight in growing
 plants that have a look of vitality about them.  Although they may appear
to
 be very vital plants, each year the seed loses some of it's vitality.

 My problem then became how do I increase vitality,

 James  Some time ago when Peter Bacchus and I were working together in the
fields we had a great discussion on plant breeding  and the use of BD preps
to effect this .
What comes to mind ,as no notes were taken we were grubbing weeds, was that
we talked about the use of different preps to aid in cross breeding  to
improve colour, quality,  vigour etc.
Maybe Peter may be able to help you in this area. Just a thought that came
to mind as I grubbed another lot of weeds.
Regards Tony.



Re: Help

2003-03-16 Thread Rambler Flowers LTD

- Original Message -
From: Allan Balliett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2003 1:23 AM
Subject: Re: Help


 What sort of experiences have you (anyone) had with using 501 in a
 greenhouse? I think that Grotzke advised that it is too strong for
 use in a greenhouse. (?) For this reason, I have held off using it.
 First outbreak of aphids makes me think of using it. I think heinz
 mentioned a residual and a generalized effect that henceforth makes
 the house uncomfortable for seedlings.


 But, what is you life experience?

 Thanks

 -Allan

 Hi  I have been using 501 and Potentised 501  under 30,000 sq feet of
plastic houses for 10 years and havn't had any problems . In fact growing
under cover I feel that you should be using it more often particularly when
light levels are low and plant growth is soft.
Cheers Tony R



Re: Vitality and fertility ofsoils

2003-03-16 Thread Lloyd Charles


Hi James and Tony
James wrote (a while back)
   I love my plants and take great delight in growing
  plants that have a look of vitality about them.  Although they may
appear
  to be very vital plants, each year the seed loses some of it's vitality.

Then Tony
James  Some time ago when Peter Bacchus and I were working together in the
 fields we had a great discussion on plant breeding  and the use of BD
preps
 to effect this .
 What comes to mind ,as no notes were taken we were grubbing weeds, was
that
 we talked about the use of different preps to aid in cross breeding  to
 improve colour, quality,  vigour etc.

We started out about eight years ago using a compounded (hot mix) trace
element seed dressing - immediate visible increase in seedling vigour and
for pennies an acre we got eight to sixteen % measured grain yield increase
from that one small input, we have since moved on from that material (we
hope) to using a remineralising fertility program and seed dressings and
foliars based on natural materials like fish, kelp etc. The vitality of our
seed wheat increases steadily with each generation and I believe the key to
it is availability and uptake of trace minerals. What method we use to
achieve this is of minor importance. For the conventional farmer down the
road a cutback in toxic inputs and use of the seed dressing product we used
initially is probably best bet, a BD farmer has a philosophic need to look
to some other method, so catalysing rock dust input with the preps becomes
the way for some. Whatever it takes to get those trace minerals into the
plant and concentrated in the fruit or seed is whats needed. I believe thats
a major factor in what we are calling 'vitality'
Cheers
Lloyd Charles
ps for all
I think on our farm we are starting out from a much lower base of vitality
than what James would have so its easier to make progress .




[no subject]

2003-03-16 Thread Eric Myren
Saskatchewan Organic Directorate
Box 310
Rockglen, SK S0H 3R0
Phone: 306-476-2089
Fax: 306-476-2146
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Website: www.saskorganic.com
February 28, 2003
Adrian C Measner
President and Chief Executive Officer
Canadian Wheat Board
423 Main Street
P.O. Box 816, Stn. Main
Winnipeg, Manitoba R3C 2P5
Dear Mr. Measner,
In response to your letter of February 5, 2003, the Saskatchewan Organic Directorate (SOD) does not support any initiative that
will compromise the future ability of farmers to grow non-GMO wheat and that will compromise the ability for people to choose
food that is not genetically engineered.
In your letter you ask for support for the document which outlines the conditions necessary to pave the way for the introduction of
GM1 wheat. The document, Conditions for the Introduction of Genetically Modified Wheat'2, was developed by the Canadian
Wheat Board (CWB) along with representatives from the Canadian Seed Growers Association, the Western Canadian Wheat
Growers Association, the Canadian Federation of Agriculture, the Western Elevator Association, the Inland Terminal Association,
the Canadian National Millers Association, the Canadian Grain Commission, Agriculture and Agri-Food Canada, the Canadian
Food Inspection Agency, Monsanto Canada, and a Farmer at Large.
This group known as the Canadian Grain Industry Working Group on GM Wheat, does not represent the full spectrum of views
held by farmers, and certainly not consumers of wheat products. Consumers after all, should be the final arbiters of any direction
the food producing sector takes in regards to the introduction of GM wheat.
The Saskatchewan Organic Directorate does not support the thrust of this document which we believe is fundamentally flawed in
many of it's assumptions. As one example, it is faulty logic to say that the ability to meet requirements for non-GM wheat markets
would depend in part on the establishment of an achievable tolerance level for GM wheat in non-GM wheat shipments. It is
implied in this wily language that we must be prepared to accept some level of GM contamination. Presently Saskatchewan
farmers are able to achieve a zero GM contamination level to supply our market. We in the SOD believe it is our right to continue
to have that ability. Customers of organic wheat do not want their wheat contaminated by genetically modified varieties... period.
Furthermore, SOD believes that anyone who contaminates the food system at whatever level, with GM crops, and compromises
our ability to serve that market; that they be held liable.
The Saskatchewan Organic Directorate believes there are no conditions under which GM wheat can be
introduced, that will adequately protect the needs of customers of non-GM wheat. The segregation system
alluded to in the document Conditions for the Introduction of Genetically Modified Wheat would be a morass of very expensive
regulations that will be impossible to implement, and ultimately will fail. The result would be widespread GM contamination of the
food system, and probably an end to the ability to farm organically. The stark fact of this threat to organic agriculture clearly shows
the falsehood of the assumption in this document that there is some kind of cost/benefit analysis that would apply to all farmers.
Your letter asks for confirmation from the Saskatchewan Organic Directorate that it believes the conditions developed in the
document 'Condition for the Introduction of GM Wheat' are necessary and sufficient to protect the interests of farmers and
customers. Furthermore you state that these conditions outlined in the document should be incorporated formally into the
regulatory process.
1 GM or genetically modified means living products derived from transgenic/recombinant DNA technologies
2 Conditions for the Introduction of Genetically Modified Wheat document on CWB website: www.cwb.ca
In response, the Saskatchewan Organic Directorate states that adding the flawed principles of this document to an already flawed
government regulatory system will not address the concerns and interests of organic farmers, nor those of our customers, about the
introduction of GM wheat.
Therefore the Saskatchewan Organic Directorate will not endorse the enclosed draft sign on letter to the Minister of Agriculture
Lyle Vanclief, asking for regulatory change which incorporates the conditions contained in the document Conditions for the
Introduction of Genetically Modified Wheat and more particularly the proposed regulatory market impact test as outlined in the
supplementary document Market Impact and the Potential Introduction of Genetically Modified Wheat.
Although the proposed regulatory market impact test goes part way to addressing legitimate concerns, the suggestion that this
additional criteria need not alter the current safety approval criteria nor the criteria currently assessed by registration
recommending committees. is unacceptable based on our determination of the fundamental 

Monsanto's Wheat

2003-03-16 Thread Eric Myren
The  post I sent about the Saskatchewan Organic directorate was meant 
as information, I came across while on the net. about Monsanto's GM 
Wheat and what one group of farmers are in Canada is doing about the 
problem. Saskatchewan is a huge province, the main crop is wheat and 
many consider it to be the bread basket of the world. These people are 
at the forefront of the fight.

do what you can locally this must be stopped
I know I sound like a fanatic
Peace
Eric 



OT: fwd ; Archetypal view of the conflict

2003-03-16 Thread manfred




-
Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 6:50 PM
Subject: FW: Is the United States Government Suffering from 
Archetypal Possession?


  
  
  
  Forwarded by a friend, this looks at the 
  Bush/US/Iraq scenario from an archetypal standpoint. - 
  Jeffrey-An 
  archetypal analysis of how the country came to stand at the brink of 
  war.By Carol S. PearsonIf I was frightened of my neighbor 
  because he had guns and I knew he did not like me, I could not simply declare 
  the need for a preemptive strike and kill him. If I had actual grounds -- say, 
  he had threatened me -- I could go to the police and seek protection or go to 
  court and try to get a restraining order. In either case, I could not say: 
  "Help me or I'll kill him."If I actually did kill him -- however 
  fearful I was that he might someday kill me -- I would be the one treated as a 
  criminal. It is likely that I would be convicted and sent to jail or 
  executed.Why?No law on earth -- for individuals or nations -- 
  allows you to kill people because they have weapons and do not like you. 
  Self-defense requires imminent danger.How does the above example 
  differ from President Bush's doctrine of a preemptive strike? How is it 
  different from his going to the United Nations and saying that if it does not 
  act, we will attack Iraq by ourselves?If we should have learned 
  anything from inventing and then dropping nuclear bombs, it is that whatever 
  we do, others will want to do, too. One might even think of this as a kind of 
  karma--what you put out comes back at you.It is fairly obvious that 
  once some countries have weapons of mass destruction, other countries will 
  want them, including those run by ruthless dictators. They want them for the 
  same reasons we do.So, if the U.S. decides that it can strike 
  preemptively, then every other country can--and in some cases will--as well. 
  Many countries have good reason to believe that we do not like them. Indeed, 
  our president has even publicly named countries he regards as evil. In 
  addition, he has treated our allies and the United Nations with disdain. It 
  seems to me that it is only the fact of our military might that allows the 
  president to presume to bully the world.Won't other countries seek to 
  arm to the teeth if they think that at any time we might attack them? It often 
  happens that the bully who kicks sand in the other boys' faces gets beat up 
  when they band together against him.Figuring this out is not rocket 
  science. The logic that all this inevitably will come back to haunt us seems 
  to me obvious enough--and it seems to be obvious to most of the rest of the 
  world, too.What is happening here?Reductive Thinking and 
  Archetypal 
  PossessionArchetypes 
  can possess people -- and whole nations, as well. When this happens, 
  individuals and nations stop thinking straight and just live out the plot of 
  that archetype's story. Given enough fear, the Warrior archetype can possess 
  almost anyone. And when it does, the whole Warrior way of thinking kicks in. 
  We have been hearing it from President Bush.It goes like this: We are 
  the good guys. They are the bad guys. When we defeat them, the world will be a 
  better place and we will be Heroes.This makes for a good cowboy movie, 
  but it is lousy foreign policy.Sam Keene, in Faces of the Enemy, shows 
  how normally reasonable, caring people, if they are frightened enough, will be 
  willing to go to war whether or not it makes sense to do so. Part of whipping 
  them up to kill is to present "the enemy" as less than human, avoiding any 
  empathy with how the other side sees the situation.For a brief time 
  after 9/11, we had the opportunity to move into a more complex understanding 
  of the world and our own role in it. While grappling with incredible grief and 
  determining how to care for the families of those who died, the U.S. appeared 
  to be open to learning from the event--even trying to understand why many 
  people around the world hate us.However, in his public statements and 
  speeches in the aftermath of 9/11, Bush told an archetypal story that shut 
  that sort of thinking down. He explained the situation simply, giving only two 
  reasons that others might attack us militarily or philosophically: Either our 
  detractors hate freedom or they are evil. And he demanded that the rest of the 
  world choose sides. Other nations were to be with us (and thus good) or 
  against us (and thus evil).Unfortunately, for many Americans, thinking 
  stopped there. The fact that most people accepted this archetypal and 
  reductive story is not surprising. People look to their leaders for guidance, 
  especially when they are frightened. Thinking in a more complex way about the 
  world, moreover, feels much more vulnerable than retreating to the comfort of 
  a 

GAIA

2003-03-16 Thread Spiritual Renaissance Center
Does anyone have thoughts on the Gaia Hypothesis?

Thanks.

Timothy H.

In the 1970s the British scientist James Lovelock formulated the Gaia
hypothesis, which has attracted many followers. According to this
theory, named after the Greek goddess of the earth, the planet behaves
like a single living organism. Lovelock postulated that the earth, like
many organisms, can regulate its temperature, dispose of its wastes, and
fight off disease. Although the Gaia hypothesis serves as a convenient
metaphor for the interconnections among living beings, it does not have
any particular scientific merit.



Re: fwd ; Archetypal view of the conflict

2003-03-16 Thread hbdragon



S, If you have not yet seen this, and have 
sufficient time, do
read as it is an excellent andeloquent view of our 
situation.

hbdragon

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  manfred 

  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 10:42 
  AM
  Subject: OT: fwd ; Archetypal view of the 
  conflict
  
  
  - 
  Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 6:50 PM
  Subject: FW: Is the United States Government Suffering from 
  Archetypal Possession?
  
  



Forwarded by a friend, this looks at the 
Bush/US/Iraq scenario from an archetypal standpoint. - 
Jeffrey-An 
archetypal analysis of how the country came to stand at the brink of 
war.By Carol S. PearsonIf I was frightened of my 
neighbor because he had guns and I knew he did not like me, I could not 
simply declare the need for a preemptive strike and kill him. If I had 
actual grounds -- say, he had threatened me -- I could go to the police and 
seek protection or go to court and try to get a restraining order. In either 
case, I could not say: "Help me or I'll kill him."If I actually did 
kill him -- however fearful I was that he might someday kill me -- I would 
be the one treated as a criminal. It is likely that I would be convicted and 
sent to jail or executed.Why?No law on earth -- for 
individuals or nations -- allows you to kill people because they have 
weapons and do not like you. Self-defense requires imminent 
danger.How does the above example differ from President Bush's 
doctrine of a preemptive strike? How is it different from his going to the 
United Nations and saying that if it does not act, we will attack Iraq by 
ourselves?If we should have learned anything from inventing and then 
dropping nuclear bombs, it is that whatever we do, others will want to do, 
too. One might even think of this as a kind of karma--what you put out comes 
back at you.It is fairly obvious that once some countries have 
weapons of mass destruction, other countries will want them, including those 
run by ruthless dictators. They want them for the same reasons we 
do.So, if the U.S. decides that it can strike preemptively, then 
every other country can--and in some cases will--as well. Many countries 
have good reason to believe that we do not like them. Indeed, our president 
has even publicly named countries he regards as evil. In addition, he has 
treated our allies and the United Nations with disdain. It seems to me that 
it is only the fact of our military might that allows the president to 
presume to bully the world.Won't other countries seek to arm to the 
teeth if they think that at any time we might attack them? It often happens 
that the bully who kicks sand in the other boys' faces gets beat up when 
they band together against him.Figuring this out is not rocket 
science. The logic that all this inevitably will come back to haunt us seems 
to me obvious enough--and it seems to be obvious to most of the rest of the 
world, too.What is happening here?Reductive Thinking and 
Archetypal 
PossessionArchetypes 
can possess people -- and whole nations, as well. When this happens, 
individuals and nations stop thinking straight and just live out the plot of 
that archetype's story. Given enough fear, the Warrior archetype can possess 
almost anyone. And when it does, the whole Warrior way of thinking kicks in. 
We have been hearing it from President Bush.It goes like this: We 
are the good guys. They are the bad guys. When we defeat them, the world 
will be a better place and we will be Heroes.This makes for a good 
cowboy movie, but it is lousy foreign policy.Sam Keene, in Faces of 
the Enemy, shows how normally reasonable, caring people, if they are 
frightened enough, will be willing to go to war whether or not it makes 
sense to do so. Part of whipping them up to kill is to present "the enemy" 
as less than human, avoiding any empathy with how the other side sees the 
situation.For a brief time after 9/11, we had the opportunity to 
move into a more complex understanding of the world and our own role in it. 
While grappling with incredible grief and determining how to care for the 
families of those who died, the U.S. appeared to be open to learning from 
the event--even trying to understand why many people around the world hate 
us.However, in his public statements and speeches in the aftermath 
of 9/11, Bush told an archetypal story that shut that sort of thinking down. 
He explained the situation simply, giving only two reasons that others might 
attack us militarily or philosophically: Either our detractors hate freedom 
or they are evil. And he demanded that the rest of the world